A Small Hope: Co-creating a Narrative of Grief – Part II

Bringing Memories to Life

“I want to remember the precious times we had together in those last weeks but already they are fading and I am forgetting,” Claudia said with resignation. It was now a month after Tom had died and the conversation had just shifted from the challenges of getting through each day.

“Is gathering up memories of the precious times something that you might like to do in this conversation?” I checked.

“Yes, those last four weeks,” Claudia said through tears. “From when we were told in the hospital Tom was dying and decided to come home. In the hospital, I asked one of the nurses, ‘How long does he have?’ and she replied, ‘Maybe a week.’ As you know, however, he lived for four weeks… Tom didn’t ask how long he had to live but I wanted to know.”

“Would it be OK to ask… what was important to you that you asked for the nurse’s guess as to how long he had to live?” I added the word “guess” as no one ever definitely knows and that uncertainty is often unfamiliar to people.

Claudia’s voice broke, “I just wanted to know how long I had with him. I think I was just trying to get a clear view of the future.”

“Did you have any hopes for what a clear view might provide you and Tom?”

“I was thinking this is valuable time. It clarified that we wanted him to come home,” Claudia affirmed.

“In this decision to go home, what kind of valuable time were you and Tom hoping for?” (22)

“It meant he could see the changes in the girls. They are so young they change rapidly, especially Libby who develops in small ways every week. I knew that visiting in hospital is just not the same. Everything is different, distorted and not in their natural state,” she explained. Visions of hospital rooms with their lack of privacy and noisy nights floated through my mind. I tried to imagine visiting such an unfamiliar environment frequently with a baby and young child.

“What does it say about Tom’s relationship with Imogen and Libby that he prioritised noticing small changes in them even when he was dying?”

Claudia smiled. “He treasured and valued every little thing about them. He’s been quite good at appreciating small things for a very long time,” she answered, speaking of Tom in the present.

“Could you tell me a story of Tom appreciating Libby and the small changes in her perhaps? And then Imogen and what he enjoyed about her?” I was aware that I was collecting memories, not only for Claudia, but for her girls as well. Together we would build a document of memories she could keep. (23)

After Claudia had shared some stories, I became aware we had diverged from what she had originally said she wanted to discuss. “I notice we have moved away from speaking about the four weeks you said you wanted to focus on. Would you like to continue on this track or would you like to spend some time talking about the last weeks of Tom’s life? What would you like to do at this point?” (24)

“The last four weeks. It’s fading so fast. I’ve even forgotten subtleties that were routine to me, like giving him his morning wash, and that was something I treasured doing,” Claudia stated. I was glad I had checked. I didn’t want the conversation to end without it having been what she wished.

“Would asking you about treasuring his wash be a good place to begin?” Claudia nodded and sat back on the sofa. “Would you like to walk me through how you went about giving him his wash?”

Claudia began to recall previously unspoken details of the daily routine with me, inquiring into their meaning. Towards the end of collecting as many details as I could I asked, “When you were washing him, was there a particular way you touched him?”

“Yes. When he was moving less, I would give him a little massage, or I’d move his legs around. I could tell he liked it. After his massage, we’d put frankincense on his palms and the soles of his feet and he’d go, ‘Oh, Frank!’ and wiggle his fingers making a joke!” Claudia laughed.

“Did he keep his sense of humour even…”

Claudia’s words tumbled out in her enthusiasm. “Always, right up until that last night. A carer came for the night to help. When she saw Tom she said, ‘Still unresponsive,’ so he wriggled his eyebrows at me. It was our little joke! Frequently through the day I would wash his face and I’d say, ‘Would you like a cool flannel or a hot flannel to wash your face?”

“When you were giving him that choice… what was your intention?”

“He had very little control over his life. He deserved respect,” Claudia explained.

“What did you want him to know by giving him that choice and respect…and control?” In tender tones Claudia answered, “He was still just as valuable. Even though he couldn’t move or see much, he was still my Tom, he was still the same to me.” Moved by her love and respect I responded, “May I ask, what would have Tom noticed that would have told him it was you washing him rather than someone else and that he was still the same to you?”

“He would have felt my love in the way I washed him. I was given a choice of washing him or having a carer do it. There was no way I was going to let someone else do such a personal, private thing for him,” Claudia stated, flicking her hair behind her. (25)

“What were you valuing, do you think, when you prioritised this loving moment with him and protecting his privacy even as you were parenting two small children and doing everything else that was required of you?” I reflected on the exhaustion that comes with parenting very young children. Such a choice was not right for everyone. Claudia lowered her voice, leaning towards me as she spoke, “I wanted to protect his dignity and have that intimate time with him.”

“May I ask, what did you experience as meaningful in the relationship when you managed to get that time together and share love and intimacy?”

“It felt like this was why we had him at home. It meant I was the one changing his nappy… And I did feel proud and honoured that I could do that for him. It’s not something a wife normally does for a partner, but I guess it was a new intimate thing we could do where there were precious few of those new things.”

Struck by her ability to generate such a deeply loving experience in something so far from what couples ordinarily do together, I responded, “What does it say about you that you felt proud and honoured to do that care for Tom … that you could find intimacy in changing his nappy for him rather than seeing it as a chore?” (26)

Thoughtfully Claudia answered, “I think I understood what he needed. I understood the best way to do that for him.”

“What was it that you understood about Tom in those last weeks that was important to you both?” Claudia pondered. “We were able to slow things down a bit.”

“How did you do this slowing?” I wondered. Claudia spoke slowly as she considered, “Just focusing on little things. I’d go and get him milkshakes and I’d say, ‘So what flavour milkshake do you want today and where do you want me to get it from?’ It was treasuring very small decisions. I got great pleasure from him eating or drinking something and he got to make decisions and think about that milkshake and what he wanted. Life zoomed in and focused on those nice moments.”

“What did you know, Claudia, perhaps about living with such a serious illness, or about Tom, that had you recognising that making a decision about the flavour of a milkshake was worth treasuring?” I couldn’t help but notice her extraordinary sensitivity to Tom’s experience and I hoped that my questions might draw Claudia’s attention to her wise and gentle care.    

Claudia laughed. “Tom knew his own mind. I would never make that decision for him, particularly around food,” she said, reminding me that Tom was a skillful and passionate cook. “Choices in his life were dwindling. He didn’t have a lot of control.” She dropped her head for a moment, reflecting. Tears glistened in Claudia’s eyes as another thought occurred to her. “Tom knew how much it would hurt me when he went.” The tears gathered and a sob escaped but she went on speaking. “He didn’t want to go but most of all he was worried about me…” Claudia started to cry unreservedly. Her face reddened as more of her body joined the experience of grief. Rather than a break in the conversation, it was as if these tears spoke what words couldn’t as we reflected on Tom’s love for her even as he was dying. (27)

Quietly, I eventually asked her, “What were these worries Tom held for you?”

Claudia was barely able to speak yet she persevered, wanting to express what the emotion meant in words. “He just knew how hard it was going to be… he cared enormously about me being alone.”

We were quiet for a time as Claudia continued to weep.

“He was sad for himself and the girls, but he was really sad for me,” she eventually explained.

I thought about Tom worrying about Claudia even as he lay in bed so sick. “What does Tom’s compassion mean to you? …. that he couldn’t bear to think of you being on your own…that he cared so much about what might happen to you…?”

“It was a demonstration of how much he loved me,” Claudia choked out. “I usually cried,” she explained, smiling at herself through the tears. “I felt guilty every time I cried and got comfort from him but he’s the person I turned to when things were wrong. He said comforting me was something he could do.” She stared at me with her eyes wide waiting for my response.

“Do you have a sense of what it was to Tom that you chose him to seek support from?”

Claudia exhaled, “I think he was thinking about the time when he wouldn’t be able to support me, and he was doing what he could.”

“How would Tom have understood the way you saw him when you sought comfort from him?”

Claudia considered, speaking what seemed like newly formed thoughts. “He was my best friend, and we were there for each other. It didn’t change when he was sick. I think it was hard but very important for him. It allowed him to show support for me, I guess. He saw it as something he could do for me when he could do so little, when I was doing so much for him. I didn’t feel the need to protect him.”

“What do you know about Tom that you knew you didn’t need to protect him?”

“He was strong. He said he wasn’t scared of dying.” Claudia let out a big, long sigh collapsing in on herself in seeming resignation.

“Would it be OK to ask you one more question about the way you shared your grief together?” Claudia nodded.

“What did you know about the relationship that told you that talking would be best for it?” I wanted to bring forward Claudia’s knowledge of their particular relationship because I knew that this kind of talking wasn’t best for everyone.

“It’s what we’ve always done,” she readily replied.

Our time was coming to an end. After I summarised what we had been discussing, I checked with Claudia, “How has our conversation gone today? Has the experience of reflecting on the last four weeks connected you with anything that is helpful or important to you?” (28)

“I think it’s highlighted how we did it according to our values. That’s incredibly important to me. It eases the pain just a little to know that,” Claudia responded.

“How might you carry that knowledge do you think? That you did it according to your values?”

“I guess by carrying on doing that with the girls,” she replied thoughtfully.

“Perhaps we might come back to that next time if it interests you…. but could I ask you something else? As you reflect on the last weeks of Tom’s life, was there anything that happened that moved you a little closer to being the person you want to be?”

With some energy and perhaps surprise in her voice, Claudia answered, “Now that I talk about it, lots of things. Doing it our way and speaking up to make that happen. The way I was able to show him how much I love him through what I did. It was so hard, but I was there to support him die the way he wanted to do it. I hadn’t really thought about it before.”

Turning Towards Pain

Claudia and I met each week until I was scheduled to be away on leave. (29) Before I left, we planned who Claudia might turn to in difficult times for support and what she might do. Not long after I returned, we were once again sitting in her home. After greeting each other warmly, Claudia brought her cup of tea into the living room, and we sat down.

“We had a fortnight gap this time, how did that go?” I inquired.

Claudia let a rush of air out. “My sister said, ‘Have you seen your counsellor this week?’ And I said, ‘No we couldn’t make it. Sasha was away.” And she said, “I always know when you haven’t seen her.” I thought I’d be fine, but I’ve had a really awful fortnight.”

“What is it that you do differently in the week when you’ve had a chance to talk?” I inquired, but I was off track. (30)

“I was thinking about what it was that changed. You know how I was feeling numb? Well, I’m raw now. I can’t seem to stop crying…” Claudia’s voice broke, and she could no longer speak. The pain gathered and eventually she sobbed, “It’s all the time… just crying all the time. I’m right back to raw and where is he? And how can this be happening?”

I listened, feeling the echoes of her pain. (31)

Claudia bowed her head and tightly wound her arms around her body. It was as if she was holding herself together. “I’m right back there… and that lovely numbness… that I was feeling has just gone,” she stuttered through the sobs. “It’s horrible… just that relentlessness… And I went to see a clairvoyant and she was just ghastly. I think that tipped me over the edge a bit. I realised I had a lot of hope riding on it.” She looked up at me with wet eyes.

My voice was soft. “May I ask …what were your hopes in seeing the clairvoyant?” I wasn’t surprised Claudia had visited a clairvoyant. Many people search for connection with someone who has died through spiritual understandings they hold.

“I didn’t realise until afterwards that I was hoping that it would be for real. I would have got a feeling of peace knowing that he is somewhere and can be with us. I didn’t get that at all. I just felt duped. I was already feeling quite low but hopeful, I realised afterwards.”

“Would it be okay if I ask a bit more about these hopes?” Claudia nodded as she blew her nose. “Would you mind speaking a little about what you were hoping for?”

“That he’s somewhere…And he’s not just puff gone. That he is somewhere and sometimes, somehow, he is around…that’s what I really want to believe…I need a message to say, ‘I’m OK, I can never see you again but I’m OK…and I know you are OK.” It is one of the hardest things I think, the not knowing.” I reflected on how much not knowing there could be surrounding illness and death.

Claudia’s anguish layered her words as she again tightly encased herself with her arms. “I’m stuck in this awful hole…I don’t know how to go on. I just don’t know how to hold on. I feel like I’m clinging on to a ledge. I have to but I don’t know how to keep going and going and going…” (32) I tried to imagine the relentlessness of continuing on. Her words created a vivid picture of the ledge. I made sounds of empathy as I listened, a witness to her pain and sorrow. “How important was knowing where Tom is in this holding on?” (33)

“Very important,” she cried.

“Yeah… yeah…,” I replied, almost crooning in my compassion for her. “What would it have given you in the holding on?”

Claudia cried, hiccupping as she answered, “Some sort of peace that he’s OK…that he’s with us…and that I might see him again…It’s so hard. It’s not like breaking up with someone and you know they’re OK. Somewhere they’re alive…”

“Completely different,” I affirmed.

Claudia voice was husky, “I just can’t get my head around it. It’s the absolute worst that could happen to me…I’m really struggling…” Her tears took over and we paused, neither of us hurrying or censoring her expressions of grief. “…and I’m sure having less help this week is making a difference. The family have been away. I’ve actually been feeling OK with my parenting.”

My ears pricked up. “Yeah…?” We had talked a lot about the impact of grief on her parenting as Imogen and Libby were Claudia’s top priority. However, I didn’t want to move Claudia away from her talk of the struggle sooner than she wanted so I resisted asking a question and kept my query very small.

“We’ve found a routine and I’m not shouting. I’m not feeling desperate about those times,” Claudia told me with an energy that conveyed to me she might have a possible interest in speaking further about her parenting.

“Is this something you would be interested in talking about?” When Claudia indicated, she would like to follow this direction I continued, “What’s allowed you to be OK with your parenting especially when there is so much struggle?”

“I think routine has helped. It’s soothing. And I’ve got really, really good at filling in the time now. Those girls are bloody tired by the end of the day because I’ve worn them out. Like last Sunday, we went to the markets and met a friend for breakfast, then we went to a school children’s art exhibition which was a couple of hours and then we went out west to see another friend. We got home at 6 P.M.” Claudia sighed, sounding exhausted even by the thought of what she had just relayed to me.

While being so busy was not Claudia’s preferred way of parenting prior to Tom’s death, this was a survival strategy she was using. “I’m really tired but that’s how I cope. Just fill in every hour possible. It’s not because I don’t want to think because I like to think about him. It’s just the only way I can cope with the kids. It’s helped.”

I returned to the aspect of parenting Claudia was feeling good about and, remembering Tom’s belief in Claudia’s parenting, decided to bring him into the conversation. (34) “And what would Tom make of you doing your parenting in a way that you felt good about? Finding a routine and being more how you want to be with the girls. What would he be thinking about that?”

“He’d be saying, ‘I knew you could. I’m proud of you.’”

We both smiled. With a lighter voice I asked, “What might Tom have known about you that allowed him to know you could do it?”

“That I put them first…,” she replied as tears trickled down her face. “…That I’ll always look after them…” Intensity and what sounded like determination entered her tones of sadness “…and I’ll hold onto that ledge for them…hard as it is…”

“Is Tom under your feet helping to hold you up a bit too?” I asked, wanting to add his support if it was there.

“I don’t know…I hope so…He would if he could…if he can he will…I forgot about the rawness. It’s so horrible.” I nodded.

“It’s only three months since he died,” Claudia told me with emphasis.

“No time at all and yet perhaps a long time too. How would you describe it?” I reflected, slowly waiting for what else she might be about to share. Claudia replied, crying as if her heart would break, “No time and yet forever. It’s part of why I hurt so much. How’s three years going to feel since I saw him? And thirty years? I feel like I’m only living for my girls…to give them a good life…and not enjoying any of it myself. The hole just keeps getting bigger.”

“Is it hard to imagine that the hole might stop expanding and steady a bit? That it might be less gaping one day?” I said, offering a future possibility.

“I can’t…”

I nodded.

“Is your wanting to parent the girls so they have good lives…” I began to ask as I looked to connect Claudia to parts of her life that might help support her keep holding on. Her virtuous desire to care for her children in spite of the pain of living stood out to me.

Claudia interrupted me, staunch as always in her love of her girls. “I want them to have good happy lives, absolutely.”

“How would you describe a good, happy life for your girls?” I invited, seeking to connect her with a future for them that might be possible to envisage.

“Doing things that stimulate them and interest them with me…positive times with me and …being strong in themselves…able to weather some storms… and get enjoyment out of things…and finding passions. I want that for them but not for myself. I don’t believe in having that for myself. I can’t see it again. It feels like it’s all gone…”

We paused together for a time and Claudia wept. (35) “I feel like something in my soul has gone… an intrinsic part of me.” Her description touched me as I murmured a quiet acknowledgment. After a pause I added, “May I ask what part of your soul would that be?”

“All of my adult self…is connected to Tom. Everything I do and think is influenced by him and our relationship. All my memories of being an adult…are with him. The way I view things is because of him. It is lovely and I’m very glad. But it’s such a wrench.”

“Was your soul entwined with his?” I wondered. Claudia nodded. “And was his entwined with yours?”

She nodded vehemently. “I don’t know where he is! It’s just so hard.” Claudia’s body shook and she put her head in her hands. It was my turn to nod as we both acknowledged the hardness. It was so hard (36). As we sat there for a time, I considered Claudia’s disappointment with the clairvoyant and how it had made the pain worse.

“I wonder if we can think about that a little bit…if we could figure something out, away from the experience you had with that particular clairvoyant…”

Claudia laughed heartily through her tears, “…Who believes in herself even if she is a complete fraud. I can’t accept that he’s not somewhere or not existing.”

“What are your understandings of possible places or ways that Tom could be existing?” I asked. People I meet with often have very different ways of understanding death even if they identify as belonging to a well-known faith tradition. They also often re-evaluate beliefs they’ve held for a lifetime in moments of illness and loss. I can never assume I know what someone believes.

“That he is part of the energy, the finite energy of the universe… that’s scientific,” Claudia explained to me. I listened attentively as she continued, “Or he could be in a different realm or a different world which is potentially scientific as well.”

“… like a parallel universe?” I inquired, noting her tears had stopped. “Yes. Or in some heavenly place, someplace souls go where there’s peace. I’m sure there are other frontiers but those are the ones I think of…I want him to be conscious somewhere and aware of us. If I think about another world or a heavenly place, he would be conscious of us.” She stared at the sky out the window. “What would a sense of Tom’s presence give you?” Claudia returned her gaze to me. “I would know he’s with us, present in our lives”.

“Do you think you have any impact on that sense of presence or how that presence could be felt?” I inquired. Claudia looked at me quizzically. “Clairvoyant people say we do, don’t they? If we can be open to it or not open to it.”

“I don’t know…Can you influence the way you feel Tom?” I wondered curious.

“I don’t know. I’d like to,” she affirmed. I cast my mind back to a previous conversation. “When we met last time, you mentioned you had felt him.”

Claudia confirmed, “I felt him really strongly.”

“May I ask what you were doing at the time?”

“I wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary. I was probably having a laugh which was unusual as it was maybe two or three weeks after he died. The girls were playing around so a bit of a lighter moment and I was laughing with Libby playing peek-a-boo.”

“Would it be possible for you to have faith in yourself even if you can’t have faith in the clairvoyant you met?” (37)

“I’ve tried very hard to separate those two. It’s where I came to on Saturday. I didn’t have a very good experience with her but that doesn’t mean it’s all out. I didn’t pin my hopes on just one person. I booked two clairvoyants. I’ve booked the other one for August and I’ve heard she is authentic and very good. I’ll keep that booking. I’m not giving up on it altogether.” Claudia sounded calm.

Laughing, she added, “I can spare another $120! If she’s good!” I laughed in response before inquiring, “What about your own experience of feeling Tom was with you?”

“It was very strong. But it’s very easy to doubt myself. That’s what’s hard I think,” Claudia explained. “I had another experience where I was looking for a necklace and I felt Tom very strongly. I was looking and looking and then I found it one day and I had a very strong feeling that Tom had helped me find it. I know that sounds strange. But it was such a strong feeling that I said, ‘Thank you Tom! That’s for Imogen.’ It just came out. I need more! Greedy, greedy!”

“When you feel Tom with you, what does that feel like?” I asked curiously.

“Normal! The old normal,” she explained with energy.

“How do you know he’s there? When he helped you find the necklace, what happened that told you that?” I wondered, keen to learn more.

“It just felt like everything’s OK again.”

“Ah.” I sat back in my chair.

“And I don’t have to have this new normal. Both times I just felt lighter and happier. This nightmare is over or maybe not what it seems.”

“If you met with another clairvoyant whom you did or didn’t find authentic, could anyone take away those experiences that you’ve had?”

“No. They’re authentic to me,” Claudia stated.

“You said you want more of them…”

In a sing-song voice Claudia interrupted, “I do!” She was grinning.

I returned her grin. “On demand!” I echoed in the same sing-song tones. Claudia laughed. (38)

“They felt authentic to me and I’m a big believer in going with your gut instinct. I’m quite in tune with those things. They felt real.” Claudia sat back looking steady.

"I drove back to the hospice some time later reflecting on the many understandings people hold about what happens to a person after they die." (39)

New Understandings

Claudia returned to work and, as the routine settled and time passed, the pain of Tom’s death intensified. As Claudia explained to me, “It is now not just days or weeks since I last saw Tom, but six months. The longer it is since I last saw my Tom, the more I miss him.” I wasn’t surprised as many other people have described a similar experience to me.

It was a rainy day. Claudia had finished breastfeeding Libby and had returned from laying her down to sleep. She walked up the stairs with a heavy tread and sat down. “It feels like we are now in a new normal. The new normal makes me so sad. I don’t want a new normal. I want the old normal. I’m feeling guilty; sad and guilty.”

I made a few acknowledging sounds as she talked, “It is so tough. Who would want this normal when comparing it to having a partner they loved alive?” I paused a moment as I looked at Claudia’s drawn face. “Would it be helpful to share with me some more about this sadness and guilt?” I continued, wondering if it might be useful to get to know th

A Small Hope: Co-creating a Narrative of Grief – Part I *

This story is dedicated by “Claudia” to “Tom” in memory of his loving ways.

I would like to thank “Claudia” for her generosity in joining me in adventuring into new territories. There would be no story without her.

I would like to thank Aileen Cheshire, Catherine Cook, William Cooke, and Peggy Sax for their insights and helpful suggestions, and David Epston for his editorial support.

Introduction

Grief can be excruciating. The pain of loss may be overwhelming at times and its duration and intensity can be a shock to many. However, it is not always so. Relationships are shaped differently and there are many possible stories that can be told of such an experience.

The following illustration of Narrative Therapy (2) was originally written as a therapeutic document for a woman who had been forced to contend with the death of her partner while she parented their young children. “Claudia” (3), as she chose to call herself for this article, was experiencing significant loss. At the same time, she was struggling to find compassion for herself. I hoped that if Claudia viewed herself in a story of our conversations, the narrative might lend strength to the new understandings we were co-constructing. Claudia was enthusiastic about the idea of co-creating such a document and after going through a careful consent process, we agreed that we would record our conversations and write a story from the transcriptions.

Our purposes for writing a story evolved. As time passed, Claudia wanted to share her knowledge of grieving with others. When we discussed the possibility of sharing the story with a wider audience, I hoped the story might show the unfolding of therapy, and in particular, narrative practices that companion a person (4) and invite them to explore new meanings of their experience.

I have therefore added footnotes to the story [Ed. Note: Please see the original article for these notes]. The footnotes explain more of what I was thinking as Claudia and I spoke, and why I asked particular questions. They also include some thoughts on narrative practice with people who are suffering as they live with loss. You may choose to read the story and the footnotes together or separately.

For those of you who are interested in experimenting with writing a story, in contrast to other forms of therapeutic documents, please see an earlier paper I have written on writing narrative therapeutic letters. I have described the process of story writing and some of the possible benefits within that paper.   

A Cupful of Time Folded in with Love

“It’s urgent,” the community nurse told me solemnly. “Yesterday, Tom was told he was bleeding internally by the doctor at the hospital. When he heard nothing could be done to stop it, he asked his wife Claudia to take him home. Understandably, they are reeling; this has all happened so fast. We’ve offered counselling support and Claudia has agreed. She’s asked if you could ring after 10 o’clock so you don’t wake the baby from her morning nap.”

I walked back down the hallway towards my office reflecting on what it might be like to receive such news. Just after 10 o’clock I telephoned. Claudia answered. “Hello, it’s Sasha speaking. I’m one of the counsellors from the hospice. I understand you might be interested in meeting up with me. Have I got that right?” Quite often people have another understanding from a referrer, so I was tentative to give Claudia space to say what she wanted. (5)

“Yes, that would be great,” she replied.

“How would tomorrow suit you?” I asked, thinking of the urgency of the situation.

“Look, it’s very kind of you. I know it’s Friday tomorrow but it’s going to have to be next week. I’m sorry. I promised our five-year-old, Imogen, I would bake a cake with her tomorrow. It’s her birthday and I promised,” Claudia apologised in a rush.

“Are you the kind of mother who honours promises?” I asked with a smile in my voice. (6)

I heard Claudia let out a long breath. “She’s been looking forward to it all week.”  

Warmly, we now began to make a time to meet up. In the back of my mind, I was thinking about Claudia prioritising a promise to her daughter when she was possibly having the worst time of her life. Images of baking with my own young daughter many years ago floated through my mind. I wondered, “What might Imogen remember of this time when her Daddy was dying and when promises were kept to her five-year-old self? What might she say about the way she was cared for by her Mum at such a terrible time?” I also appreciated Claudia’s ability to put me off and say what she wanted. I was well aware it wasn’t easy to delay health professionals, especially to honour the wishes of a child.

I looked forward to meeting Claudia and Tom, and learning more about them.

A Surprising Renewal

I parked the hospice car down the road from the house, worried that the signage on it might communicate to the neighbours something Claudia and Tom wished to keep private. It wasn’t the anonymous unadorned car I usually drove. A young woman opened the front door of Tom and Claudia’s home and, as I looked at her animated face, I realised I knew her.

“Do you remember me?” she asked, wide-eyed, as if she could hardly believe who she was seeing.

“Yes!” I replied, flooded with memories. It was nearly 20years since Claudia and I had last seen each other. Her father had been dying at the time and Claudia was caring for him. I was working as a counsellor in a university counselling service and we had met together across the last 18 months of her father’s life. I easily recalled Claudia’s devotion to his care at a time when her contemporaries were more focused on parties and the opportunities study could provide them.

I walked further into a room that had ushered in many unfamiliar health professionals over the prior week, full of gratitude for this chance reunion and hopeful that it might make some difference for Claudia and Tom.

Claudia invited me to come into a bedroom for some privacy and together we sat on the bed. She was dressed comfortably in shorts and a T-shirt with her long, fair hair tied back off her face. Clothes that would be practical for parenting work and caring for Tom, I thought. There were dark circles under Claudia’s red, lidded eyes, easily visible because of her fair skin, and her face had a hollowed appearance in spite of her warm smile.

Claudia explained she had been up all night with their baby who was sick, and on top of that she herself had toothache. “Somehow, I am going to have to fit in an appointment with a dentist, but I don’t know how I’m going to find the time,” she exclaimed, throwing up her hands in dismay. After talking further, Claudia led me into a small, darkened room to meet Tom. He lay on a single bed unmoving and silent. Claudia touched Tom gently and he turned his head towards us. “This is Sasha,” she said. Tom looked up at me and we exchanged a greeting.

I sat down on a chair facing Tom while Claudia ignored the other chair which was placed near his pillow. Instead, she sat on the floor with her arm resting on Tom’s shoulder. Tom’s skin was a faded tan colour, suggesting to me he had once spent considerable time out of doors. In response to my greeting, he slowly shifted in the bed with jerky movements. Once he had settled, I leaned forward looking at him. “Tom, it’s lovely to meet you.”

He was a tall man I guessed, with fair hair and a kind face, softly lined around his eyes and mouth. “I’m aware talking can take a lot of precious energy. Is this an OK time for the three of us to talk together, or would you rather we spoke another time? I want to do whatever best suits you and Claudia. I can easily fit in either way,” I offered, smiling warmly at him.

“I’d like to talk for a bit. I won’t last long. We’ve been looking forward to it,” he responded, glancing at Claudia.

“When you find yourself beginning to tire, will you notice and be able to let me know?” I inquired, thinking I would need to be alert for any signs I was extending the conversation longer than he could comfortably manage.

“Claudia will know. She’ll tell us both.” Claudia nodded, her face soft and relaxed.

“Thank you.” Sitting back in my chair, I made myself comfortable while I looked from Claudia to Tom. “Illnesses have a way of taking over people’s lives and yet people are so much more than the illness they are living with. Would it be OK if I asked you a bit about yourselves and your lives before all this happened?” (7)

“Gosh it’s so nice to be asked that,” Claudia exclaimed. “It makes me feel like I matter, we matter. Tom’s a teacher and you probably noticed the garden. He grows plants from seed and often ones that are good to cook with.”

In a faltering voice Tom contributed, “Yeah… I’ve taught younger age groups and I love to garden and cook.”

“Food is very important in this house!” Claudia laughed.

Tom quietly added, “In the last year I’ve worked tutoring from home … it’s been ideal with me having cancer.” I considered asking Tom about how he lived with cancer but decided to pursue getting to know them more a bit more first. Claudia continued the conversation in a lively manner sharing with me stories of her work and interests.

“Tom, if I were to know Claudia as you do, what might I come to appreciate and respect about her?” (8)

Tom looked at Claudia as he answered me. “I love Claudia very deeply. She is kind. Really kind. I saw that from the first. She is honourable and dedicated to the people and things she believes in. Her loyalty is like none other and there is nothing I wouldn’t share or confide in her. Claudia is a wonderful, loving mother. Knowing that makes it easier for me to be sick because I know I will be leaving the girls in her care.”

“Could you tell me a story that illustrates some of these attributes you love and appreciate in Claudia?” (9)

Tom spoke of the care Claudia had given her father as he was dying. “She will always have your back,” he told me.

“What difference has Claudia ‘having your back’ made to you?”

“It has given me a whole new life that I wouldn’t have had without her. It’s meant I can be myself and pursue my interests. It has meant I have had the joy of becoming a father.”

Claudia responded by clasping Tom’s hand. “I love you so much,” she whispered.

After I asked Tom a few more questions, I turned to Claudia.

“Claudia if were to get to know a little of the Tom that you love so much, what might I come to respect and appreciate about him?”

“You’d appreciate his authenticity. Tom is real. He has a wicked sense of humour too! He’s always polite but he doesn’t suffer fools.”

“Would it be OK to ask you for a story of Tom’s authenticity and his wicked sense of humour?” I grinned at Tom and his eyes twinkled in return. Claudia launched into some stories with enthusiasm. Tom lay back quietly enjoying her words.

As the conversation progressed, it turned quite naturally towards the cancer and what they had been going through. I looked over to Tom and inquired, “What do you give weight to in your days as you live with this cancer?” (10)

“My family, being a father, I like to be involved with the girls,” Tom confided. A small smile emerged on his face. Tom tried to raise himself in the bed but, before Claudia could help him, slipped back down and, seeming to give up on a sitting position, rested his head on the pillow. When he looked comfortable again, I asked, “Could you help me to understand a little of what it means to you to be a father?”

“I love it! I wasn’t truly happy until I was a Dad. I took one look at Imogen, our eldest, and I fell in love.”

I was aware Tom’s words might carry meaning that could be passed on and retold down the years, perhaps providing solace for his girls.

“Could I ask you about this experience of falling in love?”

Contentment seemed to flow over his face for a moment, relaxing the lines as he contemplated my question. “Sure. I didn’t know what happiness was till Imogen came along. She made my life complete.”

“What did Imogen’s birth give you that has you experiencing this sense of completion and happiness?” I responded smiling.

Tom pondered, “I think it was a proper purpose….”

Claudia joined us. “…Being parents connected us to what’s important…I think Tom’s found a role that really fits him. He’s a good father.”

Tom’s quiet voice gained strength and the corners of his eyes turned up. “…And then Libby was born and I felt overwhelmed with wonder.”

“What had you overwhelmed with wonder when Libby was born?” I asked, collecting stories again. (11)

“Libby having her very own personality and the way she could let her feelings be known,” he responded with a chuckle. Claudia joined in, “He sent me a message when I was at work that said, “Baby does not want to sleep in the bedroom today. She was very vocal on the matter!” Claudia laughed. “Tom always appreciates her strength of character and being able to understand what she’s trying to say.”

Enjoying their delight, I responded, “What is important to you both that the experience of parenting has connected you to?”

“Our values and beliefs,” Claudia told me. Tom nodded, meeting Claudia’s eyes. “What we treasure.” I was keen to ask them more about their values and beliefs, but I didn’t know how long we might have for our conversation. Tom was likely managing fatigue and so I decided to pursue another path. I would return to the detail of what they treasured at a later date.

“Would it be OK to ask how this giving weight to what you believe in and treasure shapes your experience of living with cancer?” (12)

“It’s given us good times, wonderful times in amongst the hard stuff. The girls make each day worth living for,” Tom answered.

“We spent one morning just watching Libby learn to roll,” Claudia laughed.

Our laughter was cut off by sounds of crying from the room upstairs followed by shuffling as Tom’s mother walked quickly to attend to Libby.

Claudia tilted her head as she listened for signs Libby had been soothed. Tom stilled listening as well. “How will I do it without you?” she whispered, looking back to Tom. Tears began to flow down Claudia’s face. Stifling sobs, she rested her head on Tom’s chest and stretched her arms out as if to cradle the entire length of his body.

“I’m still here now. I’m still here now,” he crooned, patting her back.

“How will I raise the girls without you?” Claudia reiterated.

“I trust you. You will do a good job,” he said, trying to placate her. Tom continued to pat Claudia’s back in the age-old rhythm of comfort. I remained quiet, touched by her pain and his attempts to console her. (13)

After a time, I asked him, “What is it that you know about Claudia that allows you to trust her?”

Tom began to describe his faith in Claudia, gently patting her back all the while he talked.

“Could you tell me a story that illustrates this trust you hold for Claudia and her parenting?”

Tom expressed his admiration for Claudia as a mother. “She always puts the girls first.” He told me stories of her kindness and her beliefs about mothering, explaining how important their shared parenting beliefs were to them. As he spoke, Claudia listened silently, intent on his every word.

“How might you like to carry these beliefs you share forward so Imogen and Libby might know something of what is important to you as a couple and as a family?” I responded.

Claudia suggested they create a family charter that recorded their values. (14) Tom was enthusiastic about such a project and together we discussed what might be included in the document.

I checked with Tom as to how his energy levels were at regular intervals. Mindful that it is hard to send someone away, when I noticed his eyelids start to droop a little, I began to bring the conversation to an end.

“How has this conversation been going? Have we talked about what you hoped we might or have I taken us off track?” I checked.

“It’s been good,” Claudia said.

“Thanks. I liked talking,” Tom said warmly.

Claudia showed me out a few minutes later.

A Small Hope

Over the following week I heard that Tom had stopped eating and was now unable to leave his bed. The nurses told me that Claudia had insisted no one speak to her about his symptoms or deteriorating condition.

At the end of the week I went to see Tom and Claudia as we had arranged.

Claudia and I sat outside in the garden at an old wooden table. Tom was inside sleeping, too sick to talk. The garden provided a quiet private place away from the activity of the household as the extended family all worked together to care for him and the girls. Tired, harrowed faces had welcomed me and in the heavy movements of the family, I thought I could feel unspoken sadness weighing down their every step.

Claudia looked up as the leaves ruffled in the moving air. “It’s been a better week.”

“When you look back on the last two weeks, do you have some ideas about what has contributed to this week being better?” I asked, incorporating her words into my question.

“I’ve stopped looking ahead,” Claudia replied. Not wanting to presume what Claudia meant, I responded, “May I ask, where do you look when you’re not looking ahead?”

“No one can know exactly what’s going to happen, can they?” Claudia replied. “Now I only think about today and I have some hope.”

“Could you help me to understand a little of what this hope (15) is to you?”

Claudia paused, bowing her head.

“It is only a small hope,” she said in a quiet voice as if confessing something. “…To be with Tom, for another day or maybe even a few days.” Claudia looked up at me with tears gleaming in her eyes.

“May I ask what difference this small hope makes to you?” I replied, moved by the humility of her hope.

“It means I’m not crying all the time. I sat by the window and told Tom what I saw outside. We spent some time talking quietly together once Imogen was at school. I made him a little something for lunch and we sat together. He told me being together like that was ‘perfect,’ and he has never said that before.”

“As you look out the window describing the view to Tom, what does this small hope do that has Tom finding your time together perfect?”

“I can enjoy the moment and he feels that. It helps me forget what is coming,” Claudia explained.

“When you spend these moments that the small hope has given you, what has been made possible that hadn’t been there in the week before?” I knew that the week before had been distressing for them both.

“Close time together. Over the past few months, we’ve been arguing because of the stress and that isn’t us,” was Claudia’s reply.

“How did you come to find closeness in sharing the view from the window and talking and bringing Tom food?”

Claudia told me with eagerness now edging into her voice, “It’s what we’ve always done together, enjoyed the simple things. We like to enjoy those things that money can’t buy.” Claudia continued telling me stories illustrating this.

“What else do you do in the day that speaks to the closeness you share as a couple, and as parents together, and brings you closer to Tom?”

“Gardening,” Claudia readily answered. “I feel close to him when I do his garden and I will keep doing it. I just couldn’t do it before. I was too shocked. Now I have some hope and it gets me through the day.”

“How important is this hope in keeping you close to Tom and getting through the day?”

Firmness was in her voice as she stated, “Very, very important. It means I can enjoy some time with Tom and that is the most important thing to me. The time is so precious. And I don’t want to cry every minute.” We carried on talking about how Claudia and Tom were enjoying the window of time they still had together when Claudia confided, “Did you know I’ve stopped the nurses telling me about Tom’s symptoms?” She glanced up at me and paused, “Maybe that means I’m in denial, I don’t know.”

“What sort of talk are you encouraging or hoping for when you halt discussion about Tom’s condition?” I asked.

Her reply tumbled out. “I know what’s coming…I just want a little longer, just a little longer with him without thinking of that. It’s always there in the background but I don’t want to go there before I have to.”

I could easily understand why Claudia might want to protect the hope that was allowing her to savour time with Tom. To me it was not denial of his approaching death but rather embracing what was most important to her — close time with Tom before he died.

I left that day not knowing when Claudia and I would next meet. The uncertainty Tom and Claudia were living with made it difficult for Claudia to plan. We had agreed she would call me when she next wanted to meet.

The following week I heard that Tom was dying. The hospice nurses were visiting daily and every effort was being made to keep him comfortable.

One morning I arrived at work early. I sat down at my desk noting the light was blinking on my answerphone. I punched in the numbers to access my messages. There was just one. One of the hospice community nurses had called to let me know Tom had died. “Claudia would like to see you,” she said.  

“Such a lot has happened since we last met. Would you like to talk about the last fortnight or is there another place you would rather begin?” I asked, seeking to create some space for her to guide me as to how she wanted to begin our conversation. I didn’t know how talking about Tom dying would be for Claudia or what language she preferred to use. (17)

Claudia spoke slowly contemplating her words as if they were transporting her back in time. “I moved Tom back into our room after I saw you. I’m so glad I did. It was much nicer for him.” She smiled tenderly. “I lay beside him on the bed that last week as he was dying. I told him over and over, ‘You’re loved and you’re safe.’ It was just him and me when he died…” Claudia paused, her eyes staring unfocused. Returning her attention to me she resumed speaking. “The family had left for the evening to give us some time alone together, but I called them when I realised he was dying. They came straight back. In the end, he died like he’d wanted.”

I imagined Claudia reassuring Tom with her love. “May I ask… what difference did it make to Tom to feel loved by you as he was dying?”

Claudia sat back in the sofa. “I guess he could bear it. He’d had a tough childhood because he was different, and he was bullied a lot. But when he died, he had a family. He was loved. He had all the things that were really important to him.” She glanced at a photo of Tom and the girls on the wall. I too looked at the picture of Tom holding Libby while Imogen wrapped herself around his legs.

The slow pace and rhythm of my words matched Claudia’s as I returned my entire attention to her and expanded my previous question. “What did it mean to Tom to have a family and to be loved as he was dying do you think?”

“Everything. A chaplain visited Tom at the hospital just after we heard the news he was going to die. The chaplain asked Tom, ‘Has it been a good life?’ and Tom said, ‘Yes. It has been a good life.’ It comforts me to think that. He always said he’d got a life through me he’d never expected to have.”

I leant towards her as I replied, “What was it that he got from his relationship with you that made his life good?”

“He said he learnt new things. He became a father. He said because of our relationship, he got to have a life he wanted but never imagined having.” Claudia’s body stilled and her mouth turned down. I responded tentatively, “Would you mind sharing with me a little more about this good life that your relationship gave Tom?” I hesitated. “Might Tom have said it was a longed for life?"  

“It was a longed for life,” Claudia replied emphatically. She wrapped her arms around her body as if to hug herself and began to recall how she met Tom and the friendship they shared. The words came out quickly matched by the tears that fell from her eyes. After a few minutes of talking, Claudia slowed, releasing her arms from her body, and sat back on the sofa. “He said he’d always been on the outside and never felt like he belonged. It all changed for him when we were together. We both valued friendship and loyalty and it built our relationship.”  

I was spellbound by what they had given each other. “People mean many things when they talk about friendship and loyalty. What were yours and Tom’s understandings and how did they show in your relationship… that had Tom moving from feeling on the outside to stepping inside and experiencing belonging, friendship, and love…a longed for life?”

It was a long question and I said it slowly with expression. Claudia stared at me attentively. Eagerly she replied, “We had each other’s backs. Even if we didn’t agree, we always loved each other. We respected our differences and opinions. Our love was always there even in the way I cared for him. When Tom got sick, he said it changed how he dealt with having cancer.”

“How did this love you shared and the loving ways you cared for Tom influence how he lived with the cancer?” (18)

Claudia leant towards me, seeming oblivious to anything other than what she was about to express. “It meant he could go on enjoying his life. We were good at loving each other. We both changed and grew because of the relationship. I will never have another like it. It kind of gives me more to hold on to, and I keep saying to myself how grateful I am for my relationship with Tom, but it’s also so much more to lose.” Claudia lowered her voice, her passionate tones fading rapidly, and almost whispered, “I’ve been on the edge of a cliff for so long knowing there was a chasm ahead of me. I know I’m falling into it now but there’s this numbness. I hate it. It disconnects me from Tom. It’s like this isn’t real and it is.”

I reflected on the enormity of such a loss and Claudia’s ability to express gratitude at such a moment. “When you’ve had such a special relationship which both gives you more to hold on to and more to lose, how do you understand this sense of numbness?” Claudia nodded when I gave weight to the words “more to lose” and then replied hesitantly, “It’s an anesthetic. My body being kind maybe.”

“What does this sense of numbness speak to about the relationship you have with Tom and the magnitude of the loss do you think?” I wondered if the numbness was an expression of their close connection, and the magnitude of the loss Claudia was experiencing.

Claudia straightened her back and lifted her chin. “Tom dying is bigger than any loss I have been through before. Other people I have loved have died but nothing compares to this. Nothing!” She uttered the words emphatically as if arguing with an unseen audience. Then, making eye contact with me added, “Does that make sense?”

I nodded as she spoke, reflecting that she was in a much more informed position to speak of this than I was. “Losses are not the same, relationships are different, and circumstances are different. Would it be OK to ask what it is that contributes to Tom dying being an incomparable loss, the biggest loss you have ever experienced in your life?” I wanted to fully acknowledge her experience. (19)

Claudia wriggled back on the sofa unfolding her arms. Her chest rose as she took a deep breath. “He has been the most important person in my life. He is my best friend. I don’t want to forget.” I remembered h

Working Effectively and Developmentally with Traumatized Adolescents in the Juvenile Justice System

Would you ever want to go back to adolescence? I cringe at the thought. What a torturous time of peer pressure, identity development, and naivete about one’s own mortality. I’m sure there are a few folks out there who would happily re-experience this time in their lives, but my gut tells me it would be a small group. When I reflect on this time in my own development and then consider my experiences working with incarcerated youth, I can’t help but feel immense empathy for what they are going through, knowing they now have this experience of incarceration to contend with that will further impact everything from their self-image and their behavior to their comportment in the world. When you further consider the diagnoses that start to present themselves as these youth ages, it can become gut-wrenching to imagine how they are going to navigate life after incarceration.

Longing for While Sabotaging Connection

In my work with Zed (fictional name), I’ve seen an adolescent who so desperately wants connection, but is so afraid it won’t last that he rapidly and abusively sabotages his positive relationships. He is profoundly adept at putting on a tough face and acting as if he does not feel lonely, sad, and hurt when this transpires, and he ultimately carries the belief that people always leave, so it is better to strike before being struck. This belief has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts and is heavily characterologically entwined with every facet of his being.

When Zed was younger, he ended up in the foster care system while his parents were struggling with addiction, and inevitably found himself in and out of the juvenile correctional system, transient, and in group home settings. Zed is not without insight — in fact, he frequently states, “I was acting up in those placements; I wanted to be back with my parents.” It’s important to verbalize that although it is true that he may have exhibited self-sabotaging behaviors, Zed’s presentation is directly entangled with the broken attachment and trauma that he experienced, culminating in a recent diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). This diagnosis has somewhat shocked Zed and he has been persistently reluctant to accept it, and understandably so. As a teenager whose brain is still developing, the idea that your behavior is being pathologized rather than viewed as a response to injustice would be immensely overwhelming. In a session, I once offered Zed the adage, “Hurt people, hurt people.” The idea behind sharing this was to hopefully leave him with a mental nugget to come back to and ponder. However, the response I got from Zed that day was that it’s justifiable for hurt people to hurt people, particularly if it’s someone who has hurt them already. I could feel Zed’s desire for others to feel his pain — it was practically streaming from him, along with the deep injustice he felt he had experienced and the unfairness of it all to such a young person. My inner dialog was saying, “Wow, this person has experienced so much emotional pain, it is practically blinding him and those around him.”

As someone working closely with someone with BPD, it is easy to imagine how other staff members who perhaps do not have much in the way of mental health training could become easily overwhelmed, frustrated, or fearful when working with a teen like him. When Zed perceives injustice, judgement, or simply does not receive the information he would like, he can escalate and become both physically and verbally aggressive. However, the reframe of this, which I have found myself discussing with other staff members, is that he is screaming out to be held, if not literally — which may indeed be true — but figuratively. I’ve found that in instances like this, boundaries are the equivalent of being held, along with unconditional positive regard. When a resident with BPD is actively upset, they are banking on (somewhat unconsciously) the self-fulfilling prophecy of, “I am too much for others. People will always leave me,” becoming fulfilled.

What to do in moments like these, when it would otherwise be so easy to punish and control, is critical not only for their treatment, but as potential lessons of life they can take forward with them. For example, I’ve found that self-injury is often utilized as a method of power and control by someone who is diagnosed with BPD, which in turn, can make clinicians and staff fearful. They then might inadvertently reinforce the self-injurious behavior by acquiescing to what the patient demands just so the self-abusive behavior will cease. This is immensely harmful in the long-term, as the patient will utilize this strategy consistently if it proves fruitful.

When experiencing periods of time where Zed has actively engaged in self-injurious behavior, I approach him with one goal in mind: safety. It is during these periods of crisis when I remind him that I will only be able to do in-depth work with him when he can maintain safety for himself and others. Without this basic element of safety, there is no foundation, and nothing can effectively be accomplished. When I am successful in helping all of those working with Zed in this regard, it becomes much more likely that he will return to a place of equilibrium and avoid harmful behaviors.

Perhaps the biggest challenge I’ve experienced while working with Zed, is maintaining my sense of the “long-game.” Solution focused remedies won’t propel us there, but consistent unconditional positive regard, setting of boundaries, and supporting the therapeutic alliance will. While the gains often feel minimal and fleeting, consistency and determination go a long way in equipping teens like Zed with the tools for a more successful life outside of institutional walls. The most important thing I can do with teens like Zed is to remind myself and others around, that diagnosis is NOT all that these clients are. It is simply a marker and reminder that they have experienced significant and sustained trauma and potentially disrupted attachment, and they can be helped.

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If we tell people there is no hope that they can grow through a diagnosis, we are neglecting to give them all the tools in the toolbox. And as carriers of the toolbox, it is our job to provide those we treat with the proper tools for the task at hand.

Questions for Thought and Discussion

  • What are your impressions of Zed and how this therapist addressed his therapeutic needs?
  • How does your work with clients diagnosed with BPD differ from hers?
  • What might you have done differently with Zed?

Awareness: Attunement, Access, and Affirmation

The key is to focus in on the intuition you do have, to pay attention to ways that you may be using it in your life, in your profession, in your interests, and in your dreams….
—Mona Lisa Schulz

Flowing into the Psychic Mind

Awareness of the diamonds contained in the psychic mind allows you to affirm its vital resources and attune to its ongoing flow of information. As Dr. Milton Erickson taught, we all have the ability to access and utilize the resources of the unconscious mind. The first step is to understand how to tune in and recognize the precious gems of intuitive wisdom. In understanding the use of the ACE schema, it’s important to remember that each step contains dynamic concepts made up of ideas and processes, characteristic phenomena that you can come to understand and learn to develop. Let’s start with the phenomenology of the first concepts of the schema:

A: Access, Attune to, and Affirm your natural psychic gifts.

I have identified six key phenomena of the first “step” of the ACE schema: accepting, absorbing, dissociating, listening/sensing, receiving, and interpreting, aka “reading.” As you study and use ACE, you may identify even more phenomena. I suggest that these features, although presented as linear, will overlap as you develop your intuitive skills. Let’s start with awareness and acceptance that psychic ability is part of our human makeup — that it is a valid way of receiving knowledge, and that it can make you a better clinician.

Becoming absorbed into the inner mind is something we all do on a regular basis. Absorption is as natural as spacing out in front of the TV, intently focused on playing a game on your computer, or relaxing in a hot tub. Meditation, progressive relaxation techniques, prayer, and hypnosis all involve the quieting of the mind, a kind of “zoning out” that creates entry to a state of inner awareness. When thus absorbed in a state of mindfulness, one is somewhat dissociated, less consciously aware of what is going on in the outer environment, more deeply and narrowly focused on one’s chosen object, and more deeply attuned inside.

Although this type of deeper attunement often happens spontaneously, you can actually learn how to become more consciously tuned to your inner world by practicing the felt experience of being in a receptive state. Your preferred method of stilling your mind can be a practical and useful way to enter a state of receptivity; however, a relaxed state is not mandatory for accessing intuitive knowing. Intuition can also be available when you are in a state of sympathetic arousal due to some exciting situation, positive or otherwise, including the variables of a therapy session when intuition may be extremely helpful. As will be demonstrated shortly in the case of Tom, access to intuitive knowing can be a go-to consultant when you are immersed in the variations and variables of a clinical experience.

Listening, Sensing, Receiving, and Interpreting

Take a moment to think about a time when you “just knew” the right thing to say or do in a session. Was it a fleeting thought of intuitive wisdom that helped you formulate an effective intervention, or a hunch about a correct diagnosis? Can you recall times when after following a gut feeling, you congratulated yourself on the way your clinical acumen could just “sense” what was needed?

As a therapist you probably already have a pretty good sense of how to “read” people, how to interpret and be guided by minimal cues. You may be adept at imagining contextual aspects of others’ lives by noticing small details of word choices, postures, and expressions. Observations such as these and similar experiences of knowing are examples of sensing, listening, receiving, and interpreting, some of the phenomena of attunement and access that are pivotal to the magick of clinical creativity.

Consciously putting yourself into a receptive state for intuitive knowing can make clinical insights, ideas, and interventions more available, and make you more creative. As you become familiar with the way your mind receives information and what related sensations occur in your body, you can memorize and anchor the felt experience of cognitive, emotional, and sensate phenomena of your receptive state. Practicing in this way will help you develop psychic “muscles” that you can flex with fluidity and authority. You will become better equipped to help clients access their own unconscious resources with greater trust and comfort, and less guilt and shame.

Welcoming Wisdom with Easy Attunement

If you choose to use your psychic wisdom to improve your clinical work, you may or may not hang out a flashing neon hand at an amusement park. However, after reading this book, you might decide to try your hand (or your mind) at an intuitive consultation, also known as, a psychic reading. In fact, doing intuitive readings can be fun and, as I have found, can also be very useful for certain clients and certain situations.

In whatever way you choose to utilize your intuitive ability, the following short script can be used to practice attunement and access. This can be done anywhere, and with practice you will become adept at recognizing and welcoming the way psychic knowing emerges into the wisdom of your conscious mind.

Choose a comfortable spot. Close your eyes if you wish or gently let them go out of focus or be blurry.

Gently breathe and when your mind is quiet in the right way for you, take a little deeper breath and count down slowly from 10 to 1. By inhaling gently and exhaling smoothly, you can realize how easily your body can settle and your mind can be free to roam into the unconscious mind and receive guidance.

Pay gentle attention to your breathing, feeling tension leaving your body, and in whatever way feels right to you, notice the way your mind is becoming receptive to images, ideas, and sensations. Good.

If unwelcome thoughts come in, return attention to your breathing or counting, continuing to pay attention to what comes in and give yourself permission to let go of what is not welcome. Very good.

As you continue to breathe normally and rhythmically, you can trust that you are entering a receptive state that is just right for you.

Now, without struggling or attempting to reach a conclusion, you can imagine allowing your senses to receive information as thoughts, feelings, impressions, somatic sensations and intuitive hunches enter your mind. Affirm that you will realize which ideas will be most useful. All you need to do is to notice. Good.

If there is a specific issue you wish to resolve, you can project your problem onto your mental screen. Visualize possible courses of action and potential outcomes. Allow your mind and body to imagine scenarios and metaphors that later you can consider for possible solutions. Excellent.

When you are ready, reorient your senses to your current circumstances. Affirm that your psychic mind has intelligence you need for all situations. You can remember whatever needs to be remembered or forget what needs to be forgotten.

When you’re ready, take a gentle breath and come back feeling refreshed all over. As you go forward, your psychic mind can offer continuing intelligence that may come as a subsequent hunch, a feeling, a metaphor or in some other form that you will realize. Affirm that this is so. Good job.

When we include guidance from our intuition during a therapy session, we are better able to help the patient attune to the unique resources of their own psychic mind. The case of Tom offers an example of the way in which insight from the psychic dimension gave me access to an idea for utilizing Tom’s intuitive potentials for neurobiological and physiological shifts, and actual somatic and emotional improvement.

The Doctor Makes a House Call: The Case of Tom

A grandfather and a retired businessperson living with HIV, Tom is down-to-earth and practical. While he might not appear on the surface to be a candidate for a psychic healing session, Tom’s health issues, his familiarity with my integrative, intuitive work, and our solid therapeutic alliance opened an opportunity to help Tom with his anxiety.

Having seen Tom through HIV diagnosis, stabilization on medical protocols, and successful recovery from several other serious health issues, I was only mildly surprised when he announced: “My doctor found bleeding during the sigmoid exam. I’m doing my best to manage the anxiety, but I’m scared, and there are a few weeks before the definitive procedure. I’m keeping busy, taking care of the grandkids, and going to the gym, but I can’t shake the feeling that this might be it.”

Given Tom’s ongoing health issues, I realized that his “This might be it” was very frightening. It was not my job to provide concrete answers or reassurance, so where would I go with “It?” At moments when there are complex intricacies, such as in Tom’s situation, I think of Dr. Erickson’s permission to utilize everything. Or as Jeff Zeig says to be in a “state of readiness” to use whatever the client brings as well as what comes into the therapist’s mind.

In what seemed like only seconds, my mind was filled with ideas. I could not give concrete information, but could I offer Tom something to relieve his anxiety, to tamp down his sympathetic nervous system? It occurred to me to venture outside the traditional box. If not specifically curative, the approach might be soothing for Tom. In the intuitive flow, memories of my great uncle came to mind.

Handsome and over six feet tall, with a strong jaw and a steady, reassuring stride, Uncle Abe had been a doctor in the city where I grew up. When I was a little girl, Uncle Abe made house calls, arriving confident and authoritative with his stethoscope and his otoscope (and a cache of lollipops tucked into his black bag). When deep in diagnostic considerations, Abe’s cheek muscles gave a teeny twitch. Uncle Abe’s presence, his gentle, caring reassurance, and our knowing we would get to pick a lollipop left my sister Gini and me feeling better and trusting we would get better.

Over the many years since Uncle Abe had been gone, I had often channeled him as a healing spirit guide. Now, perhaps a psychic visit from Abe could help Tom. Because Tom was aware of my psychic work, I felt fairly sure he would be open to having my uncle make a channeled house call. I hoped that an uplifting experiential moment might provide an alternative mental and emotional focus that could comfort Tom and replace any obsessive thinking about this latest health issue.

I asked Tom if he would be open to a visit and a healing from Uncle Abe. Intrigued, he agreed and settled into the couch as I induced a gentle hypnotic trance. Seeing Tom responsively absorbed, I said:

“I am inviting my spirit guide Uncle Abe to join us now.

“I welcome you to picture him in your own way, and when ready, imagine Uncle Abe gently placing his hands on your shoulders. As you feel his touch in your way, you may notice a shift in your breathing and a deepening awareness of sensations in your body.”

“I feel warm all over,” Tom responded. “I feel something like a gentle pressure around my pelvic area. It’s comfortable, healing, and warm. It’s okay.”

“Good,” I affirmed. “Now you can continue to breathe normally, just noticing this warm, healing sense of Uncle Abe’s presence and his placing his hands on you. Spend a few moments imagining and sensing in your body the way Uncle Abe’s hands can elicit feelings of comfort that can spread into any part of your body. In a few moments I will welcome you to return gently from trance, coming back refreshed and able to remember these feelings. You can memorize the way it feels to have healing hands laid upon you, and you can bring back these impressions any time later, as you desire.”

Coming back, Tom reported his anxiety to be relieved and his sense of hope improved. I asked him to call me after his procedure.

When the call came, Tom’s bright “Hello” said it all.

The doctor, actually somewhat surprised, had found no evidence of bleeding or pathology. He had pronounced that Tom was fine.

“I think it was that session we had with your uncle!” Tom asserted.

And I’m not sure I would disagree. Who knows really? Was Uncle Abe really there or was it the psychic wisdom in Tom’s own mind that could feel the healing power of imaginary hands the way you can taste an imaginary lemon?

I explained it this way to Tom: “Uncle Abe served as a channel for the psychic, somatic intelligence inside of you. Your body and your mind were the real medicine men. With your psychic mind allowing the felt sense of Uncle Abe’s touch, your body experienced whatever healing was in the imaginary hands, drawing on your body’s innate capacity and intelligence for improvement. Now as you absorb the memory of this experience into your mind/body, you can call upon Uncle Abe’s psychic medicine as many times as you wish.”

Dynamic Magick: Putting Ideas Together

Whether the vast resources of the inner mind are called the unconscious mind, the wise mind, the intuitive mind, or the psychic mind, the mind-that-knows is a font of wisdom and a vital feature of your enterprise as a clinician.

By listening, sensing, receiving, and reading you will have greater insight about what is going on with the client, what is happening within yourself, and how to best intervene in a given session. You will become more effective at helping clients choose more effective coping options, increase stress management capacity, experience problem-solving epiphanies, find relief from self-defeating patterns of thinking and behaving, and increase creativity.

Herb Dewey taught me to use psychic ability as part of counseling skill. Herb loved the drama of the magick, which he called the shmaltz or the pizzazz. And he was serious about the counseling, about helping others in an accepting, non-threatening, and non-shaming way. Similarly, Milton Erickson put great value on respecting all messages from the client and never taking away choice.

My intention is to utilize everything I have as a therapist, including aspects of psychic arts along with clinical skills in every session, based always on the needs, beliefs, and personal maps that a client brings in. Whatever your objectives may be, utilizing your intuitive abilities can empower the therapeutic magick that will motivate your clients to heal from inside out.

If it is your goal to help clients use their own inner resources for mental, emotional, or behavioral healing, why would you not want to attune to and access the healing wisdom available from your own intuitive mind? And why would you not want to use everything you have available to help yourself be more therapeutically effective and help your clients feel better?

As you affirm and access the breadth and depth of your psychic knowing, you will become more attuned to the unique personalities, personal world views, and therapeutic needs of your patients as they absorb and integrate the wisdom you offer. The following short excerpt from the case of Emily presents another example of utilization of the psychic mind.

Emily Tunes In

Trying to manage a large men’s store while dealing with a variety of personal health and family issues, Emily had been in a chronic state of high velocity distress. However, on this particular day she surprised me, coming into the office with light and lively steps. And she was laughing.

“I was at my wit’s end last week at the store,” Emily reported. Remember how we channeled my mother when my husband was sick? Well, I decided to channel you! I imagined sitting with you here in the office, but I switched it. I made me you and you me. Then I put you into that place in the inner mind where you, or I, or both of us could just let it all go, like we do when we have a good laugh together. So, what I am saying is that it was just like the time when John was in the hospital. Remember how we pictured him having no blood clots — and the doctor was surprised that the ones they thought he had had gone away? Remember how upset I was? You had me channel my mother and she told me that I was going to be able to handle everything — and I did handle it.

“Well, this time when the store was crazy, I channeled you and you said I could handle it. And it worked, I handled it all — and I feel great!”

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Intuitive attunement and receptive access each have a particular phenomenology. In the same way, conscious contemplation of unconscious resources and cultivation of the experience of receptivity will make you even more adept at tuning into and accessing the virtually limitless flow of information that comprises your psychic mind — and your own brand of magick.

This essay appears as chapter 7 in, Other Realms, Other Ways: A Clinician’s Guide to the Magick of Intuition, published by Iantella books, and reprinted with the permission of its author, Bette Freedson.?  

Ethical & Legal Considerations in Using ChatGPT as an Aid for Clinical Diagnosis

As psychologists, our mission often treads a tightrope of diagnostic precision and ethical consideration. The emergence of artificial intelligence (AI), particularly language models like ChatGPT, introduces an exciting yet complex layer to this balancing act. Such innovations have been lauded for their diagnostic acumen but also raise questions about legal implications and ethical stewardship. For this reason, I think it is important to explore the current state of AI applications in behavioral health, focusing on ChatGPT’s diagnostic capabilities as an aid to rendering a clinical diagnosis. In doing so, I hope to engage you in a thoughtful discourse about the ethical and legal dimensions of embracing AI in psychological practice.

Recent Literature on ChatGPT and Diagnostic Accuracy

A foundational study led by Mass General Brigham revealed that ChatGPT displayed a diagnostic accuracy of 72% across multiple medical specialties, even likening its performance to that of recent medical school graduates. Similarly, researchers at Queen Mary Hospital’s Division of Geriatrics investigated the efficacy of Generative Pre-trained Transformer 4 (GPT-4) in diagnosing older patients, citing an accuracy of 66.7% for primary diagnoses. These findings signify the AI’s prowess but also underscore the necessity for additional benchmarking and regulatory oversight.

In the context of behavioral health, Hilty and colleagues employed natural language processing to quantify linguistic features associated with mental and neurocognitive disorders. They advocated for using large datasets to enhance diagnostic objectivity, a mission that aligns well with the capabilities of ChatGPT. Salih Tutun and their colleagues discussed ethical frameworks that must be established to guide AI’s role in mental health, emphasizing the need for innovative yet ethically responsible diagnostic tools developed in line with guidelines for integrating ethical approaches to designing AI.

A Foray into ChatGPT’s Diagnostic Utility in Behavioral Health

To demonstrate AI’s capacity to enrich clinical thinking, I asked ChatGPT-4 to generate potential Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) diagnoses based on a specific behavior pattern. The result is offered below.

Prompt #1: What are possible DSM diagnoses for someone who is easily wounded, drinks alcohol to the point of being unable to show up for work, gets angry quickly, has poor boundaries, is marginally employed, is in debt, and is unsuccessful in romantic relationships?

The 1st ChatGPT Response

The following response (in italics) was obtained verbatim. As you read the response, consider whether it would be helpful, legal, and ethical for you to be able to enter a behavioral prompt (question posed to ChatGPT) to get this type of response:

It appears that the individual in question may be exhibiting several symptoms that could potentially align with various Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) diagnoses. It’s important to note that making an accurate diagnosis requires a comprehensive assessment by a qualified mental health professional. However, based on the information provided, several potential DSM diagnoses could be considered:

Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED). Intermittent Explosive Disorder involves recurrent outbursts of anger that are disproportionate to the situation and often result in aggressive behavior or destruction of property. Individuals with IED struggle to control their anger impulses, and this may negatively impact their relationships and work life.

Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). BPD is characterized by emotional dysregulation, unstable relationships, poor self-image, and impulsive behaviors. Individuals with BPD may experience intense anger and have difficulty managing their emotions. Poor boundaries and struggles in romantic relationships align with BPD features.

Alcohol Use Disorder (AUD). Excessive alcohol consumption, to the point of impairing daily functioning and causing absence from work, could indicate an Alcohol Use Disorder. This diagnosis would be based on criteria such as loss of control over drinking, unsuccessful attempts to cut down, and continued use despite negative consequences.

Depressive Disorder. The individual’s difficulty in managing anger, poor boundaries, and struggles in relationships could be associated with a Depressive Disorder. Depression can manifest as irritability and impaired social functioning, impacting both work and personal life.

Generalized Anxiety Disorder (GAD). Poor boundaries, being easily wounded, and difficulties in relationships might also be indicative of Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Chronic worry, heightened sensitivity to criticism, and interpersonal difficulties can be features of GAD.

Unspecified Personality Disorder. The individual’s challenges in maintaining boundaries, unstable relationships, and difficulties in employment could suggest the presence of a personality disorder that does not neatly fit within one specific category.

It’s crucial to emphasize that these are preliminary considerations and not a substitute for professional evaluation. A comprehensive assessment by a licensed mental health practitioner is essential for accurate diagnosis and appropriate treatment. The provided descriptions should not replace personalized clinical advice, and any diagnostic conclusions should be made by a qualified professional after a thorough evaluation.

Prompt #2: Which characteristics would need to be evaluated to make a differential diagnosis between the above possible diagnoses?

The 2nd ChatGPT Response
To differentiate between the potential diagnoses mentioned earlier (Intermittent Explosive Disorder, Borderline Personality Disorder, Alcohol Use Disorder, Depressive Disorder, Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and Unspecified Personality Disorder), a thorough assessment of various characteristics and factors is essential. It’s important to consider a combination of clinical interviews, self-report assessments, collateral information from family or close contacts, and possibly psychological testing. Here are some key characteristics that need to be evaluated to make a more accurate differential diagnosis:

Frequency and Intensity of Anger Episodes. For Intermittent Explosive Disorder, the frequency, intensity, and context of anger outbursts need to be evaluated. Determining whether the anger reactions are disproportionate and recurrent is crucial.

Emotional Instability and Impulsivity. Borderline Personality Disorder is characterized by emotional instability, impulsive behaviors, and unstable relationships. Assessing the pattern of emotional shifts, impulsive actions, and unstable sense of self is important. Alcohol Consumption Patterns. For Alcohol Use Disorder, an assessment of the individual’s alcohol consumption patterns, including frequency, quantity, and impact on functioning, is necessary. Evaluation of withdrawal symptoms, unsuccessful attempts to quit, and continued use despite negative consequences is important.

Presence of Depressive Symptoms. Depressive Disorder involves a range of symptoms beyond irritability, such as low mood, changes in appetite, sleep disturbances, and feelings of worthlessness. A thorough assessment of depressive symptoms is needed to consider this diagnosis.

Excessive Worry and Anxiety. In Generalized Anxiety Disorder, persistent and excessive worry about a variety of topics is a hallmark. Evaluating the extent of worry, physical symptoms of anxiety, and impact on daily life is crucial.

Impaired Interpersonal Functioning and Boundaries. Assessing the individual’s ability to establish and maintain healthy boundaries, as well as the quality of their relationships, can help differentiate between various disorders. An examination of interpersonal dynamics is particularly relevant for personality disorders.

Duration and Chronicity. Evaluating the duration and chronicity of symptoms is important. Some disorders, like personality disorders, involve longstanding patterns of behavior, while others might have more episodic presentations.

Family and Developmental History. Gathering information about the individual’s developmental history, family dynamics, early life experiences, and any history of trauma or adverse events can provide insights into potential underlying factors.

Response to Treatment. Observing how the individual responds to interventions, therapy, or medication can help in refining the diagnosis over time. Different disorders may respond differently to specific treatments.

Rule Out Medical and Substance-Related Factors. It’s important to acknowledge that medical and physical factors can indeed contribute to or mimic psychological symptoms. When evaluating an individual with behavioral and emotional concerns, considering potential medical conditions is a crucial aspect of a comprehensive assessment.

Need for Medical Evaluation. Given the individual’s symptoms, it’s advisable to conduct a thorough medical evaluation to rule out any underlying medical conditions that could be contributing to the symptoms. Medical conditions such as hormonal imbalances, thyroid issues, neurological disorders, or even medication side effects can impact mood and behavior.

In a comprehensive assessment, both psychological and medical factors should be taken into account. If an individual is experiencing significant psychological distress, it’s recommended to consult both a mental health professional and a medical doctor to ensure a comprehensive understanding of the situation and to consider all potential contributing factors. Remember that an accurate diagnosis often requires a multidimensional approach, and it’s not uncommon for individuals to have overlapping symptoms or co-occurring disorders. A licensed mental health professional with experience in assessment and diagnosis should guide the process, integrating various sources of information to arrive at the most appropriate diagnosis.

Ethical and Legal Caveats in Using ChatGPT

This demonstration is but one of many examples where ChatGPT can be used to broaden the clinician’s thinking about possible diagnoses to consider, as well as different avenues to explore to gather additional relevant information.

Despite its promise, ChatGPT is not without challenges. The AI model can inadvertently exhibit social prejudice and toxicity, thereby warranting rigorous oversight from clinicians. Furthermore, the legal ambiguities surrounding liability remain unresolved, especially when ChatGPT diagnoses are used as standalone evaluations. Multicultural and diversity issues, and protected health information were intentionally excluded from this demonstration.

ChatGPT and similar AI models serve best as adjuncts rather than replacements for human expertise. The current state of these tools does not support their verbatim use in clinical settings. If you’re contemplating the incorporation of ChatGPT into your practice, seek advice from your malpractice carrier’s attorney, your state or national psychological association’s legal office, or the APA Division 5, the Division of Psychometrics and Quantitative Psychology. If these groups don’t offer anything yet, get involved and start something as part of their group. Depending on your circumstance, independent legal counsel may also be advisable.

Telehealth.org also offers Continuing Medical Education (CME) and Continuing Education (CE) courses to guide you in this evolving terrain. Ensuring responsible utilization of ChatGPT in psychological diagnostics requires a confluence of caution, human judgment, and robust regulatory frameworks. As we step into the future of AI-augmented healthcare, let us tread with both anticipation and due diligence.

Disclaimer: This article is written for educational purposes only and should not be construed as legal or clinical advice. The information contained in this article was sourced from a telehealth.org blogpost titled, ChatGPT Diagnosis: Walking the Tightrope of Legality and Ethics found here and is re-printed with the author’s permission.

Using A Holistic Approach to Therapy with Clients Experiencing Chronic Illness, Disability, and Mental Health Challenges

Prevalence of Chronic Illness/Disability in the United States

The presumption that “typical” abilities and wellness encompass the norm is a viewpoint that pervades United States policies, infrastructures, and societal expectations. The reality is that the majority of the US population grapples with chronic illnesses and disabilities, challenging the conventional definition of “normalcy.” While many associate illness with isolated incidents, dramatic and prolonged interruptions in otherwise regular lives — along with the prevalence of chronic conditions — indicates that illness is, in fact, more typical of the human experience than not.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and the Rand Corporation, over half of Americans (51.8%) contend with at least one chronic condition, whether physical or mental. Some estimates are that 42% of the population faces multiple chronic conditions. By comparison, according to the European Council of the EU, one in four, or 25% of European adults live with a chronic illness/disability. These statistics not only reveal the widespread impact of chronic illness but also emphasize the need to shift cultural perspectives surrounding health and ability. To be absolutely clear, in the United States, chronic conditions are the norm, not the exception. In his recent book “The Myth of the Normal,” Gabor Maté challenges prevailing notions of normalcy and underscores the ubiquity of trauma and illness within the diversity of human experiences. Exploring biopsychosocial aspects of chronic illness and disability, Maté exposes fundamentally unhealthy cultural constructs that shape our understanding of what it means to be “normal.” Moreover, in response to an unhealthy environment, Maté asserts that illness is a valid response. His work resonates deeply with my practice, as it highlights the importance of acknowledging the sequelae of trauma in the vast spectrum of human existence.  

As a Clinical Rehabilitation Counselor, my training encompasses both the medical and psychosocial aspects of chronic illness and disability. Moreover, my own personal journey as a cancer survivor and someone diagnosed with Crohn's disease enables me to meet clients from a perspective of lived experience. This experience underscores the importance I place on applying a comprehensive holistic approach to mental health in the context of chronic conditions many of my clients experience. My work in a small group practice specializing in supporting clients with trauma, chronic illness, and disability is a testament to the prevalence of such experiences.

Within my caseload, 95% of clients navigate the challenges of multiple chronic physical and mental conditions, often relying on state-subsidized insurance for healthcare. Among these individuals, approximately 60% identify as female, 25% as gender fluid or transgender, and 15% as male. Their narratives underscore the multifaceted nature of dependence and autonomy across various dimensions of life. From physical and financial to emotional and sexual realms, the complexities of living with chronic conditions influence every aspect of their existence.

For individuals grappling with chronic illness, the connection between past trauma and present health challenges cannot be overlooked. More often than not, these clients report elevated Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) scores, revealing a complex interplay between past trauma and present health challenges. My integrative approach encompassing trauma-informed care, empathy, empowerment, and holistic healing includes attention to my client’s experience of their body. Attention to physical sensations including interoception and proprioception, breath, movement, and reflex patterns, allows me to guide them towards a path of resilience, self-acceptance, and well-being. Recognizing the intricate threads that weave together past experiences, present struggles, and future aspirations creates a space where my clients feel heard and equipped to navigate the complexities of their health journey with resilience and clarity. 

Relationships and Chronic Illness/Disability

One of the prevailing challenges faced by individuals with whom I work who have chronic illness and disability shows up in power dynamics within close relationships. Dependence on a partner for various types of support including financial and logistical, coupled with chronic pain and the struggle to balance gratitude and self-worth, can erode an individual's sense of agency. For those grappling with conditions such as Crohn's disease, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, or rheumatoid arthritis, the unpredictability of their conditions makes planning for the future a daunting task. As a result, vacations, celebrations, and even daily routines are frequently disrupted. The demands of work often deplete their energy, leaving their partners to shoulder the responsibilities of managing a household and caring for children. The strain on intimacy and sexual relationships adds another layer of complexity.  

Partners of those with chronic illness and disability experience their own set of challenges, leading to feelings of frustration and helplessness. Their desire to provide support can transform into a sense of powerlessness as they navigate the complexities of medical interventions, lifestyle changes, and emotional well-being. The dynamic between partners can quickly shift from a place of caring support to caregiver exhaustion and burnout, a source of resentment that creates a cycle of mutual dissatisfaction.

In my therapeutic practice, it is not uncommon for clients to request involving their partners in sessions. Drawing from my unique perspective as someone who navigates a chronic illness while also being a partner to someone with health challenges, I provide insight that resonates with their experiences. This shared understanding fosters open dialogues that explore the intricacies of relationships within the context of chronic conditions.

One poignant example underscores the profound impact of childhood experiences on an individual's journey. A client shared a harrowing memory of their father monitoring their food intake during meals — threatening punishment if they exceeded a prescribed number of bites. This history of food-related trauma has woven itself into their present struggles with Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO), a condition marked by pain, diarrhea, gas, and bloating due to bacterial overgrowth in the small intestine. While the impulse to connect trauma to illness is compelling, the client's journey also involves a series of infections necessitating antibiotic treatment over time.

This client’s partner, in their well-intentioned efforts to support, inadvertently triggers their traumatic memories when attempting to manage the client’s food choices. The need for a restrictive diet as part of SIBO treatment further compounds their emotional turmoil, fostering feelings of deprivation and punishment as they strive to heal. Addressing this intricate interplay of trauma and health within the therapeutic space requires a delicate balance.

In a joint session involving both the client and their partner, I employed empathetic communication to navigate their complex dynamic. While acknowledging the partner’s genuine desire to provide assistance, I simultaneously asserted the client’s agency and authority over their own body and treatment. Employing the metaphor of the client as the “captain of their ship,” I emphasized that their body is their vessel, and they remain firmly in control. This approach is of paramount importance, particularly for individuals who already feel a sense of bodily discord and lack of control.

Additionally, it is helpful to recognize the partner’s role in the client’s healing journey. Acknowledging the partner’s commitment to honoring the client’s autonomy becomes an act of spiritual significance, aligning with their broader values. This dual recognition — empowering the client’s autonomy while honoring the partner’s supportive stance — fosters a therapeutic environment that not only addresses the physical aspects of chronic illness but also attends to the emotional, psychological, and relational dimensions.

In another case, my client grappled with chronic Lyme Disease within a relationship plagued with communication challenges, describing their partner as “unresponsive.” When they came for a family session whose purpose was to help them talk about the ramifications of her disease, I realized her partner was very likely on the spectrum. Though not his counselor, I was able to introduce both of them to this possibility, explain how this might be contributing to their difficulties, and help him connect with a counselor of his own.

Finances, Work, and Future Self in Chronic illness/Disability

For those clients navigating a chronic condition on their own, their lives are often precariously situated on what feels like the brink of financial ruin and collapse. With chronic pain or with an unpredictable condition exacerbated by stress, work is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it may confer some security, sense of accomplishment, and self worth. On the other hand, it may aggravate certain illnesses by contributing to stress and may prevent people from qualifying for federal or state aid.

Most of my clients with chronic illness have applied for disability and are on their second or third appeals. They hang in a limbo where making money can compromise what little chance they have. Barring paralysis or a progressive condition, their chances of receiving disability are slim to none. These clients often seek work they can do from home. They are unwilling to take on student loans because of the precarity of their health. Some earn a living from piecemealing several jobs.

Whenever possible, I try to coordinate care with vocational rehabilitation (VR) services offered by the state which helps people find and obtain work suitable to their strengths and limitations.  

In one case of a client with chronic depression and difficulties which led to him losing his job, I advocated for him to receive a neuropsychological evaluation. Both the client and I felt he was on the spectrum. This enabled him to receive help from VR for job placement and support. By helping him find work that made use of his strengths while limiting his interactions with people, his depression improved along with his self-esteem. Whether living with a chronic physical or mental condition, it is important to remember everyone has strengths as well as limitations.  

Moreover, chronic illness, disability, chronic pain, and trauma can profoundly alter one’s sense of self. As mentioned earlier, the challenges posed by unpredictable and intermittent conditions make it challenging for individuals to plan for their future. This absence of foresight can have far-reaching consequences, undermining clients’ ability to envision a future version of themselves — a capacity often taken for granted. This lack of future-oriented thinking leaves clients susceptible to a multitude of setbacks, affecting their physical, mental, reproductive, financial, and educational well-being.

The ability to manage finances is a skill, yet those who lack both financial resources and a sense of their future self tend to make choices that perpetuate their financial struggles, leading to increased poverty. I’ve come to understand that these clients find it difficult to delay immediate rewards for a future date. Without a clear vision of their existence in the next 5-10 years, they prioritize immediate gains, which is understandable.

A client who was in the foster care system and spent a period of time houseless in their teens worked in the food service industry. Though experienced, their lack of formal education meant they often worked under managers with a degree but less actual experience than they had. Frustration with poor management led to frequent job dissatisfaction. Chronic but unpredictable illness limited their ability to work more than 25 hours per week. This kept them stuck in tip-dependent but ultimately unsatisfying work. Their dissatisfaction influenced their feelings about work in general.

During a period of unemployment, I encouraged them to explore alternative options. It became clear that they had only the barest sense of how much money they actually needed to cover expenses. A critical therapeutic intervention involved helping them create a budget in order to more accurately assess the benefits of a job that offered no tips, but more hourly pay. Even at 25 hours/week, they stood to cover their costs better than with sporadic food service work.  

To arouse clients’ sense of possibility, I lean on existential humanistic and Buddhist psychological teachings. None of us knows when we are going to die. People with long-standing conditions, both physical and psychological, live long and productive lives. To come to terms with having a finite amount of time with no sense of how much time is left is an essential human challenge. My clients experience grief over unlived possibilities. These feelings must be acknowledged and included. One client whose career was interrupted by an ependymoma (a spinal tumor that recurred twice) has grappled not only with ensuing disability from the spinal tumor, but ways she never took her career seriously even before the onset of the disease. Often disease itself becomes a catalyst for deeper exploration and participation.

Wellness Culture, Community, and Chronic Illness/Disability

Our culture’s pervasive and inescapable preoccupation with fitness, appearance, and social status is another hurdle facing people with chronic illness or disability. Research has demonstrated the undeniable mental and physical benefits of engaging in exercise and community. But for those who struggle with chronic illness and disability, these arenas are often outside their reach. These clients find themselves frequently isolated by the exigencies of their illness.

Socializing requires energy, and in the face of household or work demands, friendships fall by the wayside. The COVID pandemic resulted in yet another barrier for people with chronic illness and disability who are at risk of more serious infections. For those with mobility issues, opportunities to exercise are limited. One client with Cerebral Palsy receives only 6-10 sessions of physical therapy per calendar year.

Part of providing holistic therapy is helping clients discover ways to include movement and connection in their daily routines. As an example I work with severa,l clients affected by Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS). EDS is a genetic condition that affects collagen, our body’s connective tissue. It ranges from mild involvement that creates hypermobility in the joints, requiring avoidance of extreme movement practices, to so severe it can cause heart and other organ failures.  

I frequently incorporate QiGong movement exercises in sessions, or I provide clients with short videos to follow. QiGong, a 4,000-years-old mindfulness based movement practice used throughout Asia for health maintenance, healing, and longevity, has been shown to mitigate pain, lower cortisol levels, and improve self-efficacy perceptions. The movements are gentle enough to not strain the body, yet require focused attention. They can be performed standing, seated, or supine. 

For those clients who are housebound much of the time, the need for community is often met by online connections. One client maintains an active online presence and connects through advocacy and providing education about their condition. For a trans teen client attending online school however, face-to-face interactions with peers is missing and contributes to their feeling alone. Like many people his age, he’s reluctant to learn to drive, and though he has applied for many kinds of work, he’s not been able to find employment due to his age. These circumstances compound his isolation. Group therapy has sporadically met those needs, but isolation remains a significant issue for those with chronic illness.


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In my personal and clinical experience, addressing the mental health needs of individuals with chronic illness and disability requires a holistic and empathetic approach. As a therapist, I have found it essential to challenge prevailing cultural norms, advocate for the acceptance of diverse abilities, and provide a safe space where clients can explore their unique journeys.

At the outset, chronic illness and trauma can feel like burdensome lead, weighing down the spirit and clouding our sense of self. The challenges posed by these experiences may appear insurmountable, the darkness can be overwhelming. Yet, it’s in the crucible of adversity that a profound alchemical process unfolds.

In essence, the alchemical journey of turning lead into gold mirrors the transformative power of the human spirit when faced with chronic illness and trauma. It reminds us that within the depths of our struggles lies the potential for profound growth, healing, and the emergence of our most radiant and precious selves. By fostering open conversations, cultivating self-advocacy, and nurturing supportive relationships, I, and hopefully fellow clinicians reading this, can empower their clients to embrace their identities and navigate the complexities of life with resilience and grace.   

The Challenges and Rewards of Therapeutic Work with Brain-Injured Clients

Over the course of my career, I have worked with many people who sustained brain injuries. In the 1980s, I worked in a brain injury rehab program set in a nursing home, then in private practice during the 1990s. For many years since, I have been an employed psychotherapist in nursing homes.

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In my experience, those who have acquired a head injury typically display irritability and quick flashes of verbal anger — aspects of “organic personality change.” The individual may be more impulsive, acting prior to thinking about likely consequences, might show less awareness of social boundaries, and have problems with short term memory. Sharing some of their stories will offer you a glimpse into some of the challenges and opportunities I’ve experienced in working with these clients.

Case Illustrations of Clinical Work with Brain-Injured Clients

Douglas

One of the clients I met while working at an in-patient brain injury rehab program was Douglas, who was in his early twenties, and was injured riding his motorcycle while intoxicated. Anger management was a focus of therapy; he often expressed anger over being injured, and at his father for bringing him to the rehab program. One additional task of therapy was to assist him in formulating a new sense of personal identity — as he was not who he had been, and not yet who he was becoming, but was feeling lost and overwhelmed somewhere in the middle. Another goal was to strengthen his motivation to maintain sobriety in the future.

During a psychotherapy session one day he unexpectedly said, “Getting a brain injury was probably the best thing that could have happened to me.”

“Tell me why you say that, Douglas,” I asked.

“Because otherwise I don’t think there was any way I could have stopped drinking.” But that attitude and outcome are not achieved by all people.

Brandt

During the time I was working in private practice, I also provided psychotherapy and consultation with a statewide head injury program in Massachusetts. That was where I met Brandt, who had an alcohol use disorder, and, over time, had acquired three different brain injuries because he was not able to stop drinking.

Brandt had his first head injury on a construction job site when he was under the influence of alcohol. To others in his life, Brandt appeared to have a friendly and outgoing personality. Yet the overly friendly, and often tactless and joking manner he displayed represented “changes of personality” associated with frontal lobe executive dyscontrol due to his first brain injury — when a piece of work equipment struck him in the forehead.

Because of his frontal lobe dysfunctions, Brandt found it difficult to anticipate or perceive likely consequences of his actions, and he might brush off or disregard cautions and advice offered to him by me or others in his life.

His second injury occurred when he had been drinking one night with friends. They ran out of beer, and Brandt jumped into his Volkswagen Beetle and sped off to buy more. He drove too fast around a curve in the road, the car rolled over and he was ejected from the car. He landed unconscious on the ground in the dark.

Brandt awakened and lifted his head, and immediately in front of his face was a gravestone. He had landed in a graveyard! How could there have been a more pointed and dramatic message about where his drinking would lead him? Nonetheless, he continued drinking until he had a third brain injury that resulted in significant disability, and he was moved into a group home for daily care.

Mrs. Kelly

During the period when I worked in private practice and was offering head-injury-related consultations, I went to Chicago for a co-presentation at a brain injury conference. I spoke about brain injury from a professional point of view, and the co-presenter, Mrs. Kelly, talked about the personal experience of living with a brain injury. Driving home one day, Mrs. Kelly had been struck and injured by a drunk driver.

During our presentation, Mrs. Kelly spoke of the life losses and challenges that had resulted from her injury including relearning to walk, talk, conduct daily tasks, the gains that resulted from her rehab, and from the continuing support of her husband, who had accompanied her to Chicago who was always in her company.

I spoke of the common goals and aims of brain injury rehab, and about the work of individual therapy, group therapy, and family or marital therapy following a brain injury. During our talk, we also shared a particularly poignant background to our shared experiences, because Mrs. Kelly had earlier been one of my teachers in high school. Using her characteristic humor, Mrs. Kelly once said to me, “I used to get mad that I keep forgetting things; but then I realized, why get mad, in a few minutes I’ll forget what I was mad about.”

Rose

My mother-in-law, Rose, became ill with dementia and spent the last months of her life in a nursing home close to where we live. She and I sat in a small dining room during a visit one day a few years ago. A nurse’s aide across the room spoke irritably to a female resident in a wheelchair.

Rose watched, and when the aide left the room, she shook her head and said, “I hate it when they talk that way. She spoke to her like she was a has-been. She’s not a has-been, she’s a have-been.”

“That’s such a wise and beautiful thing to say, Rose,” I remarked.

Ronald

Around that time, I had long been working as an employed psychotherapist in nursing homes, and I was then seeing Ronald for psychotherapy in a different nursing home from where Rose resided. Ronald had been a scientist working at a prominent institute in California, and he drove a red convertible sports car — but sometimes too fast, and he sustained a brain injury in a collision.

What remaining family he had was in the Boston area, and so he found himself at a nursing home outside of Boston. Ronald was depressed and angry. He mostly stayed in his room, reading and listening to classical music. He would make derogatory comments about the other residents and the staff.

I told Ronald the story of the wise comment by my mother-in-law, and I challenged him to conduct a scientific experiment over the coming week: to go about the unit and research who the other residents have been in their lives.

The next week as I walked onto the unit, Ronald approached me holding a small notepad. Referring to notes he’d written, and pointing to different residents, he excitedly recounted things he had learned about them.   

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Conducting psychotherapy with brain-injured clients has typically involved some modifications to my typical approach. It has been important for me to remain alert to the psychological consequences of organic brain dysfunction. My approach with these particular clients has been more educational and directive as opposed to my typical non-directive one; teaching about the effects of the injury and providing behavioral guidance and specific suggestions for social functioning. The information I provide in treatment is more concrete, and offered in smaller bits, with frequent repetitions to aid retention and recall.

I have found it to be enormously gratifying to work with these clients and encourage my colleagues to welcome rather than avoid these opportunities. It allowed me the chance to work with clinicians who taught me to appreciate the psychiatric effects of medical conditions. The work also allowed me opportunities to make a positive difference in the lives of persons who had been severely injured, and in the lives of some family members who had been devastated by the injury to their loved one. 

Deciding How to Die: Narrative Therapy in Palliative Care with Someone Considering Stopping Dialysis

Acknowledgements

Thank you Larry Zucker, Aileen Cheshire, Timothy Pilkington, and Catherine Cook for your valuable comments and questions when reading earlier drafts of this story, and David Epston for your encouragement and insights throughout the many iterations.

An Introduction

Living with a life-ending illness can raise questions where there is no clear “right” answer. The following illustration of Narrative Therapy focuses on conversations with a man who was tortured by indecision as he considered whether to stop dialysis. Stopping dialysis would lead to his death. This story of our work together illustrates narrative therapy practices that can help to restore dignity, witness suffering, enhance meaning-making, and offer a person a sense of agency as they approach death. Accompanying the illustration of therapy are footnotes. The footnotes [Ed. Note: To be found in the original article] explain more about my thinking and the ideas behind some of the questions that I asked. They also describe how I have applied ideas drawn from philosophy and Narrative Therapy to practice in palliative care. You can choose to read the story of the therapeutic conversations and the footnotes either together or separately.

Deciding How to Die

“Please would you see Mr. Fionn Williams as soon as possible? He has end-stage kidney disease and is having dialysis three times a week. Fionn is being cared for at home by his son Liam, and Liam’s partner Pete. Every week, Fionn decides to stop dialysis only to change his mind at the last minute. This has been going on for months and he and his family are very distressed. Fionn describes himself as “tortured” by his indecision. Dr. White has discussed stopping dialysis with Fionn and his family a number of times. Fionn knows he doesn’t have long to live, and his quality of life is very poor, however, his indecision continues. Fionn has refused counselling support every time it has been offered, but yesterday, he changed his mind. His family are relieved he has accepted counselling and are waiting for your call.”

I rang Fionn immediately.

Reviving Dignity and Meaning

Fionn’s son Liam greeted me at the front door. Liam was a tall, lean man, in his thirties I guessed, with a welcoming manner. He invited me into a tidy living room to sit down and then excused himself to let Fionn know I had arrived.

Fionn hobbled into the room leaning on Liam. I stood up to greet him and, as he caught my eye, we exchanged a brief acknowledgement. As Fionn came closer, I could hear him breathing heavily. He was dressed in winter pyjamas and a heavy cardigan despite the warmth of the day. The grey hue of his skin and the care with which he nursed his body through each step made him look older than his 74 years. Unlike Liam, who had a deep red beard, Fionn was clean-shaven, but it was easy to see that they were father and son due to their similar statures and light blue eyes.

Liam supported his father into the comfortable looking chair beside me that I had carefully avoided sitting in. Fionn gingerly settled back into the chair and looked at me.

“Are you the one who’s come to analyse me? I’m quite curious to hear what you make of me,” he rasped crisply.

I smiled warmly as I leant forward to shake his hand, choosing to respond to the possibility of humour in his comment and to my hopes for the relationship rather than the crispness of his tone. “My name’s Sasha, I’m one of the counsellors from the hospice. I’m looking forward to talking with you, though I’m more interested to hear what you make of you and your experience.” I was aware that being a 58-year-old woman with a soft voice and a big smile might have added to this introduction some of the care I wished to convey. I was generally just what people expected when they agreed to see a counsellor working for hospice and that could ease our first moments of getting to know each other.

Fionn chuckled. Liam turned to his Dad with his eyebrows raised and a slight smile on his face. In a tone of pleasant surprise he said, “I’ll leave you to it Dad, so you can have some privacy.”

Fionn immediately replied, his voice wobbling as it betrayed the toll even speaking had on him, “No, no, you stay. I haven’t got any secrets from you.”

Liam responded by pulling up a chair so that the three of us sat around the coffee table. “Alright then but I’ll have to leave shortly Dad. I’ve got a few things to do.”

They both then turned and looked at me.

“Would it be OK to begin maybe, with me asking you a bit about yourselves?” I offered tentatively. Liam nodded and, looking at Fionn, I explained further, “… so that I might know a little of who and what matters to you. I find people are so much more than their current situation.”

Fionn’s tone was abrupt. “Sure,” he croaked. Before I could respond, Fionn heaved his body forwards gasping at the air as if unable to get enough of its vital oxygen.

I waited, watching until his breathing eased.

Once Fionn could speak again, he explained, “It’s like this a lot… very hard to breathe… If I start to cough, it’s going to interrupt us. Did they tell you it takes a while to settle it down?”

I wondered if the struggle to breathe was behind the severity with which Fionn expressed himself and reflected that he might be anxious or even afraid. Feeling so sick could be overwhelming and here he was risking meeting a stranger on top of everything else.

I spoke with sincerity looking into Fionn’s faded blue eyes, “I’m sorry I didn’t know that. Thank you for seeing me. If you start to cough, is it OK if I sit with you or is there something else you’d like me to do? I’d like to do whatever is most comfortable for you.”

Fionn’s voice softened. “Just wait for me to stop. I do eventually.”

“I’m happy to wait. I’m in no hurry. Please take all the time you need to be comfortable without worrying about me,” I said warmly, trying to reassure Fionn that he didn’t need to consider me.

I reflected that people often have to cope with the responses of others on top of the symptoms they are managing, and briefly wondered what Fionn’s experience had been.

Liam chipped in with, “Dad has some medication for it but basically nothing can be done. He puts up with a lot.”

Nodding at Fionn in acknowledgement, I considered pursuing what he was putting up with but then thought it might be more useful to come back to it later in the conversation. We didn’t know each other, and I wanted to create with Fionn an entryway into a space where his experience of illness and treatment could be spoken about without compromising his dignity.

Fionn helped me out by indicating where his interest lay.

“Yeah…so we were doing some introductions. What do you want to know?”

Guided by Fionn’s question, I reiterated, “Would you mind telling me a little about yourself to start with perhaps?”

Speaking to the floor, he answered, “Not much to tell… haven’t thought about anything much other than trying to get through each day for ages. Let’s see now…well, for a start you can call me Finn. It’s what my friends call me”.

I smiled appreciatively, thinking of his generosity in extending me his friendship. “Thank you, Finn. Is that Irish?”

“Yeah. My grandparents came out from Ireland.” He lifted his eyes from the floor and focused on a nearby corner.

The Sustaining Power of Music

I turned my head to look with interest.

Finn leant forward, and in spite of his weakness, managed to convey a flicker of enthusiasm. “Played it for years. It had a beautiful mellow sound until last year when I went downhill and couldn’t play it anymore.” Finn hung his head with his body seeming to follow as he collapsed back in his chair.

“What a beautiful instrument. How did you come to learn the cello?”

What could have been a hint of pride entered Finn’s voice as he raised his eyes to meet mine. “My Dad taught me and then I’ve practiced over the years.”

“How old were you when your father began to teach you?” I asked.

“Just a young nipper. Must have been about seven I s’pose”.

“Gee, that’s young. What did your father see in you that made him think he could teach you the cello when you were only seven years old?” I exclaimed.

Finn furrowed his brow thoughtfully. “I s’pose he knew I’d work at it. I’m not one to take something lightly, if you know what I mean. You have to start out young with strings ideally.”

I leant forward to better hear Finn as I asked, “When you say he knew you’d work at it and not take it lightly, would you mind explaining a little more of what you mean?”

“Well….”, Finn hesitated, “Dad knew I’d practice, and you’ve got to do that if you want to learn to play… especially with a stringed instrument. You have to make the notes you see. Even when I was a boy if I set my mind to something, I’d keep going with it.” Again, I noted a glimmer of what could have been pride in Finn’s demeanour. My keen interest must have been evident on my face. When Finn caught my eye, he explained further.

“When I was 4 years old, I decided I wanted to ride an old two-wheeler bike and there was just no way anyone was going to stop me trying. Did it too in the end. Just kept going till I did it.” Finn glanced at me again with a small smile transforming his lined face for an instant.

I responded immediately caught up in the picture he had drawn of himself. “What do you call this ability to keep going with something you want to do?”

“Grit, I guess. I’m a hell of a determined kind of fellow.”

“You sure are, Dad,” Liam echoed.

“What have you come to respect about your Dad’s grit and determination, Liam?” Finn peered at Liam while Liam told a story of Finn never leaving a job unfinished even if it became frustrating and difficult. Liam glanced at Finn as he spoke, seeming to check he was listening.

“Finn, has this ability to apply grit and determination shown up in other areas of your life?”

“Yeah, pretty much everywhere. I would have been dead by now if I hadn’t had it. It’s important to do your best at things and not cop out.” Finn’s certainty suggested to me that this was a quality he valued.

“Would it be too much to ask for another story of you giving of your best with grit and determination?” I enquired, aware Finn had little energy and might want to save it for other matters.

Finn began to give me other examples with Liam chiming in and sharing with me his father’s persistence in living with his disease. When we had gathered a collection of stories of Finn’s grit and determination, I returned to another piece of information he had shared.

“You also mentioned your father taught you the cello as he thought you would enjoy music. Do you think your father had some hopes for you in teaching and encouraging you further into a musical world?”

For a moment, light danced in Finn’s eyes softening the lines of weariness that marked his face. “Music always gave my Dad joy. He loved it and he wanted to pass that on to me. He did too.”

“Like your father, do you get joy from music?” I asked. Finn nodded in agreement. “Is this something you are still able to experience even now when you have so much to contend with?”

“Well, yeah,” Finn said, sounding surprised by himself. “…Especially if I’m listening to the Bach cello suites… beautiful.”

“What does this ability to appreciate music and to feel joy from listening to it give you day to day, especially at this time when you are living with some serious health issues?” I chose to narrow our focus to day-today living to reduce the size of my question.

“There isn’t much that I can do anymore. I used to be a landscape gardener. That’s gone! Liam and Pete keep my garden up for me now. I do appreciate what they do. But every month there’s another thing I can’t do. Listening to music is something that keeps me going I guess.” Resignation was thick in Finn’s tone.

I tried to imagine Finn’s world. “What is it about the experience of listening to music that keeps you going?”

Finn hesitated as he considered. “It takes me to another place.”

I was fascinated. “Would it be OK to ask where it takes you?”

Finn dropped his shoulders and his face relaxed. “Ah…it takes me back to happier times.”

I asked Finn about these happy times, and he responded readily, sharing some treasured memories. I then returned to an earlier thread of the conversation.

“When did you first notice that you could take yourself to another place while listening to music, even when you were unwell and perhaps had the pain and sickness to draw you back?” I framed my question in such a way that Finn might notice this as an ability and something he was doing. I was aware that a person’s experience of illness could rob them of a sense of having influence over their life.

“In the last year or two at dialysis… I couldn’t read… or concentrate… so I listened to music and it made the time better. I got sicker but it was a habit by then and, well, I’d done it every time. I was kind of used to it.”

“Used to it?” I queried, half to myself as I reflected, searching for a link to Finn’s increasing skill as he got less well.

“I’d kind of practiced it I s’pose…,” Finn explained.

My ears pricked up. “You practiced it? How did you go about that?”

“It’s just what I’ve always done. I started doing it more and more. Certain pieces are better than others. The 1812 Overture doesn’t help pain but if I’m feeling like I need a boost, it’s just the trick,” he shared with a small smile.

I furrowed my eyebrows as I reflected on what Finn had just explained. It seemed like he might have developed a number of skills to manage the symptoms he was experiencing and, hoping to draw these possible skills to Finn’s attention, I offered a brief summary for him to consider. “Can I just check that I’ve understood you right?”

I waited for Finn to indicate if it was alright with him for me to proceed. When he nodded with attention, I continued, “Have you worked out which music helps you live with this and have even discovered particular pieces of music are helpful to you at different times depending on how the illness is affecting you?”

“Well, yeah,” Finn exclaimed, looking pleased and surprised at the same time. He glanced at Liam who gave a firm nod and smiled with encouragement.

“And you said you’d practiced. Could you help me understand a bit more about this practice you’ve been doing?”

Liam and I both turned to Finn who looked as if he was enjoying himself. “I found if I knew the piece… well, I was more relaxed, I guess. It was easier to forget the bad stuff and relax… So… I listened to music I liked till I knew every note. It used to help. Not so much now. I’m too far gone now. Listening to music is one thing I can do though. That counts for something. There isn’t much… Liam and Pete sometimes come and sit with me, and we listen together.”

“It’s a nice time together, Dad. We enjoy spending it with you,” Liam added, as if trying to convince his father. Finn raised his eyebrows and gave Liam a tired smile as if he didn’t quite believe what Liam was saying.

I turned to Liam. “What is it that you enjoy about spending time with your Dad?”

“It’s nice to be together as a family…” he replied with a sidelong glance at Finn.

“Liam have you learnt anything from your Dad’s grit and determination or his ability to appreciate music and be taken to another place that has been useful to you in your life?”

Liam let out a big breath as if gathering some resolve. “It’s been enormously important to me. I had a tough time at school. I was bullied a lot. Mum was always supportive, which meant the world to me, but it was Dad who taught me how to keep going and not give in to it.” Finn looked down and shook his head slightly. Liam turned to his father trying to catch his eye and said, “You taught me how to survive, Dad.”

Finn muttered, “Wish I could have done more…I didn’t realise how tough it was for you.”

“Attitudes were different then. You’ve been wonderful since Mum died, having me and Pete here and all. Dad, I survived because of you and Mum. Both of you.”

Finn’s eyes glinted with tears as he reached out to Liam. They clasped hands for a moment. A small smile emerged on Finn’s face and his forehead relaxed. Liam lowered his shoulders and released a breath as he looked again at his father.

“Finn, what is it that you wish you could have done for Liam?”

Finn looked steadily at me but his words were for Liam. “Been there for him… understood more…protected him, I guess. Beth was better at it than me.” He turned awkwardly towards his son, moving his chest carefully around until his eyes eventually found Liam’s.

Liam choked up. He managed to croak, “Oh, Dad. That means a lot,” before emotion silenced him.

We sat together not speaking as we quietly honoured what had passed between Finn and Liam.

After a few minutes Finn began to cough. Liam touched his back lightly waiting patiently for Finn to settle. When they both looked at me indicating their readiness to continue, I asked Finn, “Is there anything in particular you would have liked to have understood, or maybe protected Liam from, that you would like to speak about today?” I was aware that Finn might die at any time and such a question could lead to further acknowledgement and connection that might be helpful for both Finn and Liam.

We continued talking together in this manner. Bit by bit I researched, listening out for what was important to them in their lives, their good intentions, skills, beliefs, and hopes. When we encountered acts of kindness, loyalty, love, and any virtue they might value, I asked more questions. Finn talked about his wife Beth, fatherhood, the important relationships in his life, and his work.

Twenty minutes later, Finn signaled a wish to change the direction of our conversation. “It’s all been taken away, Sasha. Bit by bit. I was an active person with a full life. Now all I’m left with is this terrible sickness.”

Exploring the Impact of Finn’s Illness

Finn seemed to welcome the opportunity to talk. “I’m fainting every day, and this pain…” Without seeming to know what he did, Finn held his ribs. He was clearly uncomfortable but carried on speaking though hopelessness seemed to hover nearby as he spoke. “I never have any energy and I feel so sick I don’t feel like doing anything anyway. I’m so nauseated I can’t eat, or not much. Nothing tastes good. I can’t even sleep and I’m not nice to be with. Irritable. I want to die. I’ve had enough. I want to die.”

He sighed but the reflective pause was denied him as the next moment he coughed and choked, gasping as his face became greyer with every minute. Liam immediately bustled away to get some medication while I stayed providing companionship as Finn struggled to breathe. It took 10 minutes for the medication to settle Finn’s breathing, and longer for him to relax.

Once Finn was comfortable again and his breathing had eased, Liam reluctantly explained that he needed to go. There was medication to pick up and other jobs to do. I thought about the extra work and expense that often came along when someone is very sick.

The front door shut noisily a few minutes later. Finn and I were alone in the quietness of the house.

“You were speaking of how each part of your life is being taken away bit by bit from you and you said you’d had enough and want to die. Would you mind if I asked you a few questions about that?”

“Go ahead,” Finn replied, and I noted the warmth that had become increasingly present in his voice.

“Is there anything in particular that has been taken away that leads to this sense of having enough and wanting to die?”

Finn spoke with energy as he confided, “It’s all of it but mainly that I feel so awful. I wish I’d hurry up and die but I keep waking up every morning and another day starts.”

I tried to convey care in my tone as I responded, “Would you mind explaining a bit more of what you mean when you speak of wishing you would ‘hurry up and die?’”

Finn sighed. “I want to go to bed and not wake up in the morning. Tonight preferably. Every day is a struggle.”

“Could you help me understand what your day-to-day life is like, Finn? Would you be kind enough to walk me through a typical day for you perhaps… so that I can better understand a little of what this struggle is like for you to live with?” I tried to shrink my question about the struggle Finn was experiencing into a more manageable size by offering a time frame, so it wasn’t overwhelming.

Finn shared with me his daily routines. As I listened, I could easily empathise with why he might be feeling like he’d had enough. The effects of being unwell sounded exhausting. Hearing about Finn’s day-to-day life allowed me to gather some detail, and as he talked, I asked him how he responded to each difficulty or symptom he encountered. I noted how eagerly he spoke to me in spite of the fatigue he was managing and the topic of conversation and wondered if he’d had the chance to speak of his efforts in response to the difficulties.

When a pause occurred in the conversation, I checked with him, “How are we going with this conversation, Finn? Are we talking about what you hoped we might, or have I taken us off track?”

Finn relaxed back in his chair. “It’s actually a relief to talk about it, Sasha. I don’t want to worry Liam and it’s different saying it out loud somehow.” I wasn’t surprised by Finn saying that he didn’t want to worry Liam. People I meet often want to protect those they love from the worst of their experience.

“Finn, how would you describe the changes you’ve had to make to your life as a result of this sickness?”

Finn picked at his cardigan meditatively as he considered my question. “It happened gradually. When I first got sick, the dialysis really helped. I felt good and I could enjoy being outside and in the garden. I was able to keep working for quite a few years. But now, I feel terrible all the time. It’s been all downhill. I can’t work of course. I can’t do anything. Liam cooks for me and I have help showering. Last week I started falling. That’s on top of the fainting. And of course, I have to go out to dialysis three times a week. That’s always a huge effort.”

“Could you teach me about your experience of dialysis?” I asked, wondering what it was like for him.

“A taxi comes and picks me up ‘cause Liam and Pete are at work. It takes me to the hospital. All the people having dialysis are in a special room hooked up.” Finn sighed.

A picture formed in my mind. “Do you get to know the other people there?”

“We don’t talk to each other. We just all stay on our beds there. There was one man who would talk to everyone in the room and got people chatting a little but then one day he didn’t come back. I don’t know what happened to him. People do gradually stop coming back but I don’t know exactly why. I wonder about them you know…. have they died or did they decide to stop?

“In the end it’s a bit of the same thing I suppose…” Finn sighed and his shoulders sagged. I had imagined the people all sharing their experience and learning about each other’s lives, maybe finding some support in being together. Finn’s description was a surprise and it contrasted with the stories I had heard from other people. I briefly considered what Finn had told me and thought of asking about the effects of not connecting to the other people receiving dialysis. However, I decided to take another tack which I hoped would be more useful to him.

“May I ask, what were your hopes and intentions when you decided on this routine of attending dialysis three times a week?

“I wanted to live! And I wanted to have a good quality of life…I was pretty sick then. I’d been in and out of hospital, had three operations and endless tests. Beth was alive and we wanted to be able to do things together that we’d planned….and support Liam. It seemed a really good solution at the time. I didn’t hesitate. I wanted to feel well again. The dialysis saved my life… and if I stop, I’ll die.”

I nodded solemnly to acknowledge the magnitude of what he was facing and we both paused for a moment. “…Were your hopes met by the dialysis treatment?”

Finn explained, “Yes, they were at first. I was able to do things with Beth and I felt good”.

“As the years went by, did these hopes and intentions you held for the dialysis shift or change in any way?”

Finn answered me thoughtfully. “They changed without me knowing, if you know what I mean. I got sicker as my disease progressed. I s’pose I’ve just kept on going to dialysis as I don’t want to feel so sick. But then there are side effects as well, not as bad as the disease of course, but bad enough, and the visits to the clinic take a lot of time.” He paused a moment and frowned. “It’s different now. I don’t know what to think. I want to die. Every morning I wake up and I think I’ve had enough. I can’t live like this anymore. I’d rather just not wake up one morning.”

Exploring Finn’s Wish to Die

Finn hung his head. “Well…yeah…that’s right. I know I should stop dialysis, but I can’t seem to make the decision. Yesterday I thought I was going to stop but then I couldn’t go through with it again. I’ve been doing it for months. It’s awful, not just for me. I’m putting Liam and Pete through it too. I’m letting everyone down. I’m such a coward.”

Tears filled his eyes.

I reached out, moved that he would judge himself a coward when such a decision would try most of us deeply. “Would you like to try and figure this out together?”

Finn took out a large handkerchief from a pocket in his cardigan. He dabbed his eyes with the folded hanky before slipping it back into his cardigan. “Yes, yes, that would be good,” he responded looking at me with what might have been a glimmer of hope.

I considered what might be a helpful direction to go in. I was tempted to inquire about Finn’s idea that he was a coward but reflected we might first need to carefully research his experience of decision-making. Perhaps we could unravel some of the ideas that were leading Finn to feel he was letting people down and “should stop dialysis.” He might then be able to arrive at some different ideas about himself. “Would it be OK if I asked you about your thoughts about dialysis and what you want?”

Finn nodded.

“I notice that you said you were thinking that you should stop dialysis. Could you help me understand how you came to think stopping dialysis was something you were supposed to do?”

“Lots of ways. Dr. White said he couldn’t do any more for me than what he’s doing. He said there comes a time when dialysis just doesn’t work so well anymore, and the disease has progressed too far. I know he’s worried about me.

“Last time that I was in hospital some of the ward staff talked to Liam and Pete and said I was so bad that they should try and help me stop. It’s expensive too, and I could be taking someone else’s spot. I feel so terrible, but I just can’t seem to do it.” Finn’s voice tailed off into a whisper. At the same time a pink flush appeared on his neck and began spreading up towards his face.

“It sounds like people are worried about what you are putting up with and there is quite a tide of thought towards thinking it would be a good idea to stop…May I ask you though, Finn, do you have any thoughts about how you would like to go about this last part of your life?”

“I don’t want to be like this, worrying all the time and feeling such a chicken… I don’t know…” Finn rested his head in his hands and looked down at the floor. I waited as he considered what he might want. Eventually he murmured, “I want to be enjoying my life… spend time with Liam and Pete… Quality of life I suppose. The dialysis gave me that for so long. I wanted it then, but it started to change.”

“Can you remember how it began to change?”

“Yeah. It was a few years back and I was admitted to hospital. I started to have a few doubts about it then.”

“Do you remember any experiences or thoughts that led you to having these doubts and perhaps consider that dialysis might not be completely what you wanted?” I asked, wanting to acknowledge the mixture of possibly conflicting feelings as we researched the movement in Finn’s thoughts.

“I guess as I started to have some problems and was less well. After Beth died, I had a few doubts. I started to think I might not want to prolong my life but then I had some projects on, and time kept passing. As the dialysis worked less well, I thought about it more. When I started to feel awful, even though I was having it, I wondered, ‘what was the point?’ Then I got more side effects after each dialysis session. I had to have another operation too and that made me think I might want to stop. But there was stuff to do, and it just stayed in the back of my mind.”

“Would it be OK to ask what happened to the idea that it wasn’t completely what you wanted? Did it stay with you unchanged or did it begin to change over time?”

“As I got sicker, I thought about it more and more, I suppose…now that I think about it. I didn’t know if I could keep going. I got really irritable with everyone…wasn’t nice to live with. I guess I started to think about how bad I was feeling and whether I should keep going all the time.” Mournfully he added, “I want to be able to decide to stop and I can’t.”

I didn’t make any attempt to hide my compassion for Finn from my face or my voice.

“What a terrible position to be in. If you were to describe to someone else this weighing up you have been doing of whether to continue with your life, how big of a decision would they think this was?”

“Huge. It’s the only one I’ve got!” Finn smiled wryly in spite of himself. I nodded in acknowledgement.

“As you both want to die, and at the same time, consider whether you can go on with your life, what do you take into account?”

“I guess it depends how I’m feeling. Most of the time I feel like I can’t even make it through another day I feel so bad…I decide I can’t take it anymore and won’t go to dialysis but then I change my mind again like I did yesterday.”

As I listened to Finn, I noticed that the thought of stopping dialysis seemed to be specifically linked to the feeling he couldn’t bear the symptoms he was experiencing. I decided it might be helpful to gather more information. I also wondered if introducing the idea of possible agency in Finn both “deciding” and “not deciding” to go to dialysis might be useful to him. His description of himself as a coward loomed large in my mind.

“Hmmm…Finn, would you mind walking me through how you came to decide yesterday to stop dialysis and then re-considered and decided to continue?”

“Well…I couldn’t eat yesterday the nausea was so bad. I’d been awake a lot in the night, and I was feeling so terrible. All I could do was sit in my chair. I’d had enough… It felt like I couldn’t go on. So, I decided I wouldn’t go. But then I changed my mind at the last minute again. Made me late…”

Concentrating hard I asked him, “Could you walk me through sitting in your chair to you deciding to go to dialysis?”

“I was sitting in my chair feeling so terrible I wanted to die… and then Sue, the wife of an old friend, came to the house with a cake. I couldn’t eat any of course. Then I sat in my chair. And…half an hour later I thought maybe I’d go.”

“What sort of cake did Sue bring?”

Finn raised his eyebrows. “It was a chocolate cake she’d made.”

I reflected on Sue’s kindness. “Did she make it especially for you?”

The pace of Finn’s speech quickened, “Yeah, she did. Nice person. She often pops in with my mate or sometimes on her own with some cooking and we have a chat. She’s a sympathetic woman.”

“May I ask what difference it made to you to have Sue pop in with a cake she had baked especially for you and have her stay for a bit of a chat?”

“I dunno. I guess it felt like life wasn’t so bad maybe.” Finn sat up a little straighter in his chair.

“What was it about your life in that moment that made it seem ‘not so bad?’” I asked, collecting more details.

Finn spoke with gratitude, “There are good people around. Kind people who are interested in me I s’pose. Makes me think life isn’t so bad after all.”

“How would you say feeling ‘life wasn’t so bad after all’ influenced the way you felt about going to dialysis?”

“Well…I do wish I didn’t wake up this morning but yesterday, well, I felt I could go on, that things weren’t so bad…and… so I went to dialysis,” Finn replied meditatively.

“Do you both want to die and value some of what your life gives you?”, I persisted.

Energy penetrated Finn’s voice, “Well…yeah! I never thought about it like that.”

“Would it be OK if you gave me another example of you re-deciding to continue on with your life?” I asked, intending to examine this idea further.

Finn began to give me examples of him deciding to stop dialysis and die because he felt he could no longer go on, and then finding some reason to continue on with his life. Sometimes it was a gift from someone, a kind act, a moment of respite from the symptoms he was living with, or even a phone call. I discovered that he was skilled at finding things to appreciate and reasons to continue with his life.

“Finn, do you both want to die and value some of your life?” I repeated with a smile.

He responded, “Well, yeah. It doesn’t sound like it makes sense but yeah!”

“When you start to feel overwhelmed by the symptoms of the illness or the side effects of dialysis, what happens to this valuing of your life?”

“I don’t know. I lose it… I feel overwhelmed. Then someone does something nice and I remember it again.” Finn looked up with a small smile on his face. I noticed with admiration his gratitude for the people in his life.

I was tempted to research more about this value Finn held for his life, but time was running out and he was starting to look fatigued. I made a mental note to return to it if we met again and instead decided to pursue the way he described himself.

“Finn, you described yourself earlier as a coward. Would it be OK to ask you what your understanding of a coward is?”

“Someone who runs away…is chicken and doesn’t face things,” he muttered, a bit shamefaced.

Slowly, I summarised a little of our conversation. Finn nodded as I recapped, “You’ve talked about wanting to die and deciding to stop dialysis…but then being reminded of the value you hold for your life by appreciating someone or something, and then re-deciding to continue with your life by going to dialysis. Would you describe this as running away from death — as cowardly — or is it perhaps closer to moving towards living, appreciating it, and being connected to what you hold dear?”

Finn stared at me wide eyed. He managed to stutter, “Well…yeah, my life…yeah, I’m doing that…not running away…no, not running…”

I repeated my question, offering a little more for him to consider. “Are you valuing and respecting your life even as you wish to die?” Finn nodded. “Does that valuing perhaps connect you to living and make ‘having a hand’ in the timing of your own death more difficult to contemplate than most of us could possibly imagine?”

Finn nodded again. Tears flowed down his face as he stared at me unblinking. He reached into his pocket for his handkerchief.

“I’m not a coward,” he croaked.

We sat together with Finn mopping his face with his handkerchief. He sat, no longer hunched or downcast, but upright, making eye contact with me from time to time as he continued to pat his skin dry. Every now and then his face lightened, and a small smile emerged.

In a whisper he repeated to himself as he patted the tears away, “No…I’m not a coward…”

We were coming to the end of our time together and I noticed Finn was beginning to look weary. After a few more minutes of conversation I finally checked, “Is this a good place to stop?”

“Yeah. It probably is.”

Tentatively I asked, “Would you like to meet again?”

“Oh, yes. Can you come back soon? In a few days?”

I was aware that Finn could die at any time or in the next few weeks. Time has a different meaning when someone is approaching death and that meaning has a role in shaping the gap between counselling meetings as well as the length of them. I looked up from my diary and smiled at Finn, “I’ll be back at work on Wednesday. That’s five days. How does that suit you?”

“Yeah, yeah. Come back then,” he answered hastily returning my smile.

Getting Curious About Fear

“I’m still here,” Finn stated ruefully. His voice scratched over the words as he explained, “I knew I’d go for treatment this week. I nearly couldn’t get out the door. I was vomiting and it was almost too much, but somehow I managed…your hospice doctor visited afterwards and it’s better now…”

My speech slowed to match his. “How did you know you’d go for treatment?”

Finn’s eyes twinkled. “I pretty much decided after you left last time. I figured I needed a bit more time to work things out.”

I gave a small smile in return. “What made you think that it might be helpful to give yourself a bit more time to work things out?”

Finn immediately looked serious. “I’ve been wondering…You must have seen people like me. I feel so bad now…how much worse is it going to get? I’m kind of wondering about what it might be like…you know, dying…” Finn’s voice trailed off. His face was drawn and tense. I could see a pulse at his temple moving his papery skin rapidly in and out.

I wondered if fear could be playing a role in making it difficult for Finn to know what he wanted. “Would it be helpful to talk about your wonderings about dying?”

Finn raised his chin though his voice had a tremor, “Yeah…might be.”

“Is it OK to ask which part of dying you have been wondering about?” Some people I meet with are more worried about the process of dying while for others their biggest concern may be about how family will cope or what it might mean to be no longer alive. I didn’t know where Finn’s attention was focused.

Finn drew his eyebrows together and shifted in his chair. “The dying part. It’ll all be over when I’m dead. I guess I’m wondering what it’s going to be like…might not be too good…might be painful.” He looked up at me with wide eyes.

I was aware from the hospice doctors that Finn might feel very sick when he stopped dialysis but the medical staff had also spoken of what could be done to help Finn. Dr. MacDonald had also told me that this information had been explained to Finn many times. With this in mind, I wondered if it might be helpful to draw out the narrative of what could be done to support Finn.

“What did the doctor say they could do to help you should you start to feel sick coming off dialysis?”

“She talked about one of those pumps…that make you relaxed and give you pain relief all the time…” He glanced at me as if checking this was true. I nodded in response.

Finn and I continued to talk. As we spoke, it became apparent that he was now voicing fears and considering the end of his life in a way that until now he had not been able to. Finn repeated to me the information he had been given by the doctor. As we revisited what Finn remembered it seemed to reassure him. It was as if Finn had been unable to consider and absorb the information until that moment, he uttered the information himself.

Finn rounded our discussion off with, “I’ve just got to decide and follow through with it… whichever way.”

“Would it be OK if I asked you about this desire of yours to make a decision and to follow through with it? Have I got that right?”

Finn nodded. “Yeah, that’s right. Sure.”

“What makes it important to you to decide and then follow through?” We both knew he didn’t have long to live regardless of whether he stopped dialysis or not.

I looked over at Finn who was shifting stiffly in his chair. Noticing he had more to manage than just my question, I elaborated a little, conveying in my tone as much care as possible. “If you were to die, say in your sleep having decided not to decide one way or another about going to dialysis, how would that sit with you for example?”

Mournfully, Finn intoned, “My soul would know. I’d die feeling like I’d copped out and I hadn’t looked after Liam and Pete. It’s hurting them. I have to decide one way or the other. I feel like I can’t live properly while I can’t decide. It’s with me all the time.”

“Mmm…” I empathised, my complete attention on every word. “What do you imagine it might feel like to have made a decision about what you want to do?”

Finn sighed. “Peaceful…”

“If you were to decide, how would you know if it was a decision that you would want to follow through on? That it was a decision to be acted on?”

“I guess I would know if it was my decision and I thought it was the right thing to do. Not what someone else thought was right but what I thought. I’ve been thinking about what I told you last time.”

“How would you recognise a decision that was yours and right for you?”

“I would feel it in here,” he replied, putting his hand over his heart, “…not in my head. I wouldn’t worry all the time.”

I considered asking Finn if he could envisage any steps that might take him in the direction of deciding but wondered if it might be too hard of a question, which would not be helpful. As I was pondering, Finn repositioned himself again in his chair groaning quietly with each movement. “I just feel so bad, Sasha. I’m so tired from all this. It’s gone on and on. Everything’s a struggle.” He sighed heavily.

“Which parts of the struggle are you noticing as we talk, Finn?”

“It’s the pain. I can’t seem to get away from it today,” he groaned. Rather than ask him about the pain which had already been canvased in depth by the two of us earlier, I enquired, “Finn, what keeps you going day to day when you are living with pain that you can’t get away from as well as many other challenges caused by this illness?”

“It doesn’t feel like I’ve got a choice, Sasha. I just keep on keeping on like I’ve always done.” I waited as he seemed to contemplate. A small smile crept onto Finn’s face. “There’s one thing though. See those buds there?” he said, pointing to some bulbs outside the window. “I’m waiting for them to flower.”

“What is it about waiting for the buds to flower that has you keeping on with your life?” I wondered, curious.

“You just never know exactly how they are going to flower and that moment when the petals unfold…so beautiful.” Light crept into Finn’s eyes and his brow relaxed as he talked about the plants he had delighted in nurturing most of his life. I was fascinated by his ability to appreciate beauty and asked him about it. When he had concluded I decided to research further.

“What else supports you to keep going as you manage this disease?”

Apologetically, Finn explained, “I’ve never watched much TV, but Pete and I have been watching Downton Abbey together. We both like it. I keep wondering if Edith’s going to be alright.”

I grinned. I wanted to know too!

As we talked, I reflected that there were many aspects of Finn’s life he had found a way to enjoy. As the list grew longer, I marvelled at his ability to adapt to his circumstances. If I had guessed at that moment, I would have imagined Finn would decide to continue with dialysis for as long as possible.

I finally asked him, “You have spoken of finding ways of enjoying parts of your life in spite of all that you are managing, of things you are looking forward to and times of companionship. Is there anything you’d like to add that’s important to you in the keeping on going?”

Finn screwed up his face concentrating. After a pause he said with generosity, “Well…Liam is important… and Pete his partner. I want them to be happy.”

I could see Finn was tiring. He had begun to cough, and his speech had slowed. I carefully summarised what we had covered, checking with him as I spoke. We then arranged another time to meet the following week.

As I picked up my bag and got ready to leave, I turned at the door to say a final goodbye. Finn smiled at me. In what could have been a mischievous tone, he sent me on my way with, “You know, Sasha….I have hope for my life!” His smile became a grin and I left, uplifted by the manner of his goodbye.

Deciding To Die

Five days later I sat in the morning meeting unable to focus. I heard conversations around me but they passed me by. All I could think of was the news that had greeted me when I walked in the door. Finn was in the hospice inpatient unit. He had decided to stop dialysis. Finn was dying. As the news reverberated through me, some of the staff offered their praise. They understood Finn’s decision as the right one given his poor quality of life.

“That’s good work you’ve done, Sasha. That poor man was suffering so much,” a colleague said.

The kind words didn’t ease my mind though. Dominating my thoughts was the question, “Was this what Finn truly wanted? Was it right for him?” My internal agitation made its way to the surface, and I moved restlessly in my chair. I could hardly believe Finn’s swift change of heart. “What had happened? How had he come to decide?”

I had met with many people who were considering treatment options they had been offered by their doctors. I often created spaces in which a person could discuss how they wanted to approach the end of their life. What was it that had me quite so unsure this time? Was it the rapid time over which this had all occurred? I thought about Finn saying to me, “I have hope for my life” as I had left his house only the week before. I knew I had held no preference as to what Finn should do, but what effect, if any, had our conversations had on his decision-making? I resolved to make sure Finn was doing what he truly wanted.

I almost ran downstairs to my office, checking my diary as I went. As I made my way through the hospice inpatient unit, I asked one of the nurses to enquire if Finn would like to see me. When I arrived in my office the answer was already waiting for me on the answerphone. Finn and Liam were keen to meet with me.

I knocked on the door to Finn’s room in the late morning. Finn was lying in bed in his pyjamas. His head peeped out of the bedclothes, the white of the sheets drawing my attention to his pallor.

“Hi, Finn.”

“You found me alright, then. Thought you might go to the house…” he rasped. Finn’s mouth turned up as he attempted a smile. He seemed to have forgotten that I had arranged this meeting with them only hours ago.

Liam’s eyes shone with tears as he explained, “We arrived yesterday morning. Dad’s been getting worse every day. He’s a bit confused at times. They say he’s only got a day or two maybe…”

Tentatively I asked, “Finn, do you have the energy to catch me up on events since we last met? Or would it be easier if Liam helped me out here? It seems like a lot has happened…”

Each word was an effort as Finn explained, “After I saw you, I went to dialysis and decided I’d had enough.”

My speaking seemed to slow to the pace of his. “How did you know you’d had enough?”

“It was just too difficult.” The gaps between each exchange lengthened as we responded to the limits of illness.

“May I ask what it was that became too difficult?”

“Living…when I decided to stop treatment it was like a great relief… as though a weight had been lifted off my shoulders…I was in pain all the time. I’m in the final stages…and I’d had enough. I wanted some peace.”

“What were you hoping for that some peace could give you?”

“For the last few months, I was always in pain, tired, and felt sick. I was falling over and I couldn’t breathe properly. I never got a day’s relief…” Finn paused gathering his breath. I remained silent, allowing him the time he needed to go on.

“The doctor told me it was harder to stop than to start dialysis…and I started to think about that. It’s easy to start because you think it’ll do you some good. And it does to start with. Then it gets harder and harder…to get some peace you have to feel worse first.” Finn began to cough. I waited quietly, conveying in my stillness and relaxation that I was in no hurry for him to resume the conversation. When Finn had settled, I picked up the thread again, “You’ve spoken to me of the struggle to decide. How did you move towards thinking that some peace might be more important to you than continuing on with your life?”

“I realised I couldn’t do what I wanted, I don’t have quality of life and I thought a lot about what I wanted…what was important to me…you asked me that…and I thought, ‘I want some peace.’” Finn shut his eyes underlining what he had said.

“You had some worries about this time and what it might be like. Are those worries still there, or have they changed in some way?”

“They’re different now, not so bad. The staff are helping me.” Finn looked out the door in the direction of the nurse's station. “I’ve been thinking about it for a long time, and I just thought, ‘this is enough’”

Finn tried to move up the bed but couldn’t. Indicating with his hands to Liam he didn’t want help, he settled for moving his body onto his side.

Liam answered as he watched Finn struggle but respected Finn’s request to be independent. “It was a shock. It took me a while but I understand. And it was a relief especially when we found out Dad could come into the hospice for care. Suddenly he was the person he used to be. Laughing and joking and poking fun. He was himself.”

Turning to Finn I asked, “Do you feel more yourself?”

Finn answered as if each word was weighted down by the effort it took to utter. “Yes. I was using all my energy in the fight…with the illness. It was a struggle every day. There was nothing left…Just to go to dialysis was so exhausting. It’s a relief… A total relief and now I want peace. I won’t go back to dialysis again…”

I turned to Liam to give Finn some respite from speaking. “Liam, what do you think your Dad is prioritising when he chooses peace?”

“Control over himself again. He wanted to take it back. He’s spent so long being sick, going to dialysis, taking so many pills, trying to sleep and dealing with the pain. It’s a relief for him now. And drugs have side effects. He’s more himself now.”

Finn added, “Yeah…it kind of enslaves you….” His eyes closed.

“Liam, you said that your Dad stopping dialysis was taking back control and being the person he is. Could you tell me about this person you understand your Dad to be?”

“Organised. He always liked to be in the driving seat. He is a bright, active man who always managed everything on his own. He got himself to treatment every week through all these years, did things on his own terms.”

Finn opened his eyes again and echoed, “Yeah, and I’m going out on my terms now.”

“Finn, you mentioned that ‘it kind of enslaves you,’ earlier. Could you help me to understand more of what you mean by that?”

Finn sighed. “My catheter leaked last night…everywhere. The nurses had to come and we did a big clean up. It’s not just the dialysis. It’s everything. All the problems, the treatment, the side effects. It’s all the time.”

“So much to deal with….” I murmured.

Finn responded with a long speech for someone so unwell. “I feel free now…A man came to the dialysis unit for his first treatment when I was having my dialysis the day after I saw you — what ended up being the last one. I watched him come in and I thought, ‘if it was me doing it again, I would never start.’ I was kind of shocked by myself thinking that, but I realised it’s true. I wanted to go over and tell him not to do it… but I didn’t of course. And then I thought, “What am I doing here?” and suddenly I knew I didn’t want to be. I thought it would feel like giving up, but it doesn’t…it feels right in here…” Finn moved his hand to his heart. “I am me again…and soon I will have some peace”.

As Finn spoke, I reflected that I might not ever fully understand what had allowed him to decide. I wondered if reconnecting him to a sense of his own worth or to some of his knowledge and abilities had had a role, but I would never know for sure. A slight smile emerged on Finn’s relaxed face. In that moment I could see what looked like the peace he had been describing.

I left the room after thanking Finn for sharing so much of himself and his life with me and teaching me about decision-making.

It wasn’t the last time I saw Finn though.

Two days later, I walked past Finn’s room knowing he was now close to death. Finn was alone, lying in his bed and I thought I could hear Liam’s voice in the hallway talking to a nurse. Finn invited me in with a look. Speech seemed beyond him. When I sat down by his bedside, Finn reached over to hold my hand. Willingly, I offered it to him, and he clutched it tightly. We remained silent, although I could feel what I thought of as companionship and warmth between us.

Finn lay sprawled on his back with his eyes closed. His breathing was moist, and I thought he was possibly close to death. After a time, I felt a slight pressure on my hand. “Is this it?” he whispered, seeking my confirmation he was dying.

Steadily, gently, and with all the kindness I could fold in, I slowly confirmed, “Yes…This is it.” He seemed to relax then, sinking back into his bed as if soothed. Though his hand still held mine, it had lost its tight grip.

* This article, with full references and the author’s notes, first appeared in the Journal of Contemporary Narrative Therapy, 2022, Release 2, 27-61, and is reprinted with permission of the author.  

An Early Career Lesson in Boundary Setting Helps the Client and Therapist Grow

As is true in the lives of clinicians outside of the office, asserting and maintaining clear professional boundaries is essential clinically, ethically, and personally. I have found it not only helpful, but often critical to help my clients gain awareness of the limits in our professional relationship, not only for their safety but for my own. As to be expected, my clients have tested these boundaries, sometimes in minor and other times significant ways. Regardless of the size of these crossings, I have always found their navigation challenging. If their behavior inside of the therapy room is in some way a reflection of similar behavior outside of those walls, then I would like to think that by setting boundaries, I have been helpful in their personal relationships. I’d like to share an instructive experience I had several years ago.

An Early Career Therapeutic Experience with Boundaries

In my early therapeutic work, a client sought help for anxiety and self-esteem issues. Throughout her life, the client had felt misunderstood by parents and peers, leading to a powerful desire to be heard, coupled with a deep need to feel understood. In sessions with me, she often attempted to dominate and control the work, deflected from that work, and resisted my therapeutic efforts and techniques. Having attended for several months, she often interrupted me, changed the direction of counselling, challenged suggestions, resisted recommended coping strategies, and all the while — and quite ironically — pushed for more session time and dropped “doorknob disclosures” at the end of sessions. I often left those sessions feeling frustrated, powerless, and occasionally angry with her. I quickly recognised her need to address these boundary challenges for the sake of her growth, and my own therapeutic — and perhaps personal — peace of mind. The week after a particularly frustrating session in which the client was extremely resistant, I broached the subject of boundaries. I enquired what boundaries meant to her, but the subject was quickly and quite handily deflected and changed. Firm and focused, I resisted the redirection. “Let’s circle back to my question,” I encouraged, keeping my body language open, my expression warm and my eye contact fixed. The client did not respond. Maintaining eye contact, I held space for the silence in the room, allowing a few moments to pass. It was an uneasy silence, like a standoff of sorts. I carefully monitored her emotional response to the intervention. Smiling, I broke the silence. “It appears you couldn’t answer my question, and that’s ok. Perhaps you aren’t ready to answer right now. We can come back to that when you are ready. However, I would really like to share my thoughts on boundaries with you. Could we stay with that for a moment?” I invited. Due to the direct nature of my statement, the client looked at me curiously. “Yes, ok,” she replied, slightly irritated.

A Therapeutic Door Open Once Boundaries are Asserted

Following some psychoeducation around boundaries, I gently shared my thoughts and observations, applying curiosity and compassion to her behaviours that I noticed in our sessions, addressing the boundary violations which had presented over the past few months. I discussed the ethics of counselling and the importance of boundaries, expressing genuine empathy. This intervention opened the door of awareness for the client to explore her own boundaries, and after some discussion, she acknowledged their looseness in certain areas of her life and that pushing boundaries with others helped maintain a level of control at a time when she did not feel in control of her emotions and thoughts. Keeping focus, we talked through the rationale behind boundaries, highlighting how doing so created a safe space for exploration and growth. I offered, “fostering strong healthy boundaries within our therapeutic relationship will help you harness boundaries in your personal life and move you closer to your goals.” Concluding the pivotal discussion, we defined and discussed the therapeutic framework, ensuring the shared understanding that boundaries were necessary for a productive therapeutic relationship, and laid the foundation for a revised framework we would adhere to as we re-contracted with each other. My client seemed to appreciate my assertiveness, and the renewed structure of our work together. From that point, our sessions flowed with more focus and structure, and she demonstrated a will to apply the techniques both in and outside of the therapy room. Whenever she subsequently attempted to push boundaries in session, I quickly re-focused on that earlier breakthrough session. She was even able to discuss instances from outside of therapy where she was able to assert and maintain healthy boundaries. As boundaries became more consistent in her life, her self-esteem improved, and her self-confidence expanded. Growth, resilience and self-discovery followed. By holding firm to my boundaries, I demonstrated professionalism while modelling self-respect and honouring my client’s process. Doing so allowed her to gradually understand the significance of these boundaries and the transformative potential she held. In retrospect, I believe we identified the underlying motivations behind her actions, holding space for fear of vulnerability, and the emotional injury underneath the need for control. This exploration fostered healing, self-awareness, and empowered my client to take ownership of her behaviour, laying the foundation for personal transformation. Our work flourished, and in the process, I gained confidence in setting boundaries with future clients. I’m not saying that clients no longer test me, but I am thankful for that and similar early-career opportunities to assert and hold fast to boundaries.

Mary Jo Barrett on the Collaborative Treatment of Incest and Complex Developmental Trauma

Lawrence Rubin: Hi, Mary Jo, thanks for joining me today and sharing your clinical expertise in the systemic treatment of incest and complex developmental trauma. Just before we went live, you were sharing an experience you had while giving a webinar this last weekend, and something caught my ear that I wanted to ask you about. You suggested that there is something different between what is currently being practiced in the field of incest and complex developmental trauma, and what, in your experience, is correct, or what should be practiced.
Mary Jo Barrett: That’s a good place to begin. When I first started, which was 45 years ago, I was a worker for the state, basically doing in-home counseling. I discovered that in all these child abuse and neglect cases, there was a significant number of cases involving incest and sexual abuse — whether immediate family members or close family members or clergy or whatever. I would go to my supervisors for guidance, but no one really knew how to treat it.
For example, Minuchin told me that I didn’t need to focus on the incest. I just needed to look at restructuring and building a hierarchy, and that the incest would then be alleviated. Carl Whitaker, who I was madly in love with, basically said, “You know what? I don’t know what to tell you.” At least that was honest. He said, “I do schizophrenia. You better figure out how to do incest.” He was my teacher, so I decided I needed to figure it out.
And so, over the years, I started asking my clients more formally about incest and sexual abuse. I also had my supervisees ask their clients. And whether I was conducting training in Europe or here, I began to ask the clients what the most effective thing about their therapeutic experiences was, and what about the therapy they had received made it “good therapy.”
Basically, nobody said “techniques.” They said what we know they would say and did actually say. It was the relationship between the therapist and client. But they even said more specific things. And of the specific things they said, I narrowed the list down to what I call the five essential ingredients of trauma treatment. But what they said applies to all models of treatment. And as we know, none of these models are better than the other I developed what I call a meta-model that applies to any trauma protocol that exists based on these five essential ingredients. And so, whether you do IFS or CBT or SC or any of the alphabet soup of techniques or protocols that are out there, they will be successful if they have the five essential ingredients.   

The Key to Effective Trauma Treatment is Collaboration

LR: What exactly are these five ingredients for effective trauma treatment?
MB: People, especially those who have been abused, need to feel that they have value, power, control, and connection. So, these “ingredients” include the client:

  • feeling valued
  • learning specific skills in finding resources
  • understanding contextual variables needed for an engaged mind state
  • developing workable realities
  • building a hopeful vision for the future

When a therapist, case manager, or foster care worker gets stuck with a client who has been abused or neglected, I suggest that they don’t go back to the protocol, but instead to the relationship.

LR: Going back to the question that I opened with, how do you see what’s in the zeitgeist now, what’s popular now, as being lacking in comparison to this collaborative model that you developed?
MB: The basic essence is that I go to the client to tell me what to do, versus going to a model or technique to tell me what to do.
LR: Can you think of a recent clinical instance in which the relationship seemed that much more important in the moment than any technique or model?
MB: Larry, every day! That is my model. Every session. In every session when you’re talking about trauma, there will be an impasse. I call it differently. In any moment, there’s going to be what I call a traumatic stress, which means the client, because of their trauma, is going to experience therapy as dangerous.
As we always say, survivors often see danger where danger doesn’t exist. I mean, that’s a standard thing. But that happens in therapy all the time. That’s because the therapeutic relationship is based on hierarchy and attachment. There is a hierarchy, right? I mean the therapist has more power. And the therapist is often controlling the sessions or the direction or what’s going on. And there’s a necessary attachment. There’s going to be an attachment between therapist and client.
Abuse and neglect are embedded in hierarchical attachment relationships. Now, the thing is, every time I say abuse and neglect, people might go, “But we’re talking about trauma.” And I’m saying, again, almost all the trauma cases we talk about revolve around interrelationship violations.
LR: So, if we practice anything other than a collaborative model, then we may in some way be replicating the hierarchical violation in the family that contributed to that abuse.
MB: I’d say that a majority of these clients anticipate and experience, from time to time, that violation in the therapeutic relationship.
LR: So, if the therapist moves too quickly or dives right into the trauma narrative or says, “Tell me about this,” or, “I’d like you to do this,” they are abusing their power? Even using directive words or a tone of voice or body posture can trigger a client so that they feel unsafe. And that’s when you would be cognizant of that, hypersensitive to that, and readjust any of those facets of your approach?
MB: Correct. And the collaborative change model is exactly that cycle. What you just described. And what’s interesting to me is that the collaborative change model is a natural model. And when I describe it, folks at the clinic say, “Oh, my god, yeah!” And the good clinician says, “That’s what I do in my sessions anyway.” And all I’m saying is, make it conscious. It’s a natural cycle of change.
The first phase is creating a context — which is creating refuge, making assessment, figuring out what’s going on — then making a direction, deciding what kind of intervention to use. And then when we start doing our interventions, which is natural, we’re challenging, right? And the relationship becomes embedded in this hierarchy because I’m sort of pushing and challenging by asking them to do something different. And in that moment, the client might experience a moment of fight-flight-freeze-submit. Or fix! And I have to, as a clinician, recognize that.
And in that moment, instead of pushing harder to make an assumption of, “Oh, they can’t tell,” or whatever it is, I need to stop and recreate a context of change. So, at that moment, I stop and say, “What do you need now? What’s going on? How do you feel? Should I slow down? What’s happening?”
I’ll give you an example. I had a client who often during the sessions would say, repetitively, “You don’t get it. You don’t get it. You don’t get it.” And I’d often get defensive. I’d sometimes want to say, “Well, help me understand,” or, “Explain it.” And then one day after the session, I was thinking, “I think that’s a trauma response. So, I said, “I’m wondering if when I’m doing something that triggers you, you experience me as threatening and go into ‘You don’t get it’ as a repetitive response.” And she really thought about it and looked at it and she said, “You know, I’ve often felt there’s things you do that remind me of my mother.”
This client’s mother was like Joan Crawford’s character in Mommie Dearest, and we’re not just talking severely abusive. I asked her what reminded me in those moments of her mother. In response, she said that I talked loudly, and it was the way I dressed in skirts. She experienced me as dressing in a way that was, for her, reminiscent of her mother, which she experienced as provocative. I don’t know that it was, but she experienced it as such, so for her, it was.
So, when we then had that conversation, and from then on, I did consciously change how I dressed on the days I saw her. And I consciously changed my voice. And after that conversation, she never said, “You don’t get it,” again.
LR: So, when she emphatically repeated, “You don’t get it, you don’t get it,” it was metaphoric for something like, “You’re not hearing me, that hurts, stop it, you’re not hearing me, you’re dressing in a way that confuses me. You’re not hearing me. Daddy did this, or Mommy did this, or my brother did this.” It’s like this broad statement of, “I am feeling abused right now.” She may not have been able to put a finger on exactly what element of your relational moment was triggering her, but “You don’t get it,” meant, “I am feeling powerless and unsafe.”
MB: Violated. She was feeling violated.
LR: She was feeling violated. Because you’re much more cognizant about the relationship and the attachment, and breaches in the attachment, you were able to look inward and ask yourself, “What could I be doing? How could how I be talking? What would I be wearing? What might we be talking about? What is it about the way I’m asking questions that could be replicating at some level what happened in her family?”
MB: Yes.
LR: Did I get it right?
MB: You did get it. I should bring up my PowerPoint. You’re doing a very good job. I have three slides that I use in trainings, which I introduce by saying, “These are the three watchwords or phrases of my faith.” The first one is by Mandela that says, “A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination.” The second one was by R.D. Laing who talked about the importance of awareness by saying something like, “If you aren’t aware that you’re not aware, there’s nothing you could do to make change.” And the third one is by Jay Woodman which says that “Life is a series of cycles of getting lost and finding yourself.” And that each time you’re lost, if you look at it as a possibility, then you will find yourself in a new place. And so, my thing is, therapy is a cycle of getting lost and finding yourself again. And once you’re aware of that, you integrate your mind and your brain, your heart, and you’re golden.   

The Healing Power of the Therapeutic Relationship

LR: Is there something about trauma, and incest in particular, that drives clinicians to cleave to techniques and theoretical models; bypassing what they truly know to be effective, with is the relationship?
MB: It’s an integration of the two. When we spoke with these clients, it was clear that they did need new skills. It was the third most important thing, not the first. But the first thing they said was connection. The second thing they said was they had to feel valued, and they had to value the clinician. Then they said they had to feel empowered. And then they said skills.
Everybody that’s developed a protocol model is going to argue with me and say the relationship is the basis of all those protocol models. I would say I got you; I believe you. But if you ask the people who are trained in those models, they will say the emphasis is on the protocol and the interventions.
And they would also say that the difference is that when they’re stuck or a client gets activated, that it’s “go back to the protocol,” versus going to the client to collaborate.
LR: I wonder if there’s something about trauma, and particularly incest, that compels clinicians, especially those who aren’t experienced, to have to “do something.”
MB: A hundred percent! This is actually the new thing that I’ve added to the “fight-flight-freeze” paradigm, which is “fix.” So, I think what happens when a clinician becomes overwhelmed — I call it a place of traumatic stress — fix becomes part of a trauma reaction. The traumatic stress reactions.
When a therapist falls into a “fix-it” state, that should be an indication that they are in the trauma field and are feeling dysregulated. They then have to get re-regulated in order to move to a different place. And it’s the same with the client, who at that moment needs skills to re-regulate themself. I don’t believe when a client or a therapist is dysregulating, that’s the time to automatically use a technique.
LR: So, by jumping in with “a fix,” the therapist might be trying to regulate themselves at the cost of their client’s regulation.
MB: I want to say one other thing which is not going to be popular. I believe that when therapists jump in with a technique, they’re hoping it’s a solution for the consumer of their services.
LR: Giving them something.
MB: Giving them something, which is capitalism. Everything is an agreement in the contract with my clients.

The Importance of Working Systemically with Incest

LR: Someone reading this interview might say, “Well, it sounds like she’s working with the individual,” but I know you’re deeply systemic. So, I’m assuming that this collaborative model infuses your family work around complex developmental trauma?
MB: Yes. Most of the clinical work I do is with couples and families. And this goes back to the research we did with these clients who said that rarely, if ever, did other clinicians include their family. So, what would happen is that after those sessions with the “other” therapists, these clients would go home and have abusive fights or get hit. Or a parent would continue the abuse or violate.
Here, I go back to what I said earlier. Abuse, neglect, and childhood developmental trauma are embedded in a relationship of hierarchy and attachment. So, I believe healing should happen in a relationship.
I want the therapy to recreate some of the crisis right in the room with me. So, if there’s a fight, and dissociation, we all can witness it together and address it in the moment — together. If there’s eyeball-rolling that then triggers the other person, I want it to happen in the room, because those are the cycles that cause the traumatic stress at home.
Everything I’m saying to you here and now is what I say in the first session. When I start a session, I want the safety in our relationship to spill over into their relationship. I want their relationship to be a source of regulation. Not me. I don’t want to be the primary person in their lives.
LR: I can see how this would apply working with intimate partner violence. But are you saying that in cases where there is past or present childhood incest, that you would work systemically with either the current or past family members?
MB: Let me delineate two things. One; when the incest is currently happening and its children, yes, I include everybody. But I have all sorts of rules and boundaries. If it’s currently happening, and in most states, if incest is currently happening, then usually the perpetrator, whether it’s a sibling or a parent or not, is kept away from the child, right?
So, I don’t bring the alleged offender, or the offender, into the room with the victim until they’ve acknowledged facts. So, if they’re denying facts and saying, “She made me do it,” or, “He made me do it,” or, “It never happened,” I don’t do family with them. But I would do family with other family members. But I don’t bring the alleged offender into the room until after they’re no longer denying facts. 
LR: Is that enough? Just getting past the point of denial? Would they have had to have done some significant reparative work of their own before you brought them into the room with the victim?
MB: They are in therapy. Yeah. I mean if it’s currently happening, then the offender is in individual and group therapy, according to how I think good incest therapy should happen. And the rest of the family are either in individual, group, or family treatment for whatever their issues are. And the kids could be in individual concurrently with the family therapy.And then when the violator has met certain criteria, then they can start coming into the sessions.

LR: So, who’s your client? In a case of incest, where it happens currently, or even in the past, who do you identify as the primary client?
MB: The family. But/and my collaboration is with all. It’s a team. I mean it takes a village. Absolutely. When we’re talking incest, it can’t be done effectively by one therapist.
LR: Do you or can you even work effectively with adult survivors of childhood incest?
MB: I’ve developed what I call the “family dialogue program,” which is for adult survivors with their families. And so, I do bring them together but it’s different. I often do it in these intense weekend workshops because if people live all over the country, it depends on if we’re doing therapy about wanting to talk about the abuse and neglect or are we doing what I call the third reality, which is, let’s just focus on the future. Let’s not focus on, did it happen, didn’t it happen, what’s going on? Let’s just focus on, am I going to come to your funeral? Am I going to come to Passover? How can we be in the room together? Am I going to go to my niece’s wedding? Are you going to ever meet your grandchildren? That kind of thing.
LR: That presumes that the perpetrator must take responsibility. They must be willing to listen, at least. Be present and listen. In other words, if you want to ever see your grandkids, you’re going to listen to me. You’re going to hear me. And that perpetrator may leave not feeling very healed, but at least he or she will have given the opportunity to the victim to be heard.
MB: And that’s why I call it the third reality. Because we’re just focusing on, “it’s not about your reality,” it’s about if you want to see your grandchildren. If I want to come to your house, are you going to be able to tolerate me…you know, me believing this and being in the same room as you.
LR: In a sense, it’s a way for the victim to recapture some power.
MB: Oh, absolutely. And that’s what most survivors will say to me. I mean a lot of people have said, “I was in therapy for 10 years, and that weekend with my father was the most important thing in my healing.”

The Gratification of Working with Trauma and Incest

LR: Okay, okay. My guess is that many in private practice would run when they receive a referral for incest. But you seem to run toward it.
MB: I don’t think people in private practice run from the adult survivors, but they run from when it’s currently happening.
LR: Why is that?
MB: Because I think it is one of the greatest taboos. And they never learned how to deal with it. And I think they never learned how to manage. And they often don’t understand how anybody can even want to see their father or their brother or their mother based on what they’ve done to me. Or done to them. Done to the victim. And so, I think a lot of them experience transference and/or feel inadequate.

I don’t know if it was a particular case, and I said to my husband, “What kind of person likes working with sex offenders?”
And in terms of me, Larry, I supposed we could get me on a couch to figure out why. I do remember very distinctly one time bolting out of bed, like sitting up straight. I don’t know if it was a particular case, and I said to my husband, “What kind of person likes working with sex offenders?”
But I would rather work with incest any day of the week over depression because people I work with change. And I see that change. I have seen plenty of sex offenders change. And I’ve had the fortunate experience of being able to follow up on some of my very first cases. I’ve seen one of my first cases 40 years after they stopped. It was an unbelievable experience.
Well, partly it was fun because I got to ask them all sorts of questions. I’ve always been a very creative therapist, where I just make shit up as I go along, that seems to fit. I remember one of my cases — it was incest and domestic violence. The father was in supervision and was told he couldn’t be within 365 yards of his family when he first got out of jail. He actually parked a mobile home 365 yards from the family home. And he was something else.
About a year into it, maybe less, I went back to court to get permission to have him come to family sessions. And he did. And one time, I was doing a good old family therapy looking for strengths, and I said to them, “You’re not always abusing each other. There are times when you’re not. Let’s talk about those times.” And the kids were younger, like 16, 11, and 10. I handed out these little recipe cards where I asked each family member to write down the recipe for nonviolence. Like a cup of this, and 3 tablespoons of that.
I gathered them all and laminated them, and then had them talk about it. The mother said, “It’s half a cup of going to church, and another quarter of a cup is no alcohol.” I mean that kind of stuff. And so literally 30 years later, I interviewed the same family. And the woman, the daughter who was the incest survivor was 40-something. I asked her a couple questions, one of which was whether she had gone to any trauma therapy. She said, “Why would I? I already had it.” So, I asked, “When you were getting married, or dating, what was that like? Were you always anxious? Were you afraid?” She opened her purse and pulled out the laminated card, and said, “I only dated people that had the ingredients.”
LR: Talk about having an impact. Wow, that must have felt great.
MB: I burst into tears. I didn’t do the initial interview, one of my graduate students did. But I was behind a one-way mirror, because who wouldn’t want to see one of their first clients? I went in and I asked them questions. So, in fact, there’s an example of the use of a particular skill. I don’t know that- would it have been the same if it hadn’t really come from them? I don’t know.
LR: Had you not had a relationship, they wouldn’t have taken the cards to begin with.
MB: Right, right.
LR: Do you see yourself in charge of the treatment village when working with the perpetrator?
MB: I have a case right now of sibling incest, and one of the kids is a young adult, but not even, I mean probably a teenager still, 18, 19, who is in individual therapy. I’m trying to do a family session because the parents have two children. So, the parents are involved, and the son who offended his sister. And I’m trying to coordinate. And the sister’s therapist didn’t call me.
LR: What recourse do you have?
MB: Well, the recourse I have is the parents. He is still a teenager. So, the parents can call this person up and say, “Our daughter signed a release, we signed a release. You need to call.” I’m not saying it in a nasty way. But I try to avoid doing that because I don’t need to start an adversarial relationship. But that’s the recourse I have. If the person was an adult, I mean I’d still have the parents to talk to their child and say, “Look, we want to heal this.” As it turned out, the son’s individual therapist calls me and cooperates. We have a great working relationship.

The Complex Arena of Incest Work

LR: Earlier on in one of our conversations, you said, “Incest is virtually neglected in our field.” Clearly, incest hasn’t stopped.
MB: Incest hasn’t decreased at all since I started in the field in ’78.
LR: What do you mean it’s neglected? By clinicians? By researchers?
MB: : I think everybody’s neglecting it. I think that the problem is that we’ve lumped trauma into one thing — complex developmental trauma.

I think that there is something very important to calling violence or violations what they are. Incest is unique. It’s not just a sexual assault. It’s unique because this is often a relationship where the people also have a very positive connection. “This is my parent,” they might say. I had a client way back, I mean again, 30 or so years, who wrote a poem. The one line that sticks out into my head was — and I don’t think she was writing it just to me, it was in general — she said, “I asked you to put an end to the abuse, and you put an end to my family.”

LR: Oh! Did she write the poem to you?
MB: I don’t think it was to me because I asked her. It was to the system. She’s another one that I still have contact with because periodically she’ll write me and say things like, “I just had a baby, just won a marathon.” I mean that kind of stuff. I think professionals feel anxious. I think they feel traumatized. I think it feels like you said. It’s such a moral violation that, as clinicians, we don’t know how to manage. How do I manage that I care about somebody? How do I manage that this woman stayed married to somebody who sexually abused her child?

I just think the taboo is so deeply entrenched that it causes such distress to those who work in this area. I just was working with a family where one of the children was sexually abused. And the other two weren’t. And when I talked to all of them, I said, “All of you were abused. But what happened to Susie is more of a moral violation.” And so that’s why people can’t tolerate it. I think there’s something about not being able to tolerate it. Like I said, I can find something positive. It makes sense to me that someone can be abused by a family member and still care.

LR: The popularity of complex developmental trauma overshadows the clinical attention on sexual assault.
MB: All I know is that so many clients tell me that people either never asked them or understood it. So, it just gets lumped into a category of trauma. And all traumas are not created equal. I’m not saying incest is worse than being physically abused. I’m not saying it’s worse, I’m just saying it has its own unique connected relationship with somebody they cared about who I also had many positives. And it leaves me even in some ways more confused because it isn’t linear or simple. Even if the person was abused by somebody that came and left like a babysitter or Boy Scout leader, with whom they also had an intimate relationship, it’s very confusing. 
LR: The deepest form of betrayal.
MB: Yes. I think sometimes clinicians can’t manage that level of complexity. Which goes back to your question; “Give me some techniques, it makes things less complex. I can feel better about myself if I know how to do this. Do that.” Larry, every single day, I go, “Wait, I don’t know what I’m doing exactly. What do I do now? I just had this explosion.”

I was sitting in the room last week with somebody that got up, grabbed something off my table, threw it on the ground, and smashed it. “I got to go,” they said So, I said, “Wait a minute, okay, let me figure out.” What was I going to say in that moment? “Follow my finger?”

LR: What did you do? How did you handle the moment?
MB: What I did in that moment was said, “I need a drink of water. You need to sit down. I am feeling afraid. And I want to talk about this. But right now, I need to calm down. And you need to. We both need to.” I had been seeing this guy for a while. It made sense to say, “We need to regulate.”

Well, the wife was there, and they have a child. But the child wasn’t there. I had a separate session with the child. And I had a separate session with the wife. I did break them all up. And then I had a session with him, and we just talked about it. And I talked to him. And of course, like every other, he said, “This is what happens when she does blah, blah, blah.” “This is what happens when my child…” And I explained to him that acts of violence are linear. I don’t think I said “linear,” but… “I get it. It is all these other things that activate you. However, you have to make a decision about how you’re going to react to these things.”

LR: I would see where a younger therapist, or a frightened or threatened therapist might have ended the session immediately, out of fear for themselves, out of loss of control of the session. But you saw it as part of the way the system functions, and your role in that moment was to regulate. To me, the external regulator, the governor of sorts. Is apology critical?
MB: Acknowledgment is important, not apology. Because people say they’re sorry very easily.
LR: So, how do you know when an acknowledgment is sincere and productive, moving forward?
MB: So, when somebody is going to make a formal acknowledgment, it’s a planned session where they write a narrative. They write it down, they talk about… Basically, I have them talk about facts, impact, responsibility. So, they’re giving it to me beforehand. And that’s part of the therapy process. They’re writing their acknowledgement as a therapeutic technique. So, they’re writing this, and that’s how I know it’s sincere.
LR: What are some of the common presenting problems that people come to therapy with that raise your incest red flags?
MB: Well, on that level, they probably don’t look any different than any other form of abuse, neglect, or violation. They really don’t. Eating disorders, self-mutilating, suicide. Any of those things. Most of these are symptoms, I think are survival skills. I think they’re skills that people have used over time to survive their abuse and neglect. And now it’s become problematic. The skills themselves are problematic. The skills work. If I drank too much, if I cut, if I was sexually promiscuous, if I was suicidal, if I was dissociating. It might have worked to avoid memory and pain. That’s how I tell my clients; that most of their symptoms are utilized to avoid memory and pain until they don’t.

And now the symptoms themselves are causing the pain. To me, incest doesn’t look any different. What happens is, as I start my sessions by asking people how they heard about me.

If they didn’t know my name, they might have typed in “trauma, abuse, childhood something.” And it’s not just “therapy.” Usually, they got to me, somehow, they typed something else in. Or they got to me through a therapist. And so, when they say trauma, which is usually what it is, I then say, “Look, if we’re going to talk about it, we’re not going to talk about it now. But I need you to know I feel really comfortable talking about incest. I feel really comfortable talking about sibling abuse. I feel comfortable talking if you beat each other up.” So, I’m just saying, down the road, if any of those things come up, I feel comfortable.

LR: Has there ever been an instance where all roads pointed to incest and the person allowed you down that road, right up to the door, and then just closed it in your face?
MB: No. When I take a family history, when I do a genogram, and everything points to incest, I might just say, “You know what? I just need you to know from what you’re telling me; I’m not saying it was incest. But there might be, it could have been. It feels to me like emotional incest at least. Like you are hierarchically your father’s peer. Or it feels like you and your brother turned to each other in ways to get affection that you didn’t get from anyone else or your parent(s).”

So, it doesn’t have to be. And this isn’t your question. But it’s a question people often ask me. Do you need to know all the story to help? And the answer is no. 
LR: And I think clinicians sometimes may forget that incest is a violation of hierarchy. It’s a violation of trust. And not all incestuous relationships are sexual. Are there any questions I could have asked or should have asked?
MB: Well, I mean we have maybe a couple of million. But I think what I would say is, you know, we should talk again.
LR: I would like that. Thanks Mary Jo.