The Subtle Art of Therapeutic Rudeness

Beginning therapists typically struggle with a particular issue that can be the cause of much consternation given that they tend to be “nice” people. You might already know where I’m going with this—therapists struggle with interrupting, cutting off, butting in, or engaging in any kind of behavior with clients that might be perceived as rude.

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Under what conditions would a therapist ever need to resort to anything that resembles rudeness? I could give you a number of reasons, but I’ll limit myself to just one. A client could consciously or unconsciously avoid a certain topic for fear that it will be overwhelming for them, or because they don’t want to own up to something or acknowledge the impact of X on their life. A “nice” therapist will not want to upset their client; they will indulge the client’s avoidance by following the client-led conversation along a subject-hopping surface-level path. But ultimately, this is not to the client’s benefit.

We are not in the business of being nice, we are in the business of healing. And healing can hurt. If I am truly committed to the healing of my clients, I have to be willing to be rude, or at least act in a manner that may strike the client as such—to interrupt their avoidance and redirect their attention, sometimes kicking and screaming, to the topic they are sidestepping. My motivation is not to be sadistic, for I know that those areas that clients avoid are usually those that contain the greatest potential for growth and healing. But by indulging in their avoidance, I potentially infantilize my client. I reinforce the implicit notion that they are weak and incapable of facing the issue. Therefore, I have to notice the niceness tendency within myself and purposely tell myself that what feels comfortable is not for the ultimate good of the client. I then have to step outside of my comfort zone and act out a behavior that in most circumstances would be considered rude. This might include talking over my client by raising my voice and refusing to stop until they relinquish the reins of the conversation.

Now, this is where the art comes into play. When interrupting, I am trying my best to be artfully rude, but never disrespectful. I never denigrate or judge my client. I never put them down or do anything that undermines their dignity. Rather, my rude interjection comes from a place of empathy and understanding. I get it! I avoid hard stuff, too! It’s painful to look in the metaphorical mirror and face yourself. But avoiding the mirror only elongates my problems; it only gives more time and space for my issues to grow. So, if I truly love myself, I must drag myself over to the mirror and force myself to look. I need to love my clients in the same way.

I remember working with a middle-aged mother who had recently suffered a number of setbacks in her life. I remember looking at her and thinking to myself that she seemed so sad. Despite my best efforts to focus on and build up the positives in her life, no footing could be found in anything resembling hope. I remember one session in particular, where she kept talking about her knitting group and one group member’s relationship problems. I asked why it was important to discuss this person and not what was going on in her life. She said she was worried about her friend and was really trying to help her. I kept pressing my client to get a better sense of what she was thinking and feeling.

Over the course of our conversation, it became clear to me that my client felt as if her life was over—she had no sense of a future, and she was just trying to help someone, anyone, before she took her own life. She didn’t say this outright, but I could read between the lines that my client was considering suicide. I felt an internal panic when I realized this. I really liked this client. She reminded me of my own mother in some ways. I also felt a tremendous urge to keep the conversation away from the topic of suicide, to indulge my client’s wish of focusing on her friend in the knitting group. I also knew I could not let her leave my office without assessing her risk level. I took a deep breath, and as kindly as I could, I interrupted her and asked if she had been or was currently thinking about hurting or killing herself. The tears started rolling down her cheeks. What followed was a very helpful conversation that involved a safety plan, engaging with a support network, providing contact information in case of an emergency, and pulling in additional services. The conversation shed light on her under-the-radar risk for suicide that had developed over the last few weeks and provided a space for planning and support. That conversation needed to happen.

And I thank the art of rudeness for giving me the insight and words to respectfully interrupt my client and ask a tough question.

Setbacks in Psychotherapy

Introduction

When I was in graduate school learning about psychotherapy, I read a lot about how to do therapy, but I found myself yearning to see clinicians doing the work as models to emulate or reject. Now that I am a university professor training graduate students in clinical psychology, I expose my students to as many clinical video recording demos as I reasonably can. In my first-year interview and psychotherapy courses and in my second-year practicum, my grad students watch hours of clinicians doing psychotherapy. In turn, they seem to really benefit from watching the work and seeing the full range of styles, techniques, and theoretical approaches. We all agree that seeing clinicians in video demonstrations makes our readings on assessment and psychotherapy come to life as we appreciate and critique excerpts from my library of videos. Like me, they find it helpful to see models of how this kind of work is done. Moreover, they also have a yearning—like I had in graduate school—to actually see work that does not go well, in order to discern how clinicians react and recover when there are setbacks in the course of psychotherapy.

To this end, as the creator of the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality (CAMS), an evidence-based framework for effectively engaging and treating suicidal risk, I can now satisfy and promote my early yearnings to see and understand what to do when faced with a clinical setback. However, this particular article is not about extolling the virtues of CAMS or its extensive supportive evidence base (including nine published clinical trials, five published randomized controlled trials, and a rigorous and convincing meta-analysis of nine CAMS trials). Rather, my emphasis here is focused on an aspect of a training video that has been offered for several years by our training company, CAMS-care, LLC.

The Setback Session

Over the course of my career, I have routinely done live roleplay demonstrations, recruiting someone out of the audience to roleplay a case they know well. Obviously as an unscripted and spontaneous demonstration, it always puts a bit of pressure on me to “perform” with a variety of different roleplay “clients” that I encountered. There have been many times over the years when a volunteer audience member plays an especially difficult or provocative case, and everyone then gets to watch me squirm and struggle—just like what happens in real life! Beyond my early yearnings to see clinical demonstrations, I also wanted to see demonstrations of things not going perfectly as well—just as in real life. Overwhelmingly, most clinicians at my workshops have appreciated these live roleplay demonstrations and my taking the risk to demo techniques even when they do not go perfectly. It follows that when CAMS-care moved to scale up our training of CAMS, we shot a 12-session role play video in a studio with a former grad student—now colleague—named Dr. Kevin Crowley, who played a difficult client he saw during his VA internship.

Over two days in the studio, we shot unscripted segments of the first session of CAMS, portions of the second session, a latter interim session, a rather provocative setback session (where the patient has a major suicidal crisis), and the final outcome disposition session of CAMS. This online course has proven to be quite popular and has held up quite well over the years since we shot it. It has now been viewed by thousands of clinical providers being trained in CAMS around the world. Moreover, we know from an unpublished doctoral dissertation project defended last year that this three-hour online course has a notable and meaningful impact on clinicians learning to use CAMS within our integrated training model.

But, getting to the point of this article, what has been most popular—and contentious—about this online course has been Session 9, the “setback session.” I would say overall that 80-90% of those we train praise, appreciate, and feel quite positively about the setback. In contrast, there is a small minority who emphatically do not like the setback demo and share critical comments, with some even feeling offended by it! In any case, the setback session evokes a lot of strong reactions. I have often reflected on why this might be.

The online course provides overview portions of me talking about the model, but most of the course features various demo excerpts of Sessions 1-12, depicting a successful course of CAMS-guided care. My “client” Kevin plays a tricky case—he behaves peculiarly and is extremely wary of being in therapy at all. What emerges is a significant trauma history and a lifelong preoccupation with suicide. More to the point, he does not generally trust people, as he has experienced extensive interpersonal betrayal, one of his “drivers” of suicide (in CAMS parlance) and thus a major focus of his treatment. After making steady clinical progress, depicted in the video training over the first eight sessions, Kevin comes into the ninth session of CAMS angry and belligerent after a series of disappointments since his previous session that evoked an acute suicidal crisis. Clearly upset, Kevin immediately goes on the attack, accusing me of “lying” to him, “letting him down,” and “not having his back.” At first, I patiently hear his accusations but gently observe that he did not follow his CAMS Stabilization Plan, which involves engaging in predetermined coping strategies and ultimately contacting me on my cell phone. But as he repeatedly accuses me of lying to him and betraying him, I became increasingly angry myself. As my voice raises, I point out that he did not even give me the chance to have his back—a critical therapeutic issue within his suicide-focused treatment.

There is an awkward pause in a kind of “gotcha” moment, and his head drops in shame as he sees that we are experiencing a re-creation of a dynamic that he has experienced repeatedly. Seeing this clear shame response, I immediately drop and soften my voice, regroup, and apologize and endeavor to clarify the therapeutic moment: that we can do this differently and it could be a corrective experience! The session quickly settles down, eye contact is regained, and we both discuss and learn about what did and did not happen. I also quote my research mentor, Marsha Linehan, who famously would say in such situations, “The patient never fails the treatment, only the treatment fails the patient!” I have to work hard to move Kevin from a position of embarrassment and shame following this contentious exchange. By the end of the session, we clearly do come back together with smiles and an obviously increased bond for having weathered the intensity of our intense exchange. In our final outcome-disposition session (Session 12), when asked what made the difference, without hesitation Kevin notes the breakthrough in Session 9 and the insights gained in that setback session.

Takeaways

So what exactly are viewers reacting to when they see our setback demo? Many say they like how real it is and that my anger shows how much I care. Others are relieved to see an expert lose their cool because it has happened to them, and still others appreciate my recovery and reasserting of the model in a therapeutic manner. Detractors of the setback are not happy with my getting angry at the patient and raising my voice and shaming the client. There are sometimes comments about my being a privileged white male who is asserting my power in a paternalistic way. There are some native cultures in Australia and the United States who find my approach offensive towards a vulnerable client. My UK colleague and friend Dr. Zaffer Iqbal reviewed the setback in isolation (not having seen the previous sessions) and noted, “Oh, the Brits will never go for that!” Incidentally, while we have heard some negative feedback from our UK colleagues, the overall take has been quite positive (also, seeing the setback within the context of a demo of a full course of care is very important). Still others object to my personalizing the crisis and focusing on Kevin’s not calling me on my cell—and notably many clinicians are not comfortable sharing their personal cell phone number. And some say it is never okay to let the client see the clinician get upset.

Recently for suicide prevention month (September 2020), our training company posted a new video on our website of the same setback session, with Dr. Crowley reprising his role of Kevin. But this time the clinician is Dr. Blaire Ehret, who is a VA Staff Psychologist (Dr. Ehret got her Ph.D. at Catholic U and worked in my lab and is now a CAMS-care consultant). The goal was to show that within this same provocative session, a different clinician could handle the same situation quite differently and still adhere to the CAMS model. Dr. Ehret did an outstanding job; she never once lost her cool. She was empathic to Kevin’s anger and validated his feelings of betrayal with no particular pushback. Kevin the client eventually comes around and responds to her earnest appeals to look more closely at what has happened. I watched it and marveled at how reactive I still felt towards Kevin’s pointed attacks of the clinician, and I appreciated her composure and patience. We have received very positive feedback about this redo of the setback session, and it shows there is more than one way to do this kind of work and the model still prevails in both versions. And unlike my version, it is hard to imagine anyone being offended by the way Dr. Ehret does the same session!

So what is the point? The setback clearly evokes a lot in those who see it. Do I regret having reacted so strongly in the original rendition? Yeah, a bit; I wish I had not raised my voice quite as much as I did. But then again, no, because it is me—warts and all—and who among us is perfect at doing this? I certainly know that I am not perfect! How about you? What is plain to me is that being real, earnest, honest, and responsible matters a lot. My reaction was real, my attempts to apologize were earnest and honest, and I calmed down and recovered. I gently pushed to achieve a therapeutic breakthrough, and, in the end, I think I was quite responsible, owning my imperfection but still endeavoring to achieve a “teachable moment” which my client ultimately appreciated as the turning point within this demo of using CAMS.

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Who among us is perfect at doing something as complex as psychotherapy? Is it better to train by showing relative perfection, or is it better to be real in showing a setback and then recovering? Clearly, I favor the latter. But I respect those who disagree and have strong opinions otherwise. Perhaps it is useful to reflect on the evolution of psychoanalysis during the 20th century. Early analysts saw clinicians’ reactions (like becoming emotional) as countertransference and evidence of poor training (i.e., time to go back into analysis to rid oneself of such reactions). Then there was a notable shift as drive theory psychoanalysis split off into various relational models (e.g., the British School of Object Relations and Self Psychology).

I am a fan of these relational models, particularly as they relate to the evolving notion of countertransference, as increasingly such reactions have been seen as data about the client. What the client evokes in the therapist can be helpfully used to directly inform and shape interventions. Rather than being admonished as an imperfect clinician in need of further psychoanalysis, the relational models emphasize using the clinician’s own reactions as a valuable part of the therapeutic exchange. Perhaps not surprisingly, I love Kohut’s argument that invariably there will always be empathic failures; the key is how one handles such failures in order to create a therapeutic moment. Believe me, such a view is music to the ears of beginning clinicians. And for my part, I want the people I train to see that while all of us are imperfect, there are appropriate ways to work within our imperfections for therapeutic good. Should beginning clinicians and even seasoned clinicians actually see a setback and consider the range of ways of responding? There is no doubt in my mind. And until I finally master being perfect, I will continue to show struggles in my trainings and how such struggles can ultimately be made into therapeutic gold!

Then My Christianity Kicked In

My father told me that his grandmother practiced Santeria by wearing amulets and skirts of various colors and surrounding herself with stones in order to honor the various deities. She also made herbal remedies. I remember him explaining to me that this practice was no different from other religious traditions, that it was not witchcraft, did not hurt others, and was deeply spiritual. He believed that it was looked down upon because of its origins in slavery and false association with witchcraft.

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However, I grew up mostly with my mother’s side of the family, in which everyone is (was) actively involved in the Christian faith. I, too, practiced Christianity for many years, although not as devoutly as they did. My family actively distanced itself from those who practiced Santeria. While they acknowledged it as a religion, they even more deeply believed that it was about hurting others, did not honor God in the way that Christians do, was equivalent to witchcraft, and sought to lead followers down a path of misery and suffering. My family also believed that according to Santeria, we bring spirits with us when we die, which for them was the equivalent of demonic possession.

Recently, while interning as a counseling trainee at a local Hospice facility, these two religious pathways intersected most dramatically for me. I had stopped by the room of one of our residents, a middle-aged Cuban woman who had recently suffered a stroke and whose life had been cut short by cerebral arteriosclerosis. She would soon be leaving behind two sisters and two daughters.

As I stood in the doorway to her room, about to knock, I noticed her stones, crystals, and spirit dolls, material staples of Santeria practice. While I know people who practice the religion, I have never had, nor taken, the opportunity to speak with them about it. While the religious adornments in her room were not what I would call “extreme,” I was immediately uncomfortable. I remember thinking, “Oh, wow, what do I do now? and “Why does she have this around,” and “I don’t want to touch these things.” In looking back at that moment, I worried that my lack of experience with and knowledge of the practices of Santeria might taint my interactions with this woman.

It was at that moment that my Christianity kicked in. All those negative messages I had heard over the years about Santeria swirled in my head as I stood there unable, or perhaps unwilling, to enter. I felt caught between the competing pulls of my rigid, conservative Christian religious upbringing and my desire to enter the patient’s space and in some way be helpful. It was like trying to simultaneously focus on two discordant melodies, and not being able to clearly hear either. I realized that I was there to help this woman, to be present and open to “her,” but felt guilty for somehow betraying the values of my family. My Christianity had never been put to this kind of test.

While I so wanted to help ease her burden of impending death, I also felt guilty for not being able in the moment to fully put aside the biases I had been exposed to regarding Santeria. I remember telling myself to stay open-minded, but was painfully aware of feeling that I wasn’t going to be able to help her at all. I took a deep breath and entered her room, trying as best I could to free myself from the gravitational pull of that doorway and my inherited beliefs. I really had no choice but to push forward, at least for the moment. I knew as I entered the room that I would have to revisit this painful moment of conflict if I was to become the therapist I hoped someday to be.

When I later spoke with the patient’s daughters and sisters, each of them kind and compassionate, I realized that they, too, were having difficulty, but not for the same reasons I was. They were struggling to come to terms with the impending loss of their loved one rather than with her religious practices. I worked hard to focus on their pain so that I could be there for them as they were attempting to be there for my patient.

During that first meeting with the patient and her family, I had difficulty freeing my gaze from the dolls and scent of Florida water perfume, said to bring peace, luck, and fortune. We did not discuss Santeria—that was my issue, although I probably could’ve asked how Santeria played a role in their lives and that of my patient. They shared that my patient was the one who had been responsible for bringing most of her family from Cuba and how she was this larger-than-life person. This small but deeply significant piece of family history helped me almost instantly to see my patient as someone larger than the small, frail woman who just happened to practice a faith so different from the one in which I had been raised.

Subsequent family meetings focused on their efforts to accept the impending physical loss of their loved one and how they were attempting to build a support system around one of my patient’s daughters who was in the grips of addiction. They, like every other family in Hospice, irrespective of religious practice, were trying to come together. When my patient finally passed, they were saddened but relieved that she was no longer in pain.

I have not historically viewed myself as a closed-minded person, but in retrospect see how my faith, my religion, came with blinders. I won’t soon forget that initial feeling of discomfort when I stood in that doorway, caught between two different worlds and self-focused. My biases were laid bare that day, and thankfully, I was able to hold them in check just long enough to be of use to that dying woman. I now realize that moments of growth and self-awareness are not always accompanied by good feelings. I am, however, willing to learn, and I am taking the opportunity to better understand Santeria, and what it means to take a giant step away from certain aspects of my family history without feeling diminished or disconnected. It helps that in this my second-to-last semester of graduate studies that I am enrolled in a diversity course and am trying to be a better version of myself, so that the next time I stand in an uncomfortable doorway, I will walk inside with a lighter step.

Confessions of a Student Counsellor

Both Sides Now

At the time of this writing, I have one semester to go before completing my Master of Counselling degree, and I am sixty-five hours into the one hundred required hours of counselling contact hours of my student placement. I am still unsure as to who has received the lion’s share of therapy during these sixty-five hours, my clients or me?

This has not been my first exposure to the rudiments of counselling, however—I had some years of experience in addictions counselling and case management and no shortage of support work in various fields to ease me into the relative displacement of a professional counselling placement. At forty-seven years of age, I have undergone many transitions and life experiences.

Nevertheless, the Masters has been quite a proficient primer and prodder of the all-too-many things I didn’t (and still don’t) know about counselling practice, and of the myriad of things that I need to know in order to provide effective and ethical therapy for a range of concerns and to a broad demographic.

Having had experience in various counselling settings—and being quite familiar with both sides of the counsellor’s chair—together with the fact that I consider myself an avid collector of knowledge, particularly in this field, I still felt a strange cognitive dissonance of both excited preparedness and complete inadequacy to the task at hand at the commencement of my placement. But that was then. At sixty-five hours in, I am a worldly veteran!

The first thing that stood out to me about my placement experience was how pretty much every session turned into a countertransference case study from my ethics class, except that I was the subject. I knew about countertransference. I had studied it. Experienced it. Was consciously aware of it. Prepared, I thought. But I never really had that meta-cognition before that one develops, both while counselling and in the post-session self-flagellation…ahem, reflective practice.

Almost every session seemed like a mirroring of the personal life struggles I had faced, parallel processes of my current situations, relatables that were bone deep. The client I was sitting with was recounting the very relationship issues I had struggled with. Of course I was batting for him! My heart was filled with sympathy, my responses were, albeit textbook, empathetic, while my mind was firing off mostly Andrew-shaped responses ready for delivery. Often, I would catch myself before essentially counselling myself instead of my client. Sometimes I was too late and would realise, embarrassingly, later that day or week. More often than not, in supervision. Or because of past supervisions.

Or I could be sitting in front of the horrifying ghost of my mother-self. That is, this particularly triggering, discomforting, and disquieting quality that my mother possessed which I painfully one day realised I had inherited, now (mostly) exorcised out of me (thank you therapists circa 2000-2004, 2008-2009, 2012-2013 and 2020-2021; you know who you are). Noticing the life force draining from my being, I would sometimes sit across from the ghost-client in a sorrowful-seething state of frustration, compassion, bewilderment, intrigue, and hopelessness. I could swing between feeling annoyed and way out of my depths to such misguided compassion that I would feel the urge to take them home and care for them.

Going it Alone

Something I knew before but re-experienced in a fresh new light during my placement is that a significant part of learning to be a counsellor is essentially done alone. There is generally no direct supervision. There is no one in the room to monitor the minutiae of one’s work. There is no direct feedback loop. It is not as if your supervisor has a document to proofread. There is no material structure to assess for imperfections or to correct. No one is surveying clients at the end of sessions to establish trainee performance. No one is there to say, “Hmmm, maybe when you froze for a minute and a half with silence…” or “Perhaps Texas Hold ’em Poker isn’t the most appropriate game to play in a session with a six-year-old…” Of course, there are opportunities to be observed by colleagues and supervisors or to record sessions and review them. But this is limited in its scope and practicability. And daunting as hell! Or as daunting as having my own personal therapy sessions broadcast to the world, perhaps. Being utterly exposed. Vulnerable.

Sitting with clients who have just expressed something, there are a plethora of potential responses in any given moment of a therapy session. Sometimes they flow readily and easily. At other times they feel forced. And in some cases, when a response hasn’t felt right, an also potential plethora of self-reflective doubt and questioning can follow: “Did I say the right thing?”; “How am I going with this client? Doesn’t seem to be any progress being made”; “What is the correct intervention to use here?”; “They have been coming for three sessions now, why won’t they volunteer something… anything?!” Being left to one’s own devices (well, me to mine) can leave one unsure at times about particular interventions to use, ways of progressing through impasse, whether or not to refer, whether I am beyond my professional competence, and one’s capacity to be a counsellor, which can undermine self-trust and even self-worth.

And then at other times, when I am feeling in my flow, when I have recognised counselling greatness in myself—you know, when a client has expressed eternal gratitude or you witness a breakthrough or an insight emerges—then I can quite easily develop that very shiny, bulletproof sheen of self-satisfaction and self-congratulation, feeling like the king of the counselling castle! Either polarity can be both misguided and unhelpful to me, I have discovered, and, left alone with such musings, can be a potentially missed opportunity to see beyond my own perspectives and to develop my practice.

Thank goodness we are not completely alone during this, at times, trial by fire. Having practicing colleagues around is such a comforting and valuable scaffold of support. I am fortunate to be doing my placement in a medium-size clinic providing both psychology and counselling services, so there are usually at least a few others to talk to or debrief to if needed. I am aware, however, that others’ placements are more isolated and devoid of such support, and I have witnessed the emotional and psychological strain that this can take. I am very grateful to be developing in the kind of environment where I feel supported and not alone. Hmmmm, maybe there’s a market for a Tinder-like app for counsellors in isolation?

I think there is a limit, however, to how far collegial support can go. There are certainly limits to my own (and I am guessing other humans’) capacity to expose oneself in the workplace. Especially as an up-and-coming trainee counsellor, wanting to exude competence and confidence at every opportunity (I am willing to admit that could just be me, but I suspect not). Clinical supervision during my counselling placement has been a great support and I think the site of my most focussed learning during this Masters and certainly during my placement. I am fortunate to have both group and individual clinical supervision. They are both supportive, instructive and provide opportunities to develop and learn from others’ practice. I have found that it is in individual supervision, however, that I have the greatest opportunity to be vulnerable and to shed light on the more shadowy areas of my practice. It feels a bit safer than group supervision and I like its structure, containment, consistency, and predictability.

Maybe Not Completely

I am fortunate that I was paired with an external clinical supervisor by my university placement team whom I like and respect, but, most importantly, with whom I feel safe. Safe to say (almost) anything to. Safe to expose my insecurities and doubts to, to be able to tell them what I did and said in a session, for example, without any debilitating apprehension. They provide safety and security in calling me out when needed, ensuring I understand my limits and blind spots. Kind of like a parent’s love in providing firm and consistent boundaries to an overly exuberant child. They encourage me and validate me, sharing their own stumbles and falls. But the catch is, as I recognised a while ago, I must be willing to be vulnerable and uncomfortable and wrong, again and again, to gain the most from this. I must be willing to be a beginner again and again and again if I am to grow and develop as a person and as a therapist. But this is hard to do at times. For fear of judgement (self and other), feeling inadequate and for (the generally unfounded) fear of finding out that maybe I am not cut out for this profession. The most satisfying, albeit challenging, learning I have experienced during this placement, and the Masters too, has been exposing myself in supervision.

Like when I reluctantly discussed a client I had seen once whom I suspected to be beyond my scope of competence. Reluctant because I was personally and professionally very curious and they claimed they weren’t in a position to engage in costly treatment options and so I really wanted to keep working with them. And I suspected that if I spoke about them in supervision (and to my line manager) that they would advise referral. But I did. And it was right. And I referred. It was frustrating and challenging, but a great experience to have in the sandpit. And I incidentally had reflected to me my potential for a hero complex. Ouch! But yes, probably accurate. Or when I spoke about how I responded to an awkward situation with a child client and their mother, suspecting I didn’t handle it very well and wanting input. And then getting feedback that challenged as well as expanded me, reinforcing that I really do not know what I do not know as well as not knowing what I do know, too. These things can sting for a bit, but I am a better counsellor for it.

Just like when I have been in therapy myself, the more I am willing to be vulnerable and uncomfortable and reveal those shadowy parts of myself, so too in my counselling role (especially as a trainee), the more I allow this, the more space I make within myself to expand. I make the space for learning and growth and development and career and life satisfaction and ideally to be a more effective therapist and, of course, to do no harm.

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I recall a brief conversation I had with a university lecturer this year, a seasoned counselling psychologist and academic. I was reflecting on the challenges of not knowing it all and bemoaning if I would ever feel competent as a counsellor. Their response was heartening to me, then and now. They related to this feeling, stating that they still occasionally felt this way. But they also knew that they are a damn good therapist and a valuable resource for their clients. Nice.

Where Do the Therapist’s Tears Come From

I would like to think that as a psychotherapist, I know where the tears of my clients come from. Perhaps, in the moment, they are experiencing an emotional breakthrough, an encounter with an estranged part of themselves, which has come into consciousness. Or perhaps they are bravely reliving a past trauma, which will hopefully result this time in a different, less painful imprint on their soul. But at the same time, moments like these have also been important ones for me, as I witness this cathartic unfolding in the safe space that I have helped craft, in which the client can face and express some of their most difficult feelings. And in that shared moment, I encourage the client not to hold back, not to feel embarrassed, but to acknowledge their tears and allow their emotion to spring to the fullest. But could it also be that such special moments have also elicited powerful emotions in me? Is it my role to simply welcome them in the context of the healing relationship, or is there something more in it for me, more personal and sensitive in what I feel in these moments? Most of us have watched films where the therapist dives headlong into the emotional wave of their client’s story. In the film Good Will Hunting, we witness a heart-warming scene in which the misty-eyed, unconventional psychologist, Sean, played by Robin Williams, embraces young, delinquent but traumatised Will, played by Matt Damon, when the latter sobs after a profound emotional breakthrough. How often do we encounter something like this in “real” practice? Probably not that often. Indeed, the landmark TV series In Treatment takes an approach that arguably resembles much more the “real” practice of psychotherapy. The series takes us through the sessions of the protagonist-psychotherapist, Paul who practices from a psychodynamically-informed, relational therapeutic model. Even though Paul does indeed connect with his clients in a deep way, and even if many of their struggles trigger strong emotional reactions in him, he never lets them become too visible, nor does he allow himself to become tearful. Instead, following “standard” professional practice, he brings his reactions and feelings to his own personal therapist or to his supervisor, whose validation seems quite important to him. So, are the therapist’s tears “allowed” in front of clients or not? What does psychotherapy research actually say about this? Not much, actually! Even though there has been a good amount written on how to manage the client’s tears within the therapeutic encounter, the therapist’s tears—in the presence of their clients—have until recently been almost entirely ignored in the literature. Could this be because this is such a rare phenomenon that is not even worth investigating? Maybe, but then again, maybe not, as one of the few studies addressing this issue revealed that a large number of the surveyed psychologists and trainees reported having cried at some point with their clients, and almost a third of them had experienced this within the last four weeks. An interesting related finding was that crying in session did not actually correlate with the therapist’s personality, gender, or with other demographic factors, except for that older and more experienced practitioners seem to become tearful in therapy more often as compared to their younger colleagues. And these more senior therapists exhibited a lower frequency of crying in their daily lives, which discredits the assumption that their in-session tears more likely reflected a generalized increased emotionality, or even psychological instability. In any case, such feelings seem to be important for a great number of therapists, as approximately half of them bring this topic to their supervisors and possibly even more are concerned about but never discuss them, as they are among the “most-avoided” topics in supervision. So it seems that while many therapists have dealt with this issue of crying in session with their clients, very few actually talk about it, and even fewer researchers and authors write about it. Could this be because we still largely view this phenomenon as a weakness, as an embarrassment for a healing profession, and we would much rather not expose this weakness to others and to the public in general? But is it really a weakness? Does it happen just because we are unable to control our emotions, and does it really harm clients when they witness it? Would it make sense then to ask the clients themselves how they actually perceive it? As it turns out, a survey was performed on clients, indicating that the way they perceived their therapist’s tears depended on their overall perception of the therapist. For example, a client may already view their therapist as empathetic and sensitive, so would perceive emotional displays such as tears as being related to these qualities of caregiving. But if the clinician spontaneously bursts into tears in response to an otherwise neutral narrative, the client might understandably associate this reaction with something very personal to the therapist which may be largely irrelevant to them. In this latter scenario, this seemingly unrelated emotional display on the part of the therapist could compromise the client’s confidence in their clinician or might even activate feelings of guilt for causing them psychological distress. It seems fair to conclude that clients do not necessarily interpret their therapist’s tears as “this is too much for me to handle,” but may also interpret them as “I can feel how sad this is for you.” As a therapist, tears rarely come to my eyes in session. Usually I can hold them back, especially if the client is already too emotional. But I may occasionally allow myself to become misty-eyed if I feel they could use some non-verbal encouragement to visit a difficult area of their lives. However, the last time I experienced this, it actually reflected a mix of sadness, release, and contentment—sadness about the painful feelings my client was expressing, release about the arrival of their realization and insight, and contentment for the opportunities for their future that came with this insight. I had been working therapeutically for some time with a couple. Despite their challenges and their somewhat turbulent relationship history, they did love each other, wanted to live together, and discussed a shared future. However, something invisible was getting in the way that prevented this from happening. Towards the end of one particular session, one of the clients was talking about his persistent worries of being inadequate, should he and his partner decide to live together. I suggested that this worry might be getting in the way of committing to her and that perhaps he believed that no matter what and regardless of how much he tried, he would once again and eventually let her down, that she would never really accept him for who he is, and that he would ultimately be rejected. I wondered aloud if this fear was coming from a different place, perhaps earlier attachments which stopped him from giving himself into this relationship? This client became emotional and began sobbing as his girlfriend embraced him, saying, “I love you and accept you as you are, I don’t expect you to change anything, I know you are not perfect, but I have chosen you.” In that moment of his emotional release, I experienced a sense of vicarious catharsis as I re-experienced the familiar feeling of letting out a hidden, inner burden from a space deep inside of me, where it had resided for far too long. Once liberated, that painful feeling leaves room for an even deeper sense of trust in the other and openness to merging. As if sitting front row in an ancient Greek drama and experiencing by proxy the protagonist’s catharsis, the essence of drama, according to Aristotle. My eyes welled up with tears, and my clients, upon seeing my emotions laid bare, said, “we better go now, otherwise we will make Nicholas cry, too!” As they said that, I happily left them with each other and said goodnight, closed the lid of my laptop, and stared at the English rain outside of my window.

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So, where do therapists’ tears come from? It seems as if they are coming from so many different places that trying to track and trace their roots could just end up in drying up their wellspring… they may not always be so welcomed or comfortable, by either the therapist or client, but they do carry something rich, deep, and ineffable that words possibly cannot express.

Thinking of You Too

I don’t typically assign homework to patients, at least not in the traditional sense. But when patients ask for something to work on during the week, something that would help maintain the momentum they’ve gathered in resolving distress, I suggest they think about our work—to reflect on the themes we’re uncovering and how they apply to their current experiences. I emphasize that while growth starts in session, it is a process that continues after.

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The work of therapy is not limited to 50-minute sessions every week; it’s happening during all that time in between, too—for both patients and therapists. I think about my patients after sessions as well; it is only natural when we’re working persistently, week after week, to understand sources of distress and facilitate change. Some of my own insights about my relationships with patients occur when I’m off the clock. And in the same way I ask patients to make sense of their thoughts, it’s equally important that I do the same.

The Regulars

While picking up the living room the other night, it suddenly occurred to me: my patient earlier in the day had spent the entire session attempting to get my approval in the same indirect way he tried to engage with his mother in the past. Amaan* and I had been working together for almost two years, and a large theme in our work has been recognizing his mother’s limited capacity for offering emotional support and the impact this has had on his efforts in current relationships. Amaan has made great progress in integrating his experiences of his mother, coming to terms with what she may never be able to give him; I realized suddenly that he was trying to cast me in that now-vacant role. In session, he had listed the areas in which he felt he had grown, the insights he had fostered about himself, and the clarity with which he felt he could move forward. I actually agreed entirely with him, but there was something about the way he expected me to corroborate his own opinions, as though anything but clear agreement on my part would undermine all his progress.

I thought about why this did not occur to me during session; after all, this is someone I’ve come to know very well, and was part of a conversation related to the exact theme we’ve been identifying for quite some time. I’ve gathered that at times, my patients’ ways of relating directly complement my own—I enjoy validating their experiences and highlighting progress we’ve made together. Recognizing Amaan’s progress would also mean an opportunity in recognizing my own as his therapist, but I have to remind myself this is not about my own ego. With this discovery, I can return to future sessions with even more awareness of what Amaan is attempting to reconstruct in our relationship and identify his efforts in real time. More importantly, I can encourage him to take faith in his own progress as he recognizes it, not through me.

Realizing blind spots are not the only reasons I find myself thinking about patients, though. Sometimes I find myself thinking about them out of genuine care, concern, and curiosity for what they are going through. Did their husband take the news well? They were grappling with whether to call their mom—what did they decide? Did our session help provide any clarity? When I find myself wanting to know more, I think about what this says of the patient more than it says of me. Perhaps the patient’s general motivation is to keep others engaged by employing a “stay tuned” attitude—and it certainly works. Maybe it is unlike a patient to attract this much concern, which is even more telling of the gravity of their distress.

Other times, a patient stays with me in a gnawing way, long after the session is over. I wonder if they’re feeling it, too. This feeling lingers after sessions where it felt like a patient was not feeling something enough. These moments feel like a dramatic irony, in which I see the whole story but they’re not yet ready to. Depending on the patient, I may use these thoughts to motivate an intervention—point out distorted thinking or question their assumptions. But if it feels so strong, I may realize that this patient needs me to hold on to the feelings they cannot yet own until they are fully capable of doing so. And that guides our work—preparing them for a realization instead of directly handing them one.

The Absentees

What about the patients who regularly cancel or forget? The patients who are ambivalent about therapy, saying that they really want to be here, but their attendance say otherwise. How is it that the patients we see less often seem to take up the most space in our minds? I’ve gathered that they use their absence to communicate something to me—to shake things up, to make me feel more toward them, to get me more engaged, only for them to walk away. When patients cancel repeatedly, or even no-show, I’ve learned that rather than take feelings toward them at face value, it’s more beneficial to use these feelings as a cue to their ambivalence about treatment.

Melanie* is a newer patient of mine, unknown to therapy in the past. In session she would often say she wasn’t sure if therapy would be helpful and was confused as to why she was here in the first place. After her initial distress regarding her relationship with her father had subsided, she grappled with how to use the space, minimized other stressors, and looked to me for direction. Her anxiety about being in therapy but not knowing how to make use of the time likely explains her frequent cancellations without request to reschedule.

Initially, I offered to reschedule and was usually met with the impossibility of doing so. Over time, I began to feel resentful of the way in which she treated our relationship and disappointed in being more interested in her experience than she was. These feelings stayed with me, and I wondered for a while how to make sense of them. Why did I seem to care more than she did? I remembered how she had a “one foot in, one foot out” attitude at the start of most sessions but eventually warmed up after a few minutes. Her ambivalence made sense all of a sudden—she needed validation for the pain she felt so deeply before being able to commit to the space and herself.

The Graduates

And then there are the patients I’ve worked with in the past. I wonder so often how they are doing—if they ever married that guy we spent so many sessions talking about, if they ever found what they were looking for that we could not seem to find together, if they think about the relationship we shared at all. For some time in both our lives, we were constants for each other. For as much as I was a part of their lives, they were a part of mine. Therapeutic relationships coming to an end means coming to terms with possibly never hearing from our patients again. But I still let myself wonder how they’re doing. When I think of these patients, I am reminded of what seemed to be most helpful, what wasn’t, what they learned, and what I did. I think about how much I’ve grown and changed because of every relationship I have had with a patient and how to make meaning of this growth for myself and other patients.

From time to time, I have run into some previous patients. Pauline* stands out to me, since I ran into her at a time when I was going through some personal life transitions and was caught off guard in seeing her. But in the few minutes we spoke, she shared that she had made many steps forward in ways we hadn’t even spoken about but in ways she was very proud of. And I was so proud of her, too. I remember when our work ended, I wondered if I could have done more to foster more insight and self-compassion. She had not accomplished her goals in the ways she intended at the start and our work had to end abruptly. In running into her, I learned that even if our relationship ended, the work continued. She too was changed because of it, and it continued to impact her motivation to take steps toward herself.

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Patients wonder if we think about them just as they are thinking about us. When I tell patients that I think of them or disclose that something they said has stayed with me since the last session, I can detect both surprise that they are remembered and relief for finally being seen. We want our patients to make meaning of therapy and take in the work. I think that when they realize we’ve internalized them, they’ll finally do the same.

A Revealing Moment

Each week, my interns submit a summary of their clinical hours along with a “process note,” pretty standard training fare. These notes are supposed to document their internal ups and downs; the good, bad, and ugly of their week with clients whose challenges and pathologies are probably a bit above their current pay grade. Good learning opportunity, I often rationalize, especially since they have competent on-site supervisors who are there to teach, train, and support their burgeoning yet fragile clinical identities.

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If the academic/clinical interface were a bit tighter, I would have these folks work their way up from simple and acute disorders to the more severe and chronic pathologies as they evolved through their training. But such is not always possible. So, for most of my trainees, this entails some arduous hikes on those steep and unmarked learning curves that we more seasoned clinicians have experienced—and still may.

Sure, we process some of the more complex clinical challenges in class, and they are in resource-rich learning environments at their sites, but for the most part this is boots-on-the-ground OJT-101. Such was recently the case, when one of my interns wrote in his process note, “I find myself dealing with [a] therapeutic boundary [with a client who] was giving signals of perversion [related to] the dress code. I felt uncomfortable and reported [this] to my supervisor, and the client was confronted. I felt supported and protected.”

I was curious about what he actually meant by the word “perversion,” given the loaded and historically pejorative nature of the term. Upon follow-up, I discovered that in this intern’s culture, women are quickly and quite aggressively shamed and oftentimes punished by family and community if they act or dress in a way that is considered immoral and violates biblical principles.

The client was a 32-year-old female attendee in a day-treatment program who, in the intern’s words, had chosen to wear “a cut-off shirt without a bra and see-through sport leggings without panties.” In that moment of discomfort, my intern abruptly ended the session by telling the client that he had to attend an intake session. He then went to his supervisor for guidance. While I was very glad that the intern took this immediately to his supervisor who gave him the support and protection he needed at the time, I was dismayed that in that very uncomfortable moment, perhaps understandably, he simply told the client that he had an intake to perform and abruptly ended the session. He lied to her.

Apparently, this was not the first time this client had approached therapy with a male clinician in this manner; she was subsequently transferred to a seasoned female clinician after her brief visit with my intern.

In retrospect, my intern understood that this might not have been the best way to handle the situation, but he had clearly been taken off guard by this “attractive woman,” was intensely uncomfortable, and expressed concern that if he did not act immediately that his “imagination” might get ahead of him. While he momentarily considered the possible role of transference in this client’s wardrobe choice, he was even more relieved that his supervisor and the clinical director handled the situation “sensibly and professionally.”

This scenario brought me back to an incident during my own training when, during a practicum placement in a state psychiatric hospital, my supervisor decided it would be instructional to set up an intake for me with one of the “chronic” patients. Soon after being ushered into the seclusion room with me—a strange choice of setting—the patient sat down facing me with her bathrobe open and nothing underneath. All I remember about that tortuous moment in time was that I froze. As then, as if from thin air, my supervisor emerged from behind the one-way mirror and into the room. Upon my supervisor’s entry, the patient immediately sat erect, closed her bathrobe, and had the most delightful conversation with my supervisor, who later said to me, “I can write a book about any patient after meeting with them once.”

In retrospect, I believe, knowing what I later learned about this man, that it was an exercise designed to humor him and shame me. After my initial embarrassment and sense of ineptitude receded, the shame set in.

Getting back to my own intern, I was very aware of not wanting to shame him and wanting his own moment of torture to be a learning opportunity for him and the rest of the class. So I asked them all to consider what they might have said in that moment, while my intern listened in and then reflected upon their responses. These included, “I probably would have done something very similar,” “I would have told her about boundaries and that I was not comfortable continuing the session,” and “I would have ended the session and rescheduled after telling her that her attire was inappropriate for the setting.”

Each of their responses was appropriate given their level of experience, but in retrospect, I was a bit disappointed, perhaps unrealistically, that none of them had considered the possibility that this client’s choice of attire might actually not have been a choice, at least not a conscious one. So, I wondered out loud with them about the possibilities that she had been sexually assaulted or trafficked or both, and/or had come to rely on seduction to navigate relationships of power imbalance, particularly with men. It might have been erotic transference. Or perhaps, it might have been none of these, and she was simply proud of her body, and had chosen not to heed past messages around the inappropriateness of this behavior.

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As I write this, I am an hour out from my supervision class in which I hope the incident will come up again; if it doesn’t, I will bring it back into focus. I’ll be most interested to know what about that client’s behavior triggered my intern to consider it a “perversion.” Hopefully, he will not feel the shame I did many years ago, and we will have a rich discussion.

What would you have done?
 

Jude Austin on Wisdom for Counseling Students and Educators

Into the Wilderness

Lawrence Rubin: Why did you entitle your latest book “Surviving and Thriving in Your Counseling Program?” It sounds like you’re sending them out into the wilderness with a backpack and a knife and saying, “Good luck. Let me know how you’re doing in three years.”
Jude Austin: When my brother Julius, who is also my writing partner, and I were thinking about the title for this book, that’s the image we had in our minds. You get equipped in graduate school with these different tools, skills, and attitudes and then go off and get your Ph.D., and you think you’re prepared.

But when you’re sitting in that first session unsupervised, you just feel this sense of, “I need an adult and a Swiss Army knife of some type.” So, that’s kind of what we wanted this book to be—a Swiss Army knife for counseling students and counselor educators who were reading it and feeling out of touch with their students like, “Hey, this is what they’re going through!" So yeah, we wanted it to come across as if this was your guide to surviving but also thriving in your counseling program.
LR: Sort of a field guide to counselor educators and counseling students and an army knife with different utilities. Can graduate counseling programs ever adequately prepare students for what’s to come?
JA:  
when you’re sitting in that first session unsupervised, you just feel this sense of, “I need an adult
That’s the million-dollar question. It depends on the type of program—and there are different types. You have programs that train clinicians, and then you have programs that train people who become clinicians. The counseling program that I teach in at the University of Mary Hardin Baylor focuses on the person of the therapist.

When beginning therapists (interns) are out there in the clinical wilderness, and all their practiced techniques fail, we want them to fall back on themselves as the tool. If a counseling program focuses on developing the person, their attitudes, awareness, and then helps them to develop some skills along the way, then I think that person has something solid to fall back on.
LR: What happens when you have a counselor educator who understands the importance of building self, self-esteem, and relational, not just technical, skills, paired with a student who thinks that they’re the finished product? Or perhaps an older student whose cup is already too full or a younger one who hasn’t yet been put in a position where they’ve been tested either interpersonally or emotionally?
JA: I struggle with that sometimes. We get students who come in with already-filled cups because they’ve had a successful career or currently have many competing obligations including family. They may feel like, “I know this. All I really need is for you to give me that paper at the end of this, and I’ll be fine.

I see that as an invitation to build a relationship with that student so that we can model the relationship we want them to have with clients
I see that as an invitation to build a relationship with that student so that we can model the relationship we want them to have with clients. I don’t see that confidence or arrogance as a threat, and I don’t want to humble them. I feel like that’s what a lot of counselor educators tend to do anyway; something like “We’ve got to do something that will break them down.”
LR: Drop them to their knees.
JA: Yeah, drop them to their knees! I feel like a better approach—or at least one that’s helpful for me, is to help that student understand what they do know and what they don’t know. It’s not about bringing them down to where they can sit humbly with a client. It’s about saying, “Okay, what do you have that works for you? And what do you have that doesn’t work? And how can we work around that and use it to build a better counselor?”

Getting What They Need

LR: Have you encountered such students or those who are clearly trying to work through their own issues either early on in training or while they are actually providing therapy?
JA: That’s OK, because it gives us an opportunity to help the student learn boundaries, because counseling is like that. I mean we get the clients we need, and so this isn’t going to be the first time they’re going through these kinds of issues and those issues come up. So, our job, or my job as the counselor educator, is to help that student understand that boundary.

That counseling student is actually in a good position to use the issues that they have experienced or are currently experiencing to build a better relationship with a client. And when the student is at that boundary and it is hindering the therapeutic relationship, the teaching moment is right there in front of them, as is the teaching tool for their supervisor. What you don’t want to do is set the stage where a student feels like, “I’ve got to get my shit together, or I can’t do this.” That’s just not sustainable.
LR: I like the idea that we help students understand that sometimes they get the clients they need. Try as I might to selectively place interns in facilities where they’re not going to be thrown to the lions, they invariably end up not only with clients they need but also with those who are very complex and well-beyond their skill and experience levels.
JA:
what you don’t want to do is set the stage where a student feels like, “I’ve got to get my shit together, or I can’t do this”
As far as I do it in supervision, it’s really just helping them navigate those multiple and often complex relationships. I try to do my best to encourage students to chew on things before they swallow it. We start them in practicum at our free, university-based community clinic before sending them on to internship at an outside site.

During internship, we tell them something like, “Hey, you’re going to be hearing some stuff and be asked to do some things at the site that may run counter to what we said or what we’ve trained you to do. And so, you’re out there in the world.” And so, they begin to learn, “How do I integrate some of the things I learned in school with what I’ll learn here and not allow it to negatively impact my development as a counselor?” I think the key is helping students recognize and take ownership over their own development, so they can’t be manipulated or pushed or pulled when a supervisor asks them to do something different from what they have been taught or experienced while in school.
I’ve seen many a student who goes off into a site with a supervisor who is overwhelmed or unprepared or not trained to be a supervisor because they are first and foremost a clinician. And so, students lose confidence and get set back. We as clinical educators have to help them take ownership over and protect their own personal and professional development.
LR: And we have to protect students from supervisors who might be overwhelmed, overwhelming, and/or incompetent.
JA:
we as clinical educators have to help them take ownership over and protect their own personal and professional development
Up to a point, I don’t want to rob them of the learning experience of being next to somebody who may be incompetent, unavailable, unhealthy, or who may be just not be a good role model. I want them to learn that. It’s kind of like when my son is climbing up stairs for the first time, I don’t want to be next to him and holding his hand. I want him to struggle and wait for him to ask for help.

Similarly, it’s about teaching that student when they need to come and tell me that something is beyond their capabilities, especially when they’re in internship. Because when they’re in internship, we need to make sure that they know how to strike that balance between knowing when it is necessary to ask for help and when it is not. Otherwise, they won’t build strong roots.
LR: They have to have their own immune system.
JA: Yeah, exactly.
LR: So, being a clinical educator/supervisor requires that we also strike a balance; between protecting and…
JA: …letting them struggle.
LR: Just like the APA Code of Ethics says…promoting autonomy while also making sure that they’re not a danger to themselves or others.
JA: I’ve had many supervision sessions where we’re just like, “This sucks.” You also have to build a relationship with their site supervisor. Sort of like co-parenting.

Rising or Falling

LR: If you were called on by the ACA to write a formula for predicting failure of a graduate counseling student, what would go into that equation?
JA: I had two thoughts but will share my second one first, which is about counselor educators. I’m a big believer that oftentimes our limitations as counselor educators can then become our student’s limitations. And so, if a student is failing—or failing to thrive—for some reason, then I merely have to look inward and be congruent and be healthy about the responsibility I take in that student’s failure and think, “Wow, is this a support issue? Maybe I didn’t prepare them enough. Maybe we didn’t have a big enough informed consent around what this would mean for them,” right?
LR: So, the second part of your answer, which comes first, is that if a student is on a track to fail or is failing to thrive, then it is the counselor educator’s job to look within to ask, as a parent might, “How have I failed to support this student’s thriving?”
JA:
our limitations as counselor educators can then become our student’s limitations
Yes. What are my limitations here?
LR: What’s the other part of your answer?
JA: I think sometimes they can’t be helped. And sometimes students come in not expecting how challenging the program is, not giving the challenge of this enough respect. If I were to create a formula for predicting a counseling student’s failure, I would probably say it has something to do with lack of awareness or acknowledgement of how challenging this program is, plus maybe a lack of support. They know it’s going to be hard, because it’s graduate school. But I don’t think they know how hard graduate counseling is, graduate psychology is. It asks a bunch of questions of you that, if you aren’t prepared to answer, it can have a domino effect in your relationships and your mental health and your ability to process things.
LR: Conversely, what do you think are some of the characteristics of the counseling graduate student who will thrive not only in graduate school but in their career, in their personhood, in their lives?
JA: The #1 characteristic for me is humility.
LR: Yeah, amen.
JA: And not just humility in the sense of self-deprecation. I mean this humbleness around the idea that maybe their reality isn’t the correct reality, and their willingness to allow their client’s reality to be correct for that client. It’s about cultural humility, to be able to come in and say, “Oh, man. There are some things that I don’t know. There are some things that I don’t perceive about the world like everyone else does, but I’m willing to learn.”

it’s not like people who are wounded or hurting can’t do this work. It’s just they have to work on the stuff that they need to work on
I think that’s the humility that I’m talking about, to be able to say, “Okay. Here’s my stuff. I’m going to work on my stuff.” And I think that’s the clear thing. It’s not like people who are wounded or hurting can’t do this work. It’s just they have to work on the stuff that they need to work on. And when students are aware of that and they’re doing that parallel kind of process, then it’s a beautiful thing. I feel like that’s when students can be successful.

So humility, for me, is the thing that we’re trying to foster in counseling students. And to be honest with you, a lot of the students that we accept are already good at this. We just give them skills and tools in the hopes that when they get to internship, they’ll remember who they were when they first started the program. And then when they remember that person, they can be that person with some skills and attitudes and knowledge. And so, if you can go through that process humbly, I feel like you can stay grounded and remember who you are. That’s kind of my perspective.
LR: So, it’s the counselor educator’s job to teach counseling students to hold onto who they are and maybe shave off or trim those parts of themselves that are going to get in the way, so they can become more psychologically lean but hopefully learn to become the person who is a counselor, not a counselor who is not sure who they are as a person.
JA: Yeah. Now, that sounds easier said than done. And I think that also means that as counselor educators, we have to do that too. We have to model that for students. We have to let them into our experience and our journey of becoming, step-by-step, more and more ourselves in supervision, in class. Let them into that process and show appreciation. One of the things that I say after each class is, “Thank you for letting me be myself.” And I invite students to do the same. When I mess up, when I forget my keys and I have to walk back to my car or when it’s just like it’s not a good lecture, owning that and showing them that this is what we want you to do in session.

Healer, Heal Thyself

LR: In the context of this piece of the conversation, what are your thoughts about counseling as a mandatory part of counseling training?
JA: You know, it’s strongly suggested in our program, strongly suggested. I feel like we build a culture of support in the sense that we have alumni who are now working in the field who kind of understand a little bit of what students are going through. And so we try our best to refer them out to clinicians in the area that can help. But mandatory? If I could make it mandatory, I think I would be at least a couple sessions. Just so you can see how it feels.

But making it mandatory? I feel it could be detrimental for students who aren’t ready to process their stuff. I mean if they’re not ready, it doesn’t mean that they can’t be good counselors, but here’s the thing. If you’re not working on your stuff, if you don’t go to counseling, you may become a really good technician but not a clinician. You can go and do skills, you can go and do theories, you can go in and do techniques and activities. But can you really connect with somebody? Can you have a therapeutic presence that allows that client to feel pulled toward you and can you evoke your client’s awareness? I don’t know if you can do that without working.

one of the things that I say after each class is, “Thank you for letting me be myself.” And I invite students to do the same
Yeah, it’s a dilemma. In a lot of ways, it’s safer to do rather than be, right? How can you cultivate a therapeutic environment where you feel safe enough to be? Most counseling students are going to graduate and feel like, “I know some stuff now.” But I think what makes our program special is that we really focus on training students to be, but not every student is ready for that, and that, too, is a dilemma. I notice it sometimes in clients with whom I am trying to connect on a deeper level, and they don’t want it.

They want… “Give me the coping skills. I don’t want to talk about…” And so, you have to meet that client where they are. And it’s the same thing with students and the same thing with the field, like allowing students to hear, “Hey. This is where the field is. This is what we’re trying to get you to do. We’re trying to find a balance between doing and being.”
LR: So if a student is not ready for internship for emotional, psychological reasons, what do they do instead? How do you work with a student who just is not ready for internship by all your standards but is insistent or demanding or even litigious about it?
JA: We go through this a lot. We have a couple of different options. This is not like a plug for our program, because I think most programs have this. By the time they get to internship, we want them to have a really good idea about how we feel about their potential to succeed or fail. We don’t want it to be a surprise. And so, by the time they get to internship, we’ve had that conversation where it’s like, “Hey. There’s a lot of things that you… There’s a lot of hang-ups. There’s a lot of things that could limit your success there. If you want to do it, we can’t stop you, but it may behoove you to take some time and then come back and start internship.” And if students are like, “No. I’m good. I want to do internship,” then we help them find an internship and a supervisor that could support that student’s limitations.

So, sometimes we’ll have students who are veterans, and maybe they experienced a TBI and they struggle with death work. And they acknowledge it, they know it. And so, we work with them to say, “Okay. What kind of work can you do? Where can you serve your community?" And so we try to guide them into the place where they could be most successful. But sometimes, rarely perhaps, I have students who are not ready to integrate it, and we just have to kind of let them survive… or not, you know? And when they don’t, we’re there to support them.

The Right to Fail

LR: I had a supervisor once, a very wise older woman who loved the metaphor of a safari guide. Her idea was that “As we walk through the terrain, I’ll point out the quicksand. I’ll point out the thickets and the brambles. If you choose to go into the quicksand, I’ll be waiting on the edge if I can help you.”
JA: Absolutely. And students have a right to fail. They very much have a right. And I think that’s the thing that we try to get students to understand. It’s like they’re not paying for this degree, they’re paying for an opportunity to get a degree. And if they destroy that opportunity because they go into an internship site when they’re not prepared to do so, there’s nothing that we can do about it. Those internship sites can hire you and fire you. If you get fired, there’s consequences. We’re very open about that.
LR: Do you ever experience transference/countertransference relationships with your students?
JA: I think I can answer this question in a way that’s most favorable for me [smiling]. I just genuinely care about the students and their success. When we accept a student into our program, when I’m working with a student, I see the impact they can have in their community, the ripple effect that they can have. And all I want for them is to be successful.

watching them struggle is the hardest part
And so it’s triggering because it’s like watching someone doing something that is going to hurt them but allowing them to get hurt so they learn the lesson. I think that’s the hardest part about being a counselor educator. I think that’s the countertransference, especially because I’m a relatively new dad of a two-year-old and a four-month-old. It’s like that same process of watching them go through it and identifying with that struggle.

So you just have this sense of ownership over that person’s development. And then when they get to internship, you’re letting it go and that ownership transitions to someone else—their site supervisor. And so, watching them struggle is the hardest part. And we go through that every year, because there isn’t an internship cohort that doesn’t have one or two students who is realizing at that moment like, “Oh, crap,” as they fall behind. It’s brutal because they have to watch their cohort members move forward.
LR: You clearly have a heart for your students and want them to succeed, but I want to push you on this one. What about those counseling students that you don’t like? You know, the ones that burrow under your skin or those that you simply don’t care about or like?
JA: I just try to put obstacles in their way, which means that I have to have that conversation that I don’t want to have but I know I need to have with that student earlier than other students. Like with that student that is burrowing under your skin, I very much experience a parallel process where I’m saying, “If this person is affecting me this way, they’re probably going to affect clients this way as well.”

that’s what I mean by obstacles, like slowing down their process so that they can gain awareness of how they affect other people
And so, before they even get to apply techniques, which is the second semester where they first learn how to do mock sessions, we need to have a conversation. We need to have that talk like, “Hey, you know that thing that you do in class? That’s annoying, man.” And what I try to do is say, “Whenever you…” Like if a student has a loud laugh, that’s saying like, “Pay attention to me,” right? What I try to get them to do is, “When you laugh, pay attention to everyone else’s reaction. Pay attention. Feel how you affect other people.” That’s what I mean by obstacles, like slowing down their process so that they can gain awareness of how they affect other people. Because if they’re affecting me, they’re going to affect other people.
LR: So, what you’re trying to do is not simply model empathy or pray to God that they sort it out through osmosis or some other way. Sometimes, you have to really just actively teach them what it means to be empathetic because in therapy, the audience is watching. The audience is listening
JA: Worst-case scenario, you’re doing it live in class and the student does something and you have to say, “Hey, pay attention to how everyone is feeling around you. Would anybody like to share how this person is affecting you right now?" And then sometimes I may say something like, “This is how I’m experiencing you right now. You don’t have to respond to it. This is just how I’m experiencing it. Do you want to be experienced in that way? Is that what you’re trying to get me to experience you?" And I think that’s kind of the learning that we need them to get.
LR: So, counselor educators need to manage their triggers so they can be most present for their counseling students, just as we ask counseling students to have those qualities with their clients.
JA: Exactly.

Straddling Two Worlds

LR: How do you balance on that tightrope separating the supervisory and therapeutic aspects of your role as a counselor educator?
JA: I straddle that line as carefully as possible, because that’s probably one of the most unexpected challenges my doctoral program prepared me for. And they can’t really prepare you for that. So, the way that I keep a boundary around it is that when I’m with a student, I’m always thinking about learning opportunities. I’m always thinking about teachable moments. And so, there’s times when I go there with a student, especially when we’re processing deep stuff. But there is a stopping point when it gets to, “Okay. We’ve got to stop because I feel like this is what you need to process in therapy. This is what’s affecting the client, that you need to process that in therapy.”

I’m always thinking about teachable moments
But when I can cultivate a relationship with the student or supervisee that is safe, then sometimes in supervision I may feel like being open about, “Okay. We need to work through this so that you can better work with clients,” then, “Here’s where we’re going to work, and here’s where we’re going to stop.” Does that make sense? It’s almost like an instinctual knowing of when I’m going too far, when we’re getting too deep. And I can feel that with students. I may see them becoming uncomfortable. So, I want it to be a wisdom-based engine, and I don’t want that engine to spoil over into fear, because then they’ll push away.
LR: In this context, many counselor educators are also practicing clinicians, and I wonder if that is beneficial or detrimental.
JA: I have a small private practice here in Temple, and I don’t know how I would be able to do this job without seeing a client or two a week. And it’s mainly because sometimes when I haven’t worked with clients and I’m in front of the class with the alphabet behind my name, I feel like I am The Guy. And then I go into a session, and I’m humbled and reminded, “Oh, yeah. I don’t know what the hell I’m doing,” or, “This session got away from me.”

I feel like it becomes hard to manage whenever my practice hinders my health, when I’m scheduling, managing things when it’s overwhelming, when I’m burnt out, and my students become a secondary priority. That’s when I know, okay, something’s going on. But, yeah, I work with individuals, couples, families. And I usually have about four or five clients that I’m seeing in a semester.

Lifespan Issues

LR: How, as a parent to young children and also in a sense a parent to young, evolving clinicians, do you teach them about the uncertainty and our limited ability to influence others?
JA: I think you put them in situations intentionally where it’s grey and uncertain and watch them go through it. What we try to do is have a healthy balance between safety and ambiguity. We want clinical trainees to feel safe enough to be able to feel okay floating in the wilderness somewhere. We know where they’re at. They may not know where they’re at, but we want them to feel safe to be lost a little bit.

we want clinical trainees to feel safe enough to be able to feel okay floating in the wilderness somewhere
And so, I think that’s how you train them. It’s like you intentionally scaffold and build into your program situations, places, activities where students can get a healthy dose of “I’m just going to go with it, and I’m okay because I know I have a healthy attachment to my faculty.” It’s the same thing as a new parent. It’s like I know my relationship is strong when my son can play independently and then come back and check in and then play independently and then come back and check in.

It’s like he knows that he can wander and it’s safe to come back. Same thing with students, right? We want them to go off and explore a theory, a technique or try this out or bring this into session or bring this into practice and then come back and say, “I don’t know what I did.” You know what I mean? So yeah, building that in intentionally.
LR: You’re in a unique position, Jude, because you’re learning what it means to be a parent while you are shepherding counseling students into their professional identities. It makes me wonder—what are some of the challenges that clinical educators have who are later on in their life, who are no longer dealing with raising young children but perhaps launching teenagers, or have children who are getting married, or are dealing with their own mortality? How do counselor educators separate or merge the challenges in their own personal lives with what it is their students need in theirs?
JA: I feel like the challenges that the more-experienced clinician or the counselor educator may have are the same issues that the students may have who come in as they begin a second career. It’s arrogance, you know? It’s that idea that you know everything. You don’t see yourself as a student anymore. And I think that is the downfall of a good counselor educator, is when they feel like they know all there is to know.

I think the way that they can combat that is integrating the experiences that they have but not relying solely on those experiences. I think that’s the difference—if you’re integrating them, you say, “Gosh. I remember what it was like when my kid was two or when my kid was four. I remember when my kid was 13.” That’s the emotional age of some of these students. What did I do when my kid was 13, and what did I want to do that I didn’t do that I wish I could’ve done and I can do now with this student? I feel like those are the ways that you can kind of integrate those experiences into raising students.
LR: So, it goes back to sort of a thread that’s woven its way through this interview, which is that we as counselor educators/clinicians have to continue to evolve, to look inside. We have to impose that challenge on our counseling students. We can expect no less from our counseling students than we can for ourselves.
JA:
we as counselor educators/clinicians have to continue to evolve, to look inside
And we’ve got to have the courage to let them into our journey with that. You know, we’ve got to have the courage to say, “This is life. I’m tired. I’m exhausted.” We don’t have to put on that front. Because then students will do that, and then the clients will do that, and there’d be that butterfly effect where nobody’s really being themselves.
LR: Do clinical educators get the students they need?
JA: It’s that butterfly effect, right? It’s like this parallel process where my relationship to my supervisee will impact my supervisee’s relationship to their client, which will then impact that client’s relationship to their environment. And so, a lot of the times when I’m in supervision and we’re having that come-to-Jesus moment like, “Why do you have this client,” I also have to ask myself, “Why do I need this supervisee to have that client?”

And then I may start thinking, “What do I need to do in my life in order to be able to better support this student so that they can better support this client?” That becomes the question, right? But then the beauty of supervision is that you can outwardly process that with a student so that they can learn how to do that for themselves with a client. You can say, “Gosh, man. When you’re working with this client, this is what it brings up for me. This is my hang-up, and this is where I struggle to support you. Where in your life do you feel like this client is kind of poking?" This processing and processing is a beautiful thing when it’s done right. In a lot of ways, it can feel like inception. Sometimes you’re in supervision like trying to spin a top asking, “Are we in reality, or is this a dream?”

True Cultural Awareness

LR: This next question could probably stand as its own interview, but I can’t help but ask. What are the challenges that counselor educators face in really effectively teaching these students what cultural awareness means?
JA: The first thing that comes to my mind is that we’ve got to be mindful of our fragility as counselor educators and be willing to address things that make us uncomfortable talking about, things that make us squeamish. I feel like we’ve got to be aware of that. We’ve got to be aware of our political stances and how that influences our work and how it influences our teaching. We’ve got to be aware of our perspective, our biases, our thoughts, our perceptions of individuals who don’t look like us, don’t like the same people we like, don’t pray like we pray.

we’ve got to be mindful of our fragility as counselor educators
I think the key to fostering culturally humble students and clinicians is for us as counselor educators to be humble, to be mindful of our fragility, and be courageous enough to have those conversations in class. Each diversity class that I teach feels like Thanksgiving, because a lot of people’s families are uncomfortable around that Thanksgiving table. That’s what diversity class feels like.

I feel like what we have to do is to foster this atmosphere of openness around these discussions and safety in the classrooms. What we don’t want is for students to feel the tension or the discomfort, and that hinders their ability to go there. We need them to go there. And so, we have to be aware. We have to be humble. We have to be courageous. I think those three qualities can really help develop culturally-competent students.
LR: We recently released a three-video series, Counseling African American Men, featuring Darrick Tovar-Murray from DePaul University. In the conversations between Darrick and Victor Yalom, Psychotherapy.net’s founder, the idea came up that counselors need to learn to be comfortable with discomfort, which sounds like exactly what you’re talking about.
JA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We’ve got it steeped in our program. We’ve got it steeped in security and safety with a little bit of ambiguity and discomfort. It has to be equal measures. We have to steep the students in there for two years and two semesters, you know?
LR: I’ve heard of the notion of “White Fragility.” What did you mean by fragility?
JA: You know, like those developmental stages. Like whether or not you’re in the early stages of identity development. Then you’re experiencing a lot of anger, right? Because that’s fragility too, right? We talk about this in diversity class. Sometimes, as a man of color, as an African American male, I have anger toward White men, White people, especially when I feel unsafe.

sometimes we can give off the impression as counselor educators that if you are a White counselor, then you can’t do culturally sensitive work
And so, when clients come in, sometimes that anger leeches into the therapeutic relationship. And I think that’s what I mean by fragility. It’s not that you can’t be angry. It’s that you have to be mindful of “How is this going to impact my therapeutic relationship, my work, my relationship with my peers, my relationship with my supervisor? What do I need to do to work through that?
LR: When I started at the university 32 years ago, the student body was White, and I have learned to be more aware of the privilege that comes with whiteness. And I have been put in very uncomfortable situations with my students. So, this idea of a counselor educator being comfortable with discomfort and modeling it is very important.
JA: Absolutely! And a lot of that has to do with just acknowledging when “This is uncomfortable.” Like, look around the room. What have we done as a program, as an organization? What have you done individually as a student to perpetuate this sameness? Let’s have that discussion. Because I think sometimes we can give off the impression as counselor educators that if you are a White counselor, then you can’t do culturally sensitive work.

I feel like that impression is dangerous, especially for White students. There’s so much opportunity for corrective emotional experiences for clients. If we train White counselor educators well, they can go out into their communities into the field and build strong relationships and repair relationships with clients. I mean, speaking for myself as a supervisor, it meant a lot to me to work with a supervisor, like when I was a student, who was White but who came into the relationship humble, aware, willing to acknowledge things. It was kind of like, oh, okay. Okay, we can do this. And it was even more impactful sometimes when that happened.
LR: Yeah. Do you think there’s an implicit expectation that, because you are a Black man, that you have a deeper sensitivity to cultural oppression and unfairness?
JA: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s the work we don’t get paid for. That’s fine with me, you know? That’s the stuff that they don’t add to the tenure packet. They don’t have a box for that on your year-end evaluation. It’s how many times you’re stopped in the hall and, “Hey. I’m trying to do this diversity thing.” It’s like, I’m going to Google it just as you, just as much as you.

sometimes it’s just hard. It’s like, “Man, I don’t have the bandwidth to do this when I also have to do other things”
You know, it’s that extra work that you do to support a community, the calls you get, the students that you’re supporting, the organizations you’re connected with. Sometimes you do have a deeper understanding of these diversity issues, because you have to. But sometimes it’s just hard. It’s like, “Man, I don’t have the bandwidth to do this when I also have to do other things.”

I feel like what I love the most about my faculty is that we all take equal responsibility in having those conversations. So, it doesn’t just feel like it relies on one person. But I’m blessed. My program is diverse. We have two White men, and the rest of the faculty are people of color, women of color.
We very much match our student population demographics. But, yeah, that’s the stuff you don’t get paid for. And that expectation gets you voluntold to be on committees. And I’m just like, “Gosh, man. I’m struggling too, you know?”
LR: I think we’ll stop there Jude. I want to thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and experiences from the trenches of graduate school.
JA: I hope this was meaningful for students or for whoever’s reading it.

Less Treatment, More Therapy

"Yo, call me back ASAP!,” read the text message from Carl, a 20-year-old man who has self-identified as a gang member for the past seven years and who has struggled with anxiety and depressive symptoms, alongside antisocial personality traits.

I had an impulse to explain boundaries to Carl but decided against it. I knew that a dispassionate instructional ACA-type lecture would be distancing—especially via text.

Carl has been in counseling with me for three years as a requirement of his probation. He is a member of a local gang who has mentioned how his affiliation got him into trouble while growing up. He also shared his initial fear of telling me he was in a gang because of how I might “react” to him. I maintained a neutral position.

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Gangs were part of the social fabric of Carl’s youth—I, too, was gang affiliated. Thus, I was personally familiar with that life, but I believe that it was because I have historically been the only Black male therapist in most of the psychiatric settings in which I worked that I was often given complex and challenging cases. This often meant working with male gang members and other males who had been charged with sex offenses (perhaps a story for another time).

I returned Carl's call because I was concerned that he had done something inappropriate with which I could help him. I was also mindful of my own insecurity. I felt as though little progress had been made in our work. Carl was also inconsistent with taking medication prescribed by his psychiatrist and in attending sessions with me. Yet he constantly told me how much he “appreciated” working with me. I viewed his text as a plea that might allow me to do something meaningful with him. I hadn’t gotten his message quite yet.

Carl answered the phone on the first ring. “I am sorry about the capital letters in my text, I don't want you to worry about me. Do you have time to talk?”

He went on to say, “I need some therapy right now.” Carl mentioned that after a domestic dispute with his girlfriend, she had been considering leaving him. “I don't know why I'm so angry” and “I wish I could get over this anger,” Carl cried.

This was refreshing and far different from Carl's usual sessions, which he tended to begin with a detached, “I'm doing good. I am safe and in good health.” Eventually, I came to realize that after being in both penal and psychiatric institutions, he was used to giving knee-jerk responses to risk assessment questionnaires. After his pleasantries, there was always a laborious discussion of his video game adventures. Today was different, although I did not understand how at that exact point.

Instead, I felt anxious in that moment. This may have been my own internal reaction to Carl's sense of anxiety. However, I also felt a strong inclination to capitalize on Carl's plea for help and felt as if I needed to come up with a clever “intervention.” I had to strike while the iron was hot. Should I use CBT? I could re-emphasize the cognitive model to Carl and how his distorted thinking contributed to his ongoing patterns of anger. No. Carl had already admonished me in the past for using “big words,” referring to clinical jargon.

Maybe, EMDR?! Could some eye movements mollify his intensity? While I am trained in both interventions—and believe they have some merit—I thought it might be better to just shut up and let Carl talk.

After a while of silent sobbing, Carl exclaimed, “I think I know what this is.” He paused.

“I used to be soft” in grade school, he went on, and after years of bullying he stood up for himself. “That's when I learned that I could fight,” said Carl, his voice cracking as he held back more tears. Carl mentioned that after a while, he learned to become the aggressor as a preemptive way of sending a message that he was a formidable opponent.

I felt stuck. Was now the time for an intervention? I fought against the impulse. Instead, I simply asked, “How do you feel now?” Carl shared that he had felt a little better and that he was glad that he could “get this off my chest.” Ironically enough, almost immediately after this revelation, the call dropped. The call dropping likely saved me from myself. I had an urge to say, “I just want you to know that you're not that little boy anymore.” I probably heard this line somewhere from a supervisor in the past. I do not actually believe it. Carl knows full well that he is not the little child who was bullied, although he might still feel like it.

I wish I could say that Carl no longer expresses anger in an unhealthy manner. I believe that it will take more than one 45-minute session for that. However, I do trust that the session was meaningful to him (and in retrospect, to me as well). He appreciated that I listened to him. I appreciated that the session felt like real therapy. It involved all of the ingredients that make therapy special: attunement, minimal encouragers, brief re-statements, warmth, empathy, compassion, the list goes on.

While still a relatively new clinician, I find myself frustrated and impatient with the mental health industry. In my brief time practicing, I have noticed that I am encouraged to quickly create and implement rigid and concrete treatment plans with goals and objectives that might say things like “decrease frequency of anger by 30% by such and such date.” I am not saying we should abandon these measures. They have a place. However, it creates a false sense of urgency to “do” something in sessions in lieu of “being” myself.

I have been in my own therapy for a few years. A secret that I have not shared is that I would cringe if my own therapist held rigidly to one treatment modality. I appreciate that she is flexible and willing to meet me where I am. However, the issues I often bring to counseling pertain to deeper questions I have about the contradictory elements of life. I do not know if the cognitive model can get me through that.

It is seductive and somewhat satisfying to have a ready list of tools and interventions that I can provide to clients. It makes me feel smart and prepared. It is not as sexy to promote the tried-and-true skills that have been empirically validated. As a disclaimer, I am not saying I reject these treatment modalities. If that were the case, I would not have spent 80+ hours learning them after graduate school—I think. I am simply saying that I should not disregard the elements of psychotherapy that have, time after time, proven themselves effective in my work with clients.

I founded a clinical think tank centered on helping gang-affiliated adolescents. It began in New York and expanded to Denver. Over the four-year course of mobilizing clinicians to research evidence-based interventions to help this population (there are none), what keeps coming up are the same principles that work with Carl.

I am reminded of how fascinating it is when I ask clients what they find helpful about working with me. I almost never hear anything about a specific intervention. What I do hear is that I am “kind,” I am “engaging,” I “relate well” with them, I am there for them during difficult times, I am “real,” and other similar sentiments.

As I look back at my three years with Carl, I can see that I have been unfairly critical of myself. I had viewed our relationship as ineffectual up to that moment I discussed at the outset of this essay. I focused on select symptoms (i.e., anger) and his inconsistency in coming to sessions (I told myself that if I were a better therapist, he would not miss sessions and he would be less angry). However, I mistakenly dismissed the fact that he often expressed his appreciation for me and had adamantly refused to work with anyone else in the past. I also ignored the fact that someone who defines themselves as “solid as concrete” is capable of being vulnerable with me.

Carl appreciates me because I strive to connect with him. For the past three years, he has known he has at least one person who doesn't view him as just a gang member or someone who is antisocial. He can look forward to my showing a genuine interest in him as a person as opposed to probing for tendencies that may deviate from the norms of society.
It is my hope that fellow therapists seek to be human with their clients prior to employing so-called standardized interventions in a reactive, knee-jerk fashion. Perhaps more of a focus on therapy and less on treatment protocols will allow for the true healing power that comes with the relationship, which I thoroughly believe is the element that heals.

Help-Seeking-Rejecting Clients and The Therapist

I realized the other day that over the course of my lifetime, I have probably joined and cancelled gym memberships about 25 times. I always enter these contracts with a bright sense of optimism and hope—“This is my year!” I usually proclaim proudly. I may even go a few times before my motivation starts to dwindle. My pattern then dictates that I consult with a personal trainer. The personal trainer is always very optimistic and willing to help. However, after I beg the trainer to push me in the workouts and give me at-home routines, it usually takes about a week or two before I am back in the manager’s office asking to cancel my membership. It is never that I do not want the help, but rather that binging television shows and napping on the couch will always feel better in the short term than sweating through my pants while trying to pretend that I am not as winded as I look.

I relate this experience to my work with the patient who ostensibly seeks but ultimately rejects help. I often find myself frustrated and overwhelmed by that person who comes in asking for help but does not seem to be interested in the coping skills and practices I offer to support them in their improvement. In a sense they seem stuck, and, in turn, I feel stuck right along with them.

I have worked with patients before who continue to stay in their romantic partnerships despite their feelings of unhappiness and desire to date other people. I can remember one patient in particular who had been in a romantic partnership for over two years despite describing herself as unhappy. She noted that each time she engaged in sexual intercourse with her partner, her vulva burned and spasmed. She noted that when she engaged in extramarital affairs with other men, such a reaction did not occur. Despite trying different positions, lubricants, and doctors, the problem persisted. It was discussed that the relationship was making her so unhappy that her body was physically rejecting her partner. Sessions focused on processing the meaning of this relationship and noting why it was so hard for her to leave this person. They also focused on exploring feelings related to the breakup process and using effective communication strategies to foster mutual respect. However, as time continued and the extramarital affairs increased, it was clear that this was not the right time for the patient to end the relationship. At one point I became so frustrated that I myself wanted to grab her phone and send a break up text! The more I have reflected and thought about my reactions, the more I realize that they have more to do with my own ego than with the patients and their progress, or lack thereof.

Each time I encounter a help-seeking-rejecting patient, I want to hear that they have used the coping skills offered that week, and their lives have changed for the better because of those actions. I want this outcome not only because I want them to live happier and more authentic lives, but also because it would mean I have been successful in some way. It would mean that something I did or suggested mattered and helped change an outcome. Clearly, it is difficult not to personalize my patients’ wins and struggles as my own. As if I really had some power to control what happens! It is ironic because it is also me who frequently recites the common therapist phrase “You cannot control others; you can only control yourself and your reactions/perceptions.”

And so I realize it is my job as a therapist to meet patients where they are, letting them know that sometimes it is okay not to be able to or want to change right now. Just as it is okay for me to cancel a gym membership I am not using, sometimes it is okay to be stuck. That is not to say that this patient cannot and will not change in the future (I will keep joining gyms, and one day it may work for me!), but more to accept that patients are not always in a place in their lives where they can (or want to) change. Sometimes clients, like therapists—me included—must accept they are doing the best they can in the moment with the tools and circumstances they have.

I think it is great when patients improve in some measurable, objective, and defined way. However, I do not think therapy is an exact science, and I have come to learn (and accept) that clients will experience lapses, relapses, and periods of stagnation. In doing so, I am better positioned to help them find a sense of peace in a world that tries to shape and change them beyond what they can do.