What Do We Believe and Whom Do We Trust?

Caitlin had been referred by her physician because he could find no organic cause for her symptoms. She had complained of a variety of medical problems that led to being run through a gauntlet of tests, scans, and diagnostic procedures, all negative. Yet her problems, regardless of their origin, seemed to worsen over time. Caitlin was hardly the most expressive or verbal client I'd seen.

Although in her mid-twenties, she reminded me of some adolescents who would rarely speak; in her case she was virtually mute.

"What can I help you with?" I asked to begin our first session. Shrug.

"You're not sure?" Another shrug.

Was she playing a game with me? Was I being tested? Did she have laryngitis or a mental handicap? I could not be sure.

After five long minutes of silence in which she stared at the floor, seemingly fascinated by the weave of the carpet, I had finally had enough. "Look Caitlin, I'm not sure what you expect of me or why you're here. The only thing that I know is that your doctor sent you to me because he couldn't help you. I understand you are having a lot of problems, and, apparently, he thinks it might be helpful for you to talk about them. But I can't help you unless you tell me what's going on."

Incredibly, Caitlin shrugged again but this time offered a wry smile.

Now I was determined to wait her out. There was something going on here that I did not understand, but I sensed that pushing her further was not going to work. I just wanted to get through the hour and send her on her way. Obviously, she was not ready for therapy.

We sat silently for the rest of the session, Caitlin alternately staring at the floor and some undetermined spot over my left shoulder. I checked a few times, just to see what was so interesting, but it was one of the few blank spots on the wall. Maybe she was projecting her own images. At this point I did not know or care; I was already thinking about my next client and what I could do to make up for this disaster.

Imagine my surprise when the session finally ended and Caitlin said to me, "Same time next week?"

I was taken by such surprise that all I could do was nod my head. Now I was the one who was rendered mute.

The second session repeated the pattern of the first: Caitlin took her seat but would not speak. She just sat there, apparently comfortable and unconcerned with the silence. Even though I was prepared for this eventuality, and had rehearsed several things I might do to draw her out, each overture was met with a shrug or ignored altogether. By the time the second session ended, I was resolved that I'd had enough: no more "same time next week."

I was just about to call for an end to this charade, pretending to be therapy, when Caitlin abruptly stood up, handed me an envelope, and exited, stage left. I was dumbfounded, frozen in place, holding this offering in my hand, unsure what to do next. I told myself that I should just put it aside for now—it could not be good news—but my curiosity got the better of me. I ripped open the envelope to find a five-page single-spaced letter in which Caitlin had outlined the sorry state of her life. It included all the things that a client would normally reveal in the first few sessions, talking about her early history, her family situation, her living arrangements, employment, and cogently reviewing all her various physical symptoms. She ended the self-report by stating that she hoped I understood how difficult it was for her to talk about these things and asked if I could be patient with her. She said she would return the following week if I'd still be willing to see her.

What could I say to that? I just shook my head, eager to resume this "conversation" during our next meeting. Oh, did I mention that I assumed that the structure of our communication might change? No such luck. It was more of the same: continual and unremitting silence. In response to everything I brought up from her letter, Caitlin would smile or shrug or sometimes frown and shake her head. I was so desperate, that seemed like progress: at least now I could get a tentative yes or no in response to a question.

"Caitlin," I tried again, "you wrote in your letter that you live with your brother. How's that working out?" Shrug.

"Just okay? You mentioned in your letter that you were close." She nodded her head.

And so it went, another frustrating, laborious, tedious (did I mention frustrating?) hour.

Fast forward five months. I have now seen Caitlin every week at our appointed weekly time. We are talking now. Or at least I am mostly talking and she occasionally rewards me with an actual verbal yes or no response, and sometimes she even utters a whole sentence. But basically she does not say much—until she hands me a letter at the end of the session that basically answers every question I asked the previous session and even a few things I wondered about but had not yet broached. I have certainly never done therapy quite like this, and it sure is hard work, but I tell myself that she is coming back, so she must be getting something out of the experience.

Another few months go by and I eventually learn a lot about Caitlin's life and her predicament. Her physician has been increasingly concerned because of abrasions in her vagina and burns on her breasts, wounds that appeared to be self-inflicted. When I asked her about this, Caitlin immediately clammed up and would not talk about them at all, even in a follow-up letter. The doctor called a week later to tell me that he "fired" Caitlin as a patient, refusing to see her any longer. I assumed this was because she was playing the same kind of silent treatment games with him that she was acting out with me, but I was wrong. Apparently, Caitlin had been left alone in an examining room when a nurse unexpectedly entered and found her holding the thermometer that had been placed in her mouth underneath the flame of a lighter to artificially raise the temperature and fake a fever. All of a sudden things started to fall in place, and the doctor realized that he was dealing with a case of Munchausen syndrome in which Caitlin had been manufacturing various disorders and diseases all along as an excuse for attention. This was clearly a case for psychological treatment, way out of his domain—and firmly back into mine.

But this called into question everything that she had thus far told me in her letters. How much of this was really true? How much could I trust anything that she had related to me? If she had been willing to fake her various ailments, and lie about her symptoms, what was to say that anything about her history was true? How could I work with a client who was now identified as a chronic liar?

I'm hardly the first therapist to work with someone with Munchausen syndrome, or a factitious disorder, or a sociopath, or any other client who knowingly lies, but once these fabrications and deceit are uncovered, what are we to do with them?

After so many months invested in our relationship, I initially felt betrayed, just as I had with Jacob. But in Caitlin's case, I quickly realized this was one very vulnerable, terrified, disturbed young woman who was doing the best she could to hold things together. If she was willing to go to such extremes for attention and self-protection, what did that say about anything she would tell me in therapy? And how and when is it appropriate and safe enough to confront this issue directly?

I decided that I really did need to confront the issue of truth with Caitlin, not for my own satisfaction, but to make it possible for us to have a truly trusting relationship, maybe the first one in her life. I had by this point learned that there were all sorts of weird things going on in her family, lots of secrets and lies that had been kept hidden.

It was during the middle of one of our silent conversations that I took a deep breath and told Caitlin that I had a few things that I wanted to bring to her attention. One of the advantages of having a client who does not talk is that it is very easy to carve out time to say whatever I want and expect a fairly compliant audience. She cocked her head and actually made eye contact, signaling that she realized that something important was coming.

I told her everything that I had recently learned, that she had been making up her various ailments and faking the symptoms in order to visit the doctor, perhaps for attention and sympathy, or perhaps for other reasons that she might reveal. I presented specific, irrefutable behavioral evidence, complete with witnesses, so there would be no sense denying the "charges." Furthermore, I shared with her my concerns that all along she had been playing games with me, just as she had with the doctors giving me the silent treatment and refusing to talk (except in carefully constructed letters). She seemed to be taking this with relative calmness, so I went further and talked about how this made it difficult for me to trust her. I told her how much I cared about her, how much I wanted to know her better, how important it was for me to help her if she would let me, and how I was bringing all this up because it felt like we could never go much further unless we were more honest with one another. Maybe this is coming across as harsh, but I tried to be as gentle and loving as I could while bringing the deceit into the open. And I insisted on thinking about this as an issue of honesty in our relationship rather than as a pathological condition named after an obscure German baron.

Caitlin looked at me thoughtfully after I finished what I had to say. I fully expected complete silence and so was surprised—and delighted—that after close to nine months we had our first real face-to-face conversation. It was as if a door had been opened and she had decided to walk through and meet me, if not halfway, then a few tentative footsteps in my vicinity. For the rest of that session, and the few that followed, she told me about the sexual abuse she had experienced since she had been a child by her brother, the same brother who was still living with her, and still sneaking into her room at night. She admitted that she had been hurting herself, sticking objects in her vagina and burning her breasts with lit cigarettes, in order to discourage her brother from continuing to have sex with her. She talked about all the guilt she had been feeling and how she understood the meaning of the self-punishment. She even understood that her silence in her relationship with me was a way for her to maintain control, to take care of herself while in the room with a strange man who might hurt her the way she had been betrayed before.

Yes, I know what you are thinking: Was this true?

This time I can say, unequivocally and without reservation, yes, I am convinced that Caitlin did eventually trust me to risk revealing herself in a more honest and authentic way. How do I know that? Well, for one thing her symptoms disappeared. She moved out of the apartment where she had been living with her brother. She became functional in a whole host of other ways related to her work and other relationships. She confronted her brother, finally, and told him to never, ever come near her again or she would call the police. (I was able to get corroboration that this, in fact, did take place, and I was prepared to testify on her behalf.)

Yet would I be surprised if I ever learned that I had been scammed, that she made the whole story up, that she was still playing me—but simply changed tactics once I caught on to the previous game? Yes I would. I will never know of course. Most of the time we can never really know what is true and what is not. We have to live with this uncertainty and give people the benefit of the doubt. To do otherwise, we could never do this work or function at all.

Maybe you are not very surprised that there would not be much neat closure to our topic. You already knew there is no certainty in what we do, given the complexities and ambiguities or the territory in which we operate.

Clients Who Lie and Deceive

It is the client's job description in therapy to tell us what is going on as fully, completely, and honestly as possible, providing the most detailed and robust descriptions of complaints, life history, contextual features, and innermost thoughts and feelings. The reality of what we actually get from clients is less than ideal for a number of reasons. There are unconscious distortions and imperfect memories. Defense mechanisms operate to protect the client against pain, discomfort, and perceived attacks. Character traits may compromise trust and intimacy.

In a blog (psychcentral.com), psychologist John Grohol (2008a) asked people why they would ever lie to therapists. This was a question that he could never really understand. "If you lie to your therapist," he pointed out, "especially about something important in your life or directly related to your problems, then you're wasting your time and your therapist's time." He cites lies of omission as an example, such as a client saying he is depressed and uncertain why, yet failing to mention that his mother recently died. Or another example in which someone complains about low self-esteem but neglects to say that she binges and purges after every meal.

When Grohol first wrote his essay, musing about the ridiculousness of lying to the person who is paid to help you, he was completely unprepared for the barrage of clients who would respond on his blog. Here are a few representative reasons posted why people lie to their therapists:

I don't yet trust my therapist, partly because I'm not confident that this therapist has the skills or experience to handle my problems in the first place. (Adrivahni, January 9, 2008)

i lie to my therapist about what i'm feeling towards her. i'm embarrassed about these feelings, and when i do try to share them, they come out wrong. those are that i feel too dependent, that I want more than what she can give me, and that i find these feelings to be a sort of weakness in me. (Cameron, January 9, 2008)

We all lie to our shrinks, just like we lie to our dentists (Sure, I'll floss twice a day) and our mechanics (It's not so much a click as a drum roll). But the point of repeat visits to our shrinks is to allow for the time necessary to figure out what's a lie, what's a misconception, and what the truth (for that day) is. (Gabriel, January 10, 2008)

Dozens of other confessions led Grohol (2008b) to write a follow-up essay about common reasons to lie to your therapist. Contributions from him and from other sources (DeAngeles, 2008; Gediman & Leiberman, 1996; Kelly, 1998) identified several of the most common reasons for deception in therapy sessions.

Some Reasons Why Clients Lie

We have seen how lying is a natural and normal part of daily life, a practice that first begins about age 3 or 4 when we first learn we have choices about what we tell others, each presenting different consequences. Biologist Lewis Thomas once observed that if people stopped lying, the world would end, politicians would be arrested, media would be cancelled, and people would stop talking to one another. Lies, or at least half-truths and other fractions of complete honesty, allow trust to build. In therapy, deception is just another in a series of defenses that clients use to remain in control and to protect themselves.

Many, if not most, clients keep certain things from their therapists in order to present themselves in the best possible light. Whereas previously it was believed that lying or deceiving a therapist would only sabotage the treatment, it would appear as if clients may actually benefit by keeping some things private (Kelly, 1998). People lie to their spouses and partners, their family and friends, especially to coworkers and others in which favorable impressions are critical to continued success. It should come as no surprise that clients also lie to their therapists, a lot.

Fear of Shame and Humiliation

Let's face it: it is hard to talk about secrets, about sex, about mistakes and failures, about shortcomings, about feeling helpless to take care of one's own problems, about almost anything that people bring to sessions. It hurts.

Many clients lie to their therapists to avoid feelings of shame, embarrassment, and what they believe will be critical judgment by their therapists (DeAngelis, 2008). We may think of ourselves as neutral, accepting, and nonjudgmental, and advertise ourselves as such, but that does not mean that people actually believe us. And they aren't far wrong. The reality is that we are sometimes critical and judgmental (at least inside our heads) when clients do or say things that seem stupid, even as we keep the poker face in place, nod our heads, and pretend we do not care one way or the other.

Much of the content of therapy involves talking about things about which people feel most ashamed and embarrassed, and most reluctant to admit. It takes awhile for clients to warm up, to feel safe enough, in order to broach the subjects that are most sensitive. It is during this period in which the therapist is on probation that clients will take any steps necessary to risk greater vulnerability. When we think about it, it is absolutely ridiculous for us to anticipate anything different—that is, to actually expect a new client during the first few weeks to spill his or her guts and come clean with anything and everything that has been previously disguised or hidden. Lying during the initial (and subsequent) stages of therapy is not only normal but highly adaptive and healthy.

Disappointing the Therapist

Whether clients are afraid of disappointing their therapists, or whomever he or she represents as an authority or parental figure, there is often concern (or perception) that the naked truth will result in a loss of respect. One client explains why she lied: "For myself, one of my biggest problems has been worrying that I was letting my therapist or psychiatrist down in some way. I try to hide when I feel depressed, fearing that my mood is somehow going to wreak havoc on others. My therapist is a cognitive behaviorist and I used to fret that she'd think I hadn't been doing my homework. Also, she was so clearly concerned for my well-being that it upset me to come in when I was feeling lousy!" (MacNamarrah, 2008).

It is ironic, but all too often the case, that clients do not talk about what is really bothering them, or even cancel sessions when they need help the most. They believe that others—even someone who is paid to be helpful—cannot really handle their deepest secrets and innermost selves. In addition, therapists are required by law to report suspected (or confessed) cases of physical, emotional, or sexual abuse. We are also forced to act when there is a risk of harm to self or others. Then there are other illegal or moral transgressions that may have been committed in the past, or are still currently going on. It behooves such an individual to be less than completely forthcoming with anyone, much less a professional who is mandated to contact authorities.

Ignorance

Some clients, who are relatively unsophisticated about therapy, or about how change takes place, leave out all kinds of important stuff because they did not know it was particularly important. It wasn't exactly that they were lying as much as choosing to ignore, deny, or otherwise gloss over things that did not seem all that important—and besides, they are uncomfortable to mention.

Physicians are able to run all kinds of diagnostic tests—blood work, magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), electrocardiograms (EKGs), ultrasound, urine analysis, biopsies, X-rays—because they do not fully trust self-reports as accurate data. We are left with what clients choose to tell us based on their beliefs about what is relevant, awareness of what they know and understand, and willingness to share information selectively. It is no wonder that we are operating with imperfect, flawed, and incomplete data. Even in cases of clear success, how confident do you feel that you really understood what was going on? How certain are you that the results reported were truly accurate? If you answer, unequivocally, that you are very confident, perhaps you should consider your own degree of honesty.

Living Alternative Realities

For those with personality or factitious disorders, lying is a way of life. It has become so habituated that the person actually comes to believe the fantasies that are spun; they become an alternate reality.

When Meghan first contacted me, it was in a letter she had written after discovering one of my books at a garage sale (the first book I ever wrote that she purchased for a dollar). At the time she was a teenager and we struck up a correspondence that lasted for 20 years. Meghan struggled with depression throughout most of her life, had contemplated and attempted suicide many times, never deciding on the best method to end her life.

I'm still not sure what role I played in her life, but I always responded to her letters with support and caring, encouraging her to stay in therapy and continue to work on herself. She ended up reading many of my books over the years and, each time, would send her comments and reactions. Over the years she also told me a lot of things about herself, sent photos, brought me up to date on her family and relationships, and occasionally asked for advice. Even though she was not a client, and I never actually met her, I felt a certain responsibility to be as kind as I could; there was obviously some kind of transference going on and I wanted to be careful.

Eventually I learned that much of what Meghan had told me over the years were lies. I believe the part about her depression and suicidal thoughts, but I discovered that the photos she sent me were of someone else, the stories she told me were fictions, and that she had even sent me e-mails masquerading as other people. It was a bizarre case that I did my best to extricate myself from, although every few years Meghan will contact me again in some other disguised form.

There are other people like Meghan in the world and you have met them, perhaps worked with them. Sometimes you recognize them before you are sucked into their fantasy worlds; other times (most of the time in my experience) you do not realize the level of deception until it is far too late. One of the reasons it is so difficult to detect such mendacity is because the individuals have managed to confuse lies from truth; they cannot seem to tell the difference.

Unlike Jacob, I did have the chance to confront Meghan directly (and repeatedly) about the games she had played over the years. After each instance of discovering a lie, she would first deny it, then apologize profusely and beg for another chance. I gave up trying to negotiate a more honest form of communication with her soon after she sent me a draft of her autobiography, which she claimed would soon be released by a major New York publisher (another lie). It was titled: "I Will Tell You No Secrets and Tell You All Lies."

As with Meghan, some clients are not really lying to "us" but to individuals we represent, whether transference objects or surrogate authority figures. When all is said and done, therapists are never going to be very good at detecting client lies. It is just not part of our constitution, or our training, in which so much of what we learn to do is build trust.

Given the uncertainty and doubt we must accept and live with related to our work, the question remains: How do we work with issues of deception and lies in therapy?

This excerpt from The Assassin and the Therapist: An Exploration of Truth in Psychotherapy and in Life was reprinted with permission from the publisher. For more information and to purchase the book, visit Amazon.com.

Thomas Szasz on Freedom and Psychotherapy

The Myth of Mental Illness 101

Randall C. Wyatt: I am going to ask you a wide variety of questions, given the diversity of your interests, and I want to make sure to also focus on your work as a psychotherapist. A little background first. You’ve been well-known for the phrase, “the myth of mental illness.” In less than 1000 words, what does it mean?
Thomas Szasz: The phrase "the myth of mental illness" means that mental illness qua illness does not exist. The scientific concept of illness refers to a bodily lesion, that is, to a material — structural or functional — abnormality of the body, as a machine. This is the classic, Virchowian, pathological definition of disease and it is still the definition of disease used by pathologists and physicians as scientific healers.

The brain is an organ — like the bones, liver, kidney, and so on — and of course can be diseased. That's the domain of neurology. Since a mind is not a bodily organ, it cannot be diseased, except in a metaphorical sense — in the sense in which we also say that a joke is sick or the economy is sick. Those are metaphorical ways of saying that some behavior or condition is bad, disapproved, causing unhappiness, etc.
In other words, talking about "sick minds" is analogous to talking about "sick jokes" or "sick economies."
In other words, talking about "sick minds" is analogous to talking about "sick jokes" or "sick economies." In the case of mental illness, we are dealing with a metaphorical way of expressing the view that the speaker thinks there is something wrong about the behavior of the person to whom he attributes the "illness."

In short, just as there were no witches, only women disapproved and called "witches," so there are no mental diseases, only behaviors of which psychiatrists disapprove and call them "mental illnesses." Let's say a person has a fear of going out into the open. Psychiatrists call that "agoraphobia" and claim it is an illness. Or if a person has odd ideas or perceptions, psychiatrists say he has "delusions" or "hallucinations." Or he uses illegal drugs or commits mass murder. These are all instances of behaviors, not diseases. Nearly everything I say about psychiatry follows from that.

RW: Let’s say that modern science, with all the advances in genetics and biochemistry, finds out that there are some behavioral correlates of biological deficits or imbalances, or genetic defects. Let’s say people who have hallucinations or are delusional have some biological deficits. What does that make of your ideas?
TS: Such a development would validate my views, not invalidate them, as my critics think. Obviously, I don't deny the existence of brain diseases; on the contrary, my point is that if mental illnesses are brain diseases, we ought to call them brain diseases and treat them as brain diseases — and not call them mental illnesses and treat them as such. In the 19th century, madhouses were full of people who were "crazy"; more than half of them, as it turned out, had brain diseases — mainly neurosyphilis, or brain injuries, intoxications, or infections. Once that was understood, neurosyphilis ceased to be a mental illness and became a brain disease. The same thing happened with epilepsy.
RW: It’s interesting, because a lot of students of mine, and colleagues, who have read your work or heard of your ideas, think that when condition previously thought to be mental is to be a brain disease, as noted, your ideas become moot.
TS: That's because they are not familiar with the history of psychiatry, don't really understand what a metaphor is, and don't want to see how and why psychiatric diagnoses are attached to people. Ted Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber, was diagnosed as schizophrenic by government psychiatrists. If people want to believe that a "genetic defect" causes a person to commit such a series of brilliantly conceived crimes — but that when a person composes a great symphony, that's due to his talent and free will — so be it.

Objective, medical diagnostic tests measure chemical and physical changes in tissues; they do not evaluate or judge ideas or behaviors. Before there were sophisticated diagnostic tests, physicians had a hard time distinguishing between real epilepsy — that is to say, neurological seizures — and what we call "hysterical seizures," which is simply faking epilepsy, pretending to have a seizure. When epilepsy became understood as due to an increased excitability of some area of the brain, then it ceased to be psychopathology or mental illness, and became neuropathology or brain disease. It then becomes a part of neurology. Epilepsy still exists. Neurosyphilis, though very rare, still exists, and is not treated by psychiatrists; it is treated by specialists in infectious diseases, because it's an infection of the brain.

The discovery that all mental diseases are brain diseases would mean the disappearance of psychiatry into neurology. But that would mean that a condition would be a "mental disease" only if it could be demonstrated, by objective tests, that a person has got it, or has not got it. You can prove — objectively, not by making a "clinical diagnosis" — that X has neurosyphilis or does not have it; but you cannot prove, objectively, that X has or does not have schizophrenia or "clinical depression" or post traumatic stress disorder. Like most nouns and verbs, the word "disease" will always be used both literally and metaphorically. As long as psychiatrists are unwilling to fix the literal meaning of mental illness to an objective standard, there will remain no way of distinguishing between literal and metaphorical "mental diseases."
RW: Psychiatrists, of course, don’t want to be pushed out of the picture. They want to hold on to schizophrenia as long as they can, and now depression and gambling, and drug abuse, and so on, are proposed as biological or genetically determined. Everything is thought to have a genetic marker, perhaps even normality. What do you make of this?
TS: I hardly know what to say about this silliness. Unless a person understands the history of psychiatry and something about semantics, it's very difficult to deal with this. Diagnoses are NOT diseases. Period.
Psychiatrists have had some very famous diseases for which they have never apologized, the two most obvious ones being masturbation and homosexuality.
Psychiatrists have had some very famous diseases for which they have never apologized, the two most obvious ones being masturbation and homosexuality. People with these so-called "diseases" were tortured by psychiatrists — for hundreds of years. Children were tortured by antimasturbation treatments. Homosexuals were incarcerated and tortured by psychiatrists. Now all that is conveniently forgotten, while psychiatrists — prostitutes of the dominant ethic — invent new diseases, like the ones you mentioned. The war on drugs is the current psychiatric-judicial pogrom. And so is the war on children called "hyperactive," poisoned in schools with the illegal street drug called "speed," which, when called "Ritalin," is a miracle cure for them.

Let me mention another, closely related characteristic of psychiatry, as distinct from the rest of medicine. Only in psychiatry are there "patients" who don't want to be patients. This is crucial because my critique of psychiatry is two-pronged. One of my criticisms is conceptual: that is, that mental illness is not a real illness. The other one is political: that is, that mental illness is a piece of justificatory rhetoric, legitimizing civil commitment and the insanity defense.
Dermatologists, ophthalmologists, gynecologists, don't have any patients who don't want to be their patients. But the psychiatrists' patients are paradigmatically involuntarily.
Dermatologists, ophthalmologists, gynecologists, don't have any patients who don't want to be their patients. But the psychiatrists' patients are paradigmatically involuntarily.

Originally, all mental patients were involuntary, state hospital patients. That concept, that phenomenon, still forms the nucleus of psychiatry. And that is what is basically wrong with psychiatry. In my view, involuntary hospitalization and the insanity defense ought to be abolished, exactly as slavery was abolished, or the disfranchisement of women was abolished, or the persecution of homosexuals was abolished. Only then could we begin to examine so-called "mental illnesses" as forms of behavior, like other behaviors.

Slavery, Witchcraft, and Psychiatry

RW: In terms of involuntary hospitalization and coercive psychiatry, which you’ve critiqued in your works.
TS: Excuse me, all psychiatry is coercive, actually or potentially — because once a person walks into a psychiatrist's office, under certain conditions, that psychiatrist has the legal right and the legal duty to commit that person. The psychiatrist has the duty to prevent suicide and murder. The priest hearing confession has no such duty. The lawyer and the judge have no such duties. No other person in society has the kind of power the psychiatrist has. And that is the power of which psychiatrists must be deprived, just as white men had to be deprived of the power to enslave black men. Priests used to have involuntary clients. Now we call that forcible religious conversion and religious persecution; it used to be called "practicing the true faith" or "loving God." Now we have forcible psychiatric conversion and psychiatric persecution — and we call that "mental health" and "therapy." It would be funny if it were not so serious.
RW: The symbolic nature of psychiatry and the sociology of psychiatry are coercive. Yet, every act isn’t literally coercive. Somebody comes to a doctor and says, “I can’t sleep. I’m depressed. Can you give me something to help me go to sleep, help wake me up?” That’s a free exchange.
TS: That's correct. There are voluntary psychiatric exchanges, at least in principle. As I like to say, I wholeheartedly approve of psychiatric acts between consenting adults. But such acts are pseudo-medical in nature, because the problem at hand is not medical, and also because the transaction often rests on taking advantage of the criminalization of the free market in drugs. Why do you have to go to a doctor to get a sleeping pill or a tranquilizer? A hundred years ago you didn't have to do that, you could go to a drug store, or to Sears Roebuck, and buy all the drugs you wanted — opium, heroin, chloral hydrate. In certain ways, the psychiatric profession lives off the fact that only physicians can prescribe drugs, and the government has made most drugs that people want prescription drugs.
RW: On a side note, isn’t it interesting, and troubling, that most people who go to jail for drug abuse, or drug selling, are black and minority, and those that have the license to prescribe are often non-minority, and they get to be heroes in society for essentially selling what is sometimes the same merchandise, albeit legally, of course?
TS: Indeed. I discuss that new form of black enslavement in detail in my book, "Our Right to Drugs." Because of the kinds of laws we have, physicians prescribe mood-altering drugs, which patients often want and demand; it's a medicalized version of drug distribution. Physicians did the same thing with liquor during Prohibition, which was quite lucrative.
RW: And now psychiatry and pharmacology can be a lucrative business.
TS:
Psychiatry is a lucrative business only insofar as it partakes of these two medical-psychiatric privileges or monopolies — prescribing drugs, which only licensed physicians can do; and creating their own patients, that is, transforming people into patients against their will, which only psychiatrists can do.
Psychiatry is a lucrative business only insofar as it partakes of these two medical-psychiatric privileges or monopolies — prescribing drugs, which only licensed physicians can do; and creating their own patients, that is, transforming people into patients against their will, which only psychiatrists can do.

The Right to Use Drugs

RW: So what is your view on psychiatric medication for people suffering from “schizophrenia” or “problems in living” as you call it, or “interpersonal difficulties,” or “intra-psychic difficulties.” Whatever you call it, people suffer or are troubled internally or interpersonally. What is your view on the use of either legal or illegal drugs to help people cope with these things?
TS: I am smiling because I know you know my views! However, I wouldn't phrase the question this way. In my opinion, using drugs is a fundamental human right, similar to using books or prayer. Hence, it comes down to the question of what does a person want and how can he get what he wants? If a person wants a book, he can go to a store and get it or get it on the Internet. He ought to be able to get a drug the same way. If he doesn't know what to take, then he could go to a doctor or a pharmacist and ask them. And then he should be able to go and buy it.
RW: That brings up the issue of drug and prescription laws, which you have written about extensively.
TS: Indeed. Prescription drug laws are a footnote to drug prohibition. Prescription laws should be repealed. All drug laws should be repealed. Then, people could decide for themselves what helps them best to relieve their existential ails, assuming they want to do it with a drug: opium or marijuana or cigarettes or Haldol or Valium. After all, the only arbiter of what ails a person "mentally" and what makes him feel or function better, as he defines better, is the patient. We don't have any laboratory tests for neuroses and psychoses.

As for insomnia, typically that's a complaint, an indirect communication, to obtain sleeping pills. A person can't go to a physician and tell him: Please write me a prescription for a barbiturate. If he did that, he would be diagnosed and denounced as an addict. So he must say: "I can't sleep." How could the doctor know if that's true?
RW: You ask him how many hours he sleeps, he says two hours a night.
TS: How would the doctor know if that's true? The term "insomnia" can function as a strategic lie that the patient has to utter to get the prescription he wants.

The Therapeutic State and the Medical Model

RW: You seem to have a different view of the medical model of medicine, than the medical model of psychiatry.
TS: Yes, very much so. We don't speak of the medical model of medicine in medicine or the medical model of pneumonia. There is no other model. We don't speak of the electrical model of why a light bulb emits light. Language is very important. If a person says: "I am against the medical model of mental illness," that implies that mental illness exists and that there is some other model of it. But there is no mental illness. There is no need for any model of it.

The important issue is not the "medical model," a badly abused term; the issue is the "pediatric model," the "irresponsibility model" — treating people labeled as mentally ill as if they were little children and as if the psychiatrist was their parent. The pillars of psychiatry are medically rationalized and judicially legitimized coercions and excuses.
RW: If you were to use mental illness as a metaphor, or pseudonym… disease meaning “dis-ease,” people are personally distressed, the psychosocial model of mental illness. If you substitute “emotional troubles”.
TS: No. That won't do. Almost anything can be the cause of emotional trouble — being black or being poor or being rich, for that matter. Innumerable human conditions can create human distress. Which ones are we going to medicalize, and which ones are we not? We used to medicalize, psychiatrize, blacks running away from slavery, masturbation, homosexuality, contraception. Now we don't. Instead we medicalize what used to be called melancholia, and sloth, and self-murder, and racism, and sexism.
RW: To shift gears.
TS: Let's not yet. Because I want to add that
it is this tendency to call more and more human problems "diseases" and then try to remedy them, or "attack" them, as if they were diseases is what I call "the therapeutic state."
it is this tendency to call more and more human problems "diseases" and then try to remedy them, or "attack" them, as if they were diseases is what I call "the therapeutic state."
RW: Certainly everything used to be viewed religiously, and now so much is seen as medical. The transformation is almost pure.
TS: Exactly! And it's perfectly obvious. It requires the systematic educational and political dumbing down of people not to see it. Three hundred years ago, every human predicament was seen as a religious problem — sickness, poverty, suicide, war. Now they are all seen as medical problems — as psychiatric problems, as caused by genes and curable with "therapy." In the past, the criminal law was imbued with theology; now, it's imbued with psychiatry.
RW: President Bill Clinton is a prime example of how we use different models to describe the same problem. His wife said his problems were due to “emotional problems” in his childhood. His brother said he was a sex addict, because he was a drug addict, himself. And Bill Clinton said it was a sin issue — the religious model. He went to a minister.
TS: That's a good point. But note that Clinton didn't go to a real minister. He went to a politician — Jesse Jackson. His job was to make Clinton look good again. And he did it. Clinton hand-picked him as he did the others, much as a medieval emperor might have hand picked a bishop to make him look good.
RW: Can I shift gears now?
TS: Sure.

Liberty and the Practice of Psychotherapy

RW: You’re known as a libertarian.
TS: Yes, I am a libertarian.
RW: It’s a philosophical view, an economic and political view. What does that mean in terms of practicing psychotherapy?
TS: I'll start at the end, so to speak. If you use language carefully and are serious about libertarianism and psychiatry, then the term "libertarian psychiatrist" is, quite simply, an oxymoron. Libertarianism means that individual liberty is a more important value than mental health, however defined. Liberty is certainly more important than having psychiatrists lock you up to protect you from yourself. Psychiatry stands or falls with coercion, with civil commitment. Non-coercive psychiatry is also an oxymoron. This is one of the main reasons why I never considered myself a psychiatrist — because I always rejected psychiatric coercions.

Now, in term of political philosophy, libertarianism is what, in the 19th century, was called liberalism. Nowadays it's sometimes also called "classical liberalism." It's a political ideology that views the state as an apparatus with a monopoly on the legitimate use of force and hence a danger to individual liberty. Contrariwise, the modern "Liberal" view regards the state as a protector, a benevolent parent who provides security for its citizens as quasi-children. To me, being a libertarian means regarding people as adults, responsible for their behavior; expecting them to support themselves, instead of being supported by the government; expecting them to pay for what they want, instead of getting it from doctors or the state because they need it; it's the old Jeffersonian idea that he who governs least, governs best. The law should protect people in their rights to life, liberty, and property — from other people who want to deprive them of these goods. The law should not protect people from themselves.

This means that, as far as possible, medical care ought to be distributed, economically speaking, as a personal service in the free market. There is much wisdom in the adage, "People pay for what they value, and value what they pay for." It's dangerous to depart too far from this principle.
RW: Why does money necessarily have to come into it? If people have less money, they can’t afford as much as others who have more money. A poor person can benefit from therapy.
TS: Of course. The issue you raise confuses the quest for egalitarianism with the concepts of health or psychotherapy and also with the quest for health. Why should psychotherapy be dispensed in a more egalitarian manner than anything else? Also, people often value things other than health more highly than they value health — such as adventure, danger, excitement, smoking.

Let me elaborate on this. Economists and epidemiologist have shown, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the two variables that correlate most closely with good health are the right to property and individual liberty — the free market. The people who enjoy the best health today are people in the Western capitalist countries and in Japan; and those in the poorest health are the people who enjoyed the blessings of 80 years of paternalistic statist, Communism. In the Soviet Union, where people's political liberty and economic well being were systematically undermined by the state — where they enjoyed "equal misery for all" — life expectancy dropped from more than 70 years to about 55 years. During the same period, in advanced countries, it increased steadily and is now almost 80. And medical care has little to do with it, since Russia had access to medical science and technology. It's primarily a matter of life style — of what used to be called good habits versus bad habits. And of good public health, in the sense of having a safe physical environment.

Psychotherapy, Szasz Style

RW: You wrote, “The Ethics of Psychoanalysis” in 1965. That was your diving into psychotherapy, psychoanalysis. What do you have to say about what is useful in psychotherapy? What theories do you hold to or do you find valuable? When you’re in a free relationship of psychotherapy — simply put, one person helping another with their personal issues — what have you found to be helpful, and what theories have you used in your own work?
TS: You are asking two questions: what did I find useful or interesting and what theories did I use. The kind of therapy one does, if one does it well, in my opinion, is selected and depends primarily on the therapist.
Different people have different temperaments about how to relate to other people. Because the therapeutic relationship is an intimate, human relationship with another human being, the kind of psychotherapy that makes sense to therapists reflects the kind of person they are.
Different people have different temperaments about how to relate to other people. Because the therapeutic relationship is an intimate, human relationship with another human being, the kind of psychotherapy that makes sense to therapists reflects the kind of person they are. In this respect, psychotherapy could not be more different from physical therapies in medicine. The proper treatment of diabetes does not depend, and ought not to depend, on the doctor's personality. It's a matter of medical science. On the other hand, the proper treatment of a person in distress seeking help is a matter of values and personal styles — on the parts of both therapist and patient.

The proper analogies to psychotherapy are not medical treatment but marriage or raising children. How should a man relate to his wife, and vice versa? How do you raise your child? Different people relate differently to their wives or husbands or children. As long as their life style works for them, that's all there is to it. So, first I say that I believe that any kind of so-called "therapy" — any kind of human helping situation that makes sense to both participants and that can be entered and exited and conducted wholly consensually, voluntary, and that is devoid of force and fraud — any and all of that is, by definition, helpful. If it were not helpful, the client wouldn't come and pay for it. The fact that a client returns and pays for what he gets from a therapist is, prima facie evidence for me, that he finds it helpful.

I would compare it, once again, to religion, to going to church. Personally, I'm not religious. But I respect religions and people who find solace in their faith. Millions of persons the world over continue to go to church. They wouldn't be going to church if they didn't find it helpful, assuming they're not just going for purely social reasons, in which case they still find it useful, though not for strictly theological reasons.
RW: What was your initial interest in becoming a psychiatrist?
TS: I was never interested in becoming a psychiatrist and never considered myself a psychiatrist. Psychiatry was a category I had to operate in, given the society in which we live. I was interested in psychotherapy, in what seemed to me the core of the Freudian premise – and promise, which, unfortunately, never materialized as a professional code. Freud and Jung and Adler had a very good idea — that is, that two people, a professional and a client — get together, in a confidential relationship, and the one tries to help the other live his life better. Each of these pioneers emphasized a different aspect of how best to go about this business. There are three aspects to life: the past, the present, and the future.
Freud dwelled on the past, Jung dwelled on the future, and Adler (and Rank) dwelled on the present. All of these make sense. But all this has to be tailored to whether or not it makes sense to the patient.
Freud dwelled on the past, Jung dwelled on the future, and Adler (and Rank) dwelled on the present. All of these make sense. But all this has to be tailored to whether or not it makes sense to the patient.
RW: How does this play out in term of the therapeutic relationship?
TS: The relationship has to be wholly cooperative. The two people may meet only a few times, or they meet many times over many years. The therapist is the patient's agent. This doesn't mean that he must agree with everything the patient believes or wants; far from it. But it means that the therapist is prohibited — by his own moral code — from doing anything against the patient's interest, as the patient defines his interest. That is part of my idea of the contract with the patient. That's why I titled my book, "The Ethics of Psychoanalysis." Therapy is a matter of ethics, not technique.

It was crucial that my patients selected themselves. They came when they wanted; they came to see me, because they wanted to see me, not someone else. And there wasn't any of this business about being "ready" to end therapy. Just as the patient decided when or whether to begin therapy, so he decided when or whether to end therapy. There isn't any of this business that the therapist has to change the patient, or make him better, or control his behavior, or protect him from himself, and so forth. It is up to the patient to change himself. The therapist's job is to help him change in the direction in which the patient wants to change, provided that's acceptable to the therapist. If it's not acceptable, then it is therapist's job to discuss that with the patient and end the relationship.
RW: What are the expectations of the patient then?
TS: The patient doesn't have to do anything except pay. This sounds like a selfish joke. It is not. It is important. It's up to the patient what he or she takes away from the situation. The situation is similar to what happens in school, especially at the university level. If you go to school and have to pay for it, the idea is that you should learn something. But there is no coercion. At the end of it, if you don't learn something, that's your business. It's your loss.
RW: You mentioned that change isn’t a prerequisite, yet most people want some change.
TS: It's not that simple. People want to change and they also don't want to change. The behavior that the patient wants to change must, in some way — this is very Freudian — be also functional for the patient, or else he would already have changed it, without formal therapy. People can and do change themselves.
RW: Adaptive?
TS: Adaptive. Exactly. So-called mental symptoms are rather unlike medical symptoms. A cough, say, if you have pneumonia, is adaptive: it rids the body of mucus and infectious material and tissue debris as sputum. But it's adaptive in this or other similar pathological situation only. It's not adaptive to you as a human being. But a phobia, anxiety, depression, etc. maybe adaptive as some kind of a life strategy, economic or interpersonal strategy.
RW: Your goal for psychotherapy, that is, the fully-functioning human, is to increase their autonomy. You did have that as a goal.
TS: That was my underlying goal, which I communicated [to my clients] as the ethical principle. My premise is that responsibility is, morally speaking, anterior to liberty. So if a person wants to gain more freedom — in relation to his fears, his wife, his work, etc. — he must first assume more responsibility (than he has been) toward them; then he will gain more liberty in relation to them.
The goal is to assume more responsibility and therefore gain more liberty and more control over one's own life.
The goal is to assume more responsibility and therefore gain more liberty and more control over one's own life. The issues or questions for the patient become to what extent is he willing to recognize his evasions of responsibility, often expressed as "symptoms."
RW: That’s a dialogue.
TS: Yes, that is likely to be a focus of the therapeutic dialogue. Actually, some people say they want to do this or that — say stop smoking or be a better parent — but they don't really want to do it, don't want to forego the pleasures of smoking or experience the burdens of caring for a dependent. A person comes to see a therapist and says that he wants to kill himself. Obviously, that's not all he wants. He also wants psychotherapy. In short, people are often ambivalent about basic choices. Ambivalence is not a pathological symptom; it a normal, appropriate mental state of many people, in many situations.
RW: Come back home to therapy, again, you’re not practicing any more?
TS: No, but I did for 45 years.
RW: What was the most difficult and what was the most satisfying for you in working with people one-to-one?
TS: I found practicing therapy very satisfying and not at all arduous. I left Chicago for Syracuse mainly to escape having to fully support myself from doing therapy, which can create financial temptations to make the client dependent on therapy. Of course, everyone who does therapy is likely to say it, but I think a lot of people benefited from having a "conversation" with me.
RW: With all your work in politics and philosophy, your work on psychotherapy is overlooked. That you were in the trenches, helping people, conversing with them.
TS: And many of the people I saw would have been diagnosed as very sick by other people. Some of them would have been diagnosed as psychotic and put on psychiatric drugs.
RW: You never prescribed?
TS: No. Never when practicing psychiatry — psychotherapy —
I never prescribed a drug. I never gave insulin shock or electric shock. I never committed anyone. I never testified in court that a criminal was not responsible for his crimes. I never saw, as a patient, anyone who did not want to see me.
I never prescribed a drug. I never gave insulin shock or electric shock. I never committed anyone. I never testified in court that a criminal was not responsible for his crimes. I never saw, as a patient, anyone who did not want to see me. I went into psychiatry with my eyes wide open. I never viewed psychiatry or psychotherapy as a part of medicine. Perhaps I should add, though it should be obvious, that I had no objections to the patient taking drugs or doing anything else he wanted. As far as I was concerned, things outside the consulting room were not my business — in the sense that if the patient wanted to take drugs, he had to go to a doctor and get them, just as if he wanted a divorce, he had to go to a lawyer.
RW: With the laws today, it’s very hard for a therapist or a psychiatrist to practice psychotherapy. You can shy away from involuntary hospitalization, or other state mandates, or insurance demands, but when push comes to shove, you are pressured to break confidences or end up in trouble.
TS: That's putting it mildly. For all practical purposes, it's impossible. It is the hallmark of totalitarianism that there can be no personal secrets from the state. That's why I call our present political system a "therapeutic state." Such a state is your friend, your benefactor, your doctor. Why should you want to hide anything from it? Keep in mind that it was impossible to do psychotherapy in Soviet Russia, too, or in Nazi Germany. Suppose someone came to you in Nazi Germany and said, "I'm harboring Jews in my cellar." If you did not report that, you ran the risk of being put in a concentration camp and gassed. Today, if you don't report that the patient is suicidal, or homicidal, or a child abuser, among other mandates, you are asking for trouble. So confidential psychotherapy is kaput, finished. Therapists and patients kid themselves that it isn't.

What can you do? Nothing. We have managed to make the free practice of psychotherapy de facto illegal! The psychotherapist has been transformed into a reporting agent, an agent of the state whose job is to betray his patient. Child abuse, drug abuse, violence, suicide — the therapist must stop, must prevent, all these things. The therapist must be a policeman pretending to be therapist. Increasingly, people complain about one or another of these "problems of confidentiality," but they don't see the larger picture. They don't see that this has to do with the alliance of psychiatry and psychotherapy with the state, replicating the alliance of church and state and all its implications.
RW: Even more so, when people go to a therapist who’s working under managed care, they have to have enough problems to get in the door to see the therapist and talk, or get drugs, but not too many problems. If they have too many problems they’re seen as “chronic” and they can’t get help. Do you think a therapist working under managed care is able to freely practice psychotherapy? Is the client free to work in psychotherapy?
TS: Psychotherapy under managed care is a bad joke. It's like religion under managed care, or education under managed care. Even medical care gets complicated and contaminated if the direct relationship between doctor and patient is disrupted by the input of third parties, if the patient doesn't, in some form, pay for what he gets, and if he can't get what he wants with the money he pays.

Modern psychotherapy is based on psychoanalysis, and the psychoanalytic relationship was based on the relationship between priest and penitent in the confessional. The crux of the confessional is self-accusation on the part of the penitent, and the secure promise, by the priest, that the confession he hears will and can have no consequences for the self-accuser in this world (but only in the next). A priest hearing confession and working as a spy for the state would be a moral obscenity. Not in the darkest days of totalitarianism did such a thing occur.

The same thing is true for psychotherapy based on confidentiality and on the premise that the patient "accuses" himself in the hope that, by so doing and with the help of the therapist, he might be able to change himself.
What is truly ugly about psychotherapy today is that many patients labor under the false belief that what they say to the therapist is confidential
What is truly ugly about psychotherapy today is that many patients labor under the false belief that what they say to the therapist is confidential, and that therapists do not tell patients, up front, that if they utter certain thought and words, the therapist will report them to the appropriate authorities, they may be deprived of liberty, of their job, of their good names, and so forth.

Now, it should be clear that to place psychotherapy under the control of an insurance company or the state — that's just heaping nonsense upon nonsense. We can still call it psychotherapy, and we can treat it as if doing psychotherapy, "curing souls," were in principle no different from doing orthopedic surgery, setting a fractured bone. But, psychotherapy is like going to church. You go there voluntarily for a certain kind of service from a certain person. And it's spiritual. It's not physical.
RW: We only have a couple of minutes left. I want to ask you one or two more questions. It was a pleasure to talk about your therapy, because you get very little chance to talk about that work given the vitriol surrounding many of your views.
TS: Thank you.

Critics and Heroes

RW: You’ve had a lot of critics in your career.
TS: You can say that again!
RW: Maybe an enormous amount! In your book, Insanity, you point out all the critics.
TS: Not all of them!
RW: You couldn’t mention all of them?
TS: No. Just a few (laughter).
RW: How do you deal with this? You’re one of the most criticized psychiatrists in history, perhaps. I don’t know anybody else who’s as criticized as you are.
TS: I was very fortunate. I had very good parents, a very good brother, a very good education as a child in Budapest. I have very fine children, good friends, good health, good habits, a fair amount of intelligence. Really, I have always felt blessed. It also helped at lot that I felt there were many people who agreed with me — that what I'm simply saying is simply 2 + 2 = 4 — but that many people are afraid to say this when it is personally and politically improvident to do so. I haven't made any scientific discoveries. I'm simply saying that if you are white and don't like blacks, or vice versa, that's not a disease, it's a prejudice.
If you're in a building that you can't get out of, that's not a hospital, it's a prison.
If you're in a building that you can't get out of, that's not a hospital, it's a prison. I don't care how many people call racism an illness or involuntary mental hospitalization a treatment.
RW: Did the criticism ever get you down?
TS: Of course it did, especially when people actually wanted to injure me — personally, professionally, legally. No need to get into that. I tried to protect myself and escaped, luckily enough. I found boundless support in literature, in the great writers. Ibsen said, among other things, that "the compact majority is always wrong."
RW: My last question. In addition to being criticized a great deal, you are also somewhat of a hero to a lot of people, in what you’ve fought for, liberty, individual rights, and increased freedoms with responsibility. Who are the your heroes, since childhood and now?
TS: Where should I start, there are many? Shakespeare, Goethe, Adam Smith, Jefferson, Madison, John Stuart Mill, Mark Twain, Mencken. Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, Chekhov. Orwell, C.S. Lewis. Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek. Camus and Sartre, though personally and politically, he is rather despicable. He was a Communist sympathizer. He was willing to overlook the Gulag. But he was very insightful into the human condition. His autobiography is superb. His book on anti-Semitism is important.
RW: Camus challenged him.
TS: Yes, Camus broke with him, mainly about politics. Camus was a much better person, a much more admirable human being. He was also a terrific writer.
RW: We could go on about how each of them influenced you, I am sure of it, another day perhaps. I want to thank you for being with us today. I am sure our readers will appreciate your candor.
TS: Thank you.

Nick Cummings on the Past and Future of Psychotherapy

A Psychotherapy for the People

Victor Yalom: Well, Nick, good to have you here at the Brief Therapy Conference in San Diego, 2008. I believe you’ve long been a proponent of brief therapy and intermittent therapy throughout the lifespan.
Nick Cummings: Correct. In fact, I started that in the 1950's.
VY: Really? Tell me about that.
NC: I was trained as a psychoanalyst and went into a psychoanalytic practice in San Francisco. I did this for a number of years and decided that if I were lucky—I had an epiphany one night—that by seeing patients four times a week for seven years, in my entire lifetime, if I live long enough, I might touch 70 lives. And it occurred to me that that's not why I became a psychologist.
VY: Now, for some people, touching 70 lives deeply would seem like a good thing.
NC: Well, in those days there was no prepayment, so it was essentially treating the diseases of the rich–people who could pay. And to pay for four sessions a week, you had to have some money. It occurred to me that there was a great need out there among working people that didn't have these services available.  If they had mental health issues—in those days all you had was psychoanalysis—they didn't go into it. Minority groups—for example, African-Americans—turned to religion when they had distress, because psychotherapy wasn't available to them. We were the first program to make it available to them for free. And the idea that African-Americans didn't go into psychotherapy turned out to be a myth, because when we provided it, we had many African-Americans in the late 1950's in our program in San Francisco. So after practicing psychoanalysis for a while, and butting up against the psychoreligion of the San Francisco Psychoanalytic Institute, which was absolutely rigid in those days, I decided this was not what I wanted to do, and I was wondering what I was going to do. 

My wife said to me one day, "Kaiser Permanente is looking for a chief psychologist." So I applied, found out there were some 56, 58 people that applied, and I made the final cut of half a dozen finalists. In my interview with the founders of Kaiser Permanente, which was very young in those days—Kaiser Permanente was formed post-World War II—they said to me, "If you take this job, you've got to agree that for the first six months we can fire you with no questions asked." I found out later I got the job because the other five finalists said, "No way," and they withdrew. To me, that was like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

VY: You liked the challenge.
NC: I loved the challenge. "I'm going to take this job and I'm going to show you that I can succeed." After I started, I found out why they had made this challenge: my predecessor had been Timothy Leary. Do you remember Timothy Leary, the High Priest of LSD? He was the chief psychologist of Kaiser Permanente before me.
VY: Wow, who would’ve thought that?
NC: This was before he went to Harvard and got into LSD and so forth. But he was so interested in doing research that they couldn't get him to send one of his people over to the hospital to do a bedside consult. So one day, Sidney Garfield told me—Dr. Garfield was the founder of Kaiser Permanente—he came to work and the second thing he did was hang up his coat. The first thing he did was pick up the phone and fire Tim Leary. And then he decided that he didn't want anything more to do with psychologists. They went for a couple of years without them, but then decided they couldn't get along without them. And Dr. Garfield, interestingly, although he was a physician, didn't want the department vested in psychiatry. He wanted psychologists doing the work, because Kaiser Permanente was beginning to realize that a lot of the so-called medical conditions were really emotional problems translated into physical symptoms. And they said, “A psychiatrist is ultimately a physician”–wearing white coats in those days—“and it's just going to ingrain in the patient that this is a physical issue.” So he wanted it done by psychologists. Two years later he decided he was going to try again; I was interviewed, and I stepped into that post.

Throwing out the Couches

VY: You’ve had obviously a long, illustrious, and sometimes controversial career; we could spend hours going through all of it. So to be brief, what were a few of the things you did at Kaiser that you thought were instrumental?
NC: The first thing: in those days, you never started therapy until you did a social worker intake. Then, after the social worker intake, you did a battery of tests. Those were absolutely mandatory before therapy could start.
VY: Was this just at Kaiser?
NC: No, this was the United States! And the battery of tests were the ubiquitous Wechlser Intelligence Scale, Rorschach, Thematic Apperception Test, the Bender Gestalt, and the Machover Draw-A-Person. You had to do those five tests—it was written in the bible of psychotherapy in those days.
VY: Wow. I had no idea.
NC: Before you did the battery of tests, you had a social worker do an intake interview. By the time the therapist saw the patient, the patient had told his or her story two other times. Now this was the third time. We eliminated the first two. Everybody said, "They're going to be sued up the kazoo. This will not work." We never got sued. The first person to see the patient was the therapist.
VY: Makes sense.
NC: Which is what we do now! That was radical in 1957. It worked. So that's one of the things we did.

I had the power to hire eleven psychologists, twelve of us in all. And I had my own psychoanalytic couch, being trained as a psychoanalyst, so I ordered eleven more psychoanalytic couches, all with nice tufted black leather, just like Freud's. We started seeing plumbers, carpenters, bus drivers, restaurant servers…
VY: How many times a week? Would you see them more than once a week?
NC: We insisted in the beginning we had to see them twice a week at least. And we'd ask them to lie on the couch, but they were uncomfortable. They'd want to get up off the couch. So I had another epiphany.

I saw a working class man that had back trouble. He’d exhausted all 33 orthopedic surgeons at San Francisco Kaiser, and they all decided, "This is all in your head; go see the shrink." I asked him to lie on the couch. He said, "Sure, Doc," and he lay on the couch face down. I said, "No, no, you don't understand. I want you to lie on your back." He turned over and said, "Sure, Doc, but how are you going to examine my back if I'm lying on it?" I said, "No, no, no, I'm not going to examine your back." He said, "What are you going to do, Doc?" I said, "We're going to talk." "Oh!" He jumped up off the couch, grabbed a chair, put it opposite me, sat down, and said, "OK, Doc, what do you want to talk about?"
It suddenly hit me that everybody in the world knows that when you talk to people, you talk face-to-face–except psychoanalysts.
It suddenly hit me that everybody in the world knows that when you talk to people, you talk face-to-face–except psychoanalysts. You have to sit behind the couch so the patient can't see you.

So we decided to get rid of the couches. We called up Goodwill and when they came out to pick them up they looked at them and said, "What are these? Nobody can sleep on them: they slope. You can't sit on them because they don't have a back. We don't want them." They refused 12 couches! So I called up the Salvation Army. They came out and they said the same thing: "These are ridiculous, what are we going to do with these?" So I called up St. Vincent de Paul. And I told them we had 12 nice black leather tufted couches that we wanted to give away. I got my staff—we were on the third floor—and I said, "We're going to take these couches and we're going to carry them in the elevator and stack them up on the street on the corner. And I'm going to stand out there." When the truck pulled up at the appointed time, they said, "We don't want these." I said, "They're yours. I'm going to walk away, and if I have to call the police that you're littering the sidewalk… Because they're yours, you agreed to take them." That's how we got rid of the couches! So we started seeing patients face-to-face. I was immediately declared a traitor from psychoanalysis.
VY: So your traitor status started early in your career.
NC: Very early in my career–actually much earlier, before I became a psychologist, but anyway, that's another story.

Your Therapist for Life

So we started seeing patients face-to-face, and instead of asking them to free-associate, which working people didn't know how to do… See, up until that time, the only people we treated were the educated class who had read about psychoanalysis and were eager to try it. So when you'd say, "Free-associate," they would do it. These people didn't know how to free-associate. They knew how to talk. We started listening to them and began to develop focused, targeted therapy addressing the problem. Do you remember a man named Michael Balint?
VY: Heard the name.
NC: Michael Balint helped found mental health in the British universal health system after World War II. In his 1950 book, The Doctor, the Patient, and the Illness, he said that physicians have to become more like psychologists, and psychologists have to become more like physicians. He said that the idea that a psychologist is going to treat a patient so that for the rest of his life he will never have another neurotic symptom is insane. It's crazy. Physicians don't practice that way. You come in, you have the flu, you're treated for the flu. After the flu is cured, you're dismissed. But two or three years later, you may come in with a leg injury, with a fall, with whatever. And you're treated for that. Psychologists should treat people for the condition that brings them in.
VY: There’s no magical, comprehensive cure.
NC: That's right. So we started doing that, and the hostility was enormous. We never terminated a patient. When we got to the place where the patient said, "Gee, Doc, I'm feeling great, do I have to come in?" I'd say, "No, we're going to interrupt our treatment. Just like you go to your doctor for your physical problems, you come here if you ever have another problem that you can't solve yourself."
VY: People don’t have the idea if the doctor cures an illness or a virus, that that’s the end of their relationship with the doctor.
NC: Exactly. We extrapolated that into psychotherapy. This was absolutely heresy in those days. I was attacked, not just by psychoanalysts, but by colleagues. And it worked because the patient could come in for life. We began calling itbrief intermittent psychotherapy throughout the life cycle. "I am your doctor for the rest of your life." And the interesting thing was we found out it was transferable—that patients who might not have come in for four years would start talking as if they'd been in last week.
VY: Kind of like old friends: if you don’t see a friend for a long time, you pick up where you left off.
NC: Exactly. I might not remember the last conversation that well, but they did. And it worked. Now, they didn't know that there were other forms of treatment, but for what we were doing, it worked. And Kaiser said, "How do we know that these people are doing well?"–because calling them up and asking them "How are you feeling?" is unreliable.

Kaiser got interested in psychotherapy because they found out that 60 to 70 percent of their physician visits in primary care had psychological, not medical, conditions. So we decided to follow these people the year after they'd been in, the second year after, the third year, and see what their overutilization of health care was, because they would be running to the doctor when they actually had psychological problems. We found that we were reducing medical overutilization by 65 percent within five years after the initial contact, with no further therapy. And that's how the medical cost offset attracted the National Institute of Mental Health, the Veterans Administration, and so forth. We started a series of research.

The acceptance in medicine was terrific. The acceptance from government in Washington was terrific.
The rejection from my colleagues was intense. I was accused of destroying psychotherapy singlehandedly.
The rejection from my colleagues was intense. I was accused of destroying psychotherapy singlehandedly. And I said, "Well, it's just a pleasure to learn I'm that powerful." But nonetheless, this is what I had to put up with. I contacted Michael Balint and asked if he could come to San Francisco and spend a week with us. And I wanted him to meet with our psychologists and physicians. He asked, "Can I bring Alice?"—his wife. Victor, we got both of them for one week and we would go from morning, have dinner, and go into the evening. We got him and Alice for one week, not counting airfare and hotel, for $1000. Both of them, in the late 1950's.

He convinced us that we were going in the right direction. A lot of my staff was beginning to chafe under the attacks, but all of this bolstered our resolve and we kept going, and we'd write about it and we'd publish. All of us became consultants in Washington, D.C. over this. For example, I became a consultant to Ted Kennedy when he was head of the Senate subcommittee on healthcare. At the same time, I was in private practice.

So this is how we developed the model of brief intermittent psychotherapy throughout the life cycle. Later we changed it to focused intermittent psychotherapy because our adversaries had made such a dirty word out of "brief." We decided to call it "focused" or "solution-based" or whatever.

Strange Bedfellows at the State Capital

VY: Now, how did you get from there to starting the California School of Professional Psychology, the first independent professional school?
NC: I found out, in talking to students in the late 1960's, that the same conditions were extant with them that were there when I went through a doctoral program. Clinicians were not allowed to join the faculty. They had to have lots of publications, etc. etc.—all things clinicians don't do, because clinicians are busy seeing patients. So I started working with the education and training board of the APA to try to change the rules of APA accreditation to allow clinical faculty to be brought on board with the same status as nonclinical faculty. I utterly failed. Finally, one night in the middle of the night, I couldn't sleep and I had another epiphany. I said, "I have to start our own school." I was president of the California Psychological Association at the time; Don Schultz was our executive officer. The next morning I could hardly wait to tell Don my idea. And Don started saying, "You know, Nick, you're working a little bit too hard. I think you should maybe take a rest." I suddenly realized Don was treating me like I was having a psychotic episode or something with my idea.
VY: It seems work is what drives you and keeps you alive.
NC: It's invigorating. Especially if it's innovative.
I have to change careers every seven years because once I succeed at something, administration bores the dickens out of me.
I have to change careers every seven years because once I succeed at something, administration bores the dickens out of me. I have to go out and create again. This is why we're forming this new program.
VY: We’ll get to that in a second.
NC: So anyway, Don says, "How are you going to pull this off?" Ronald Reagan was governor of California in those days. No friend of psychology. But Reagan was having a fight with the University of California on the Board of Regents. And I knew that he might listen to this idea, not because he liked psychology, but because he wanted to do something to the Board of Regents.
VY: They say politics makes strange bedfellows.
NC: Absolutely. He had an administrative assistant named Dr. Alex Shariffs who had been Dean of Students at Berkeley, and I knew Alex. So I called Alex up and said, "Can you give me an appointment with the governor?" "Oh, what's this about?" When I told him, he said, "Hey, that sounds like a great idea!" So he arranged it. When we walked in, the governor said, "Dr. Cummings, today is very busy." They were having the eruption on the San Francisco State College campus.
VY: Yeah, late 60’s.
NC: Yeah. "You've got 20 minutes." We were there for almost two hours. Once he heard it, he kept asking questions. Finally he said, "Dr. Cummings, I'll make a promise to you. You get a first-class faculty, a first-class library, you get an endowment and a curriculum that makes sense, and I will order the head of the department of education in the state of California to accredit you."
VY: That’s a dramatic story.
NC: I thought, "How do I get a first-class library? This takes millions of dollars." I discovered in my research that any Ph.D. in the state of California had complimentary access to the Berkeley and UCLA libraries. So I got a card and all of my students got duplicates. And they all used the University of California libraries, using my card.
VY: So they were all using Nick Cummings’s card!
NC: We got it later amended that any doctoral student could use the state facilities. When we got it changed, they had their own cards as bona fide doctoral students. So we solved the library problem. We got a first-class faculty because I got 200 psychologists to volunteer to teach for free for 18 months—they would all teach one course. And they loved it. And this was sort of like our endowment. Teaching free for 18 months launched us, because we didn't have the money up front.
VY: That’s a lot of free labor.
NC: A lot of free labor, but it was very productive free labor. They loved it, and they loved interacting with our students. And we had a very innovative program.

Originally we started with the San Francisco and Los Angeles campuses. The San Francisco campus was above a machine shop.
VY: I heard about that. I heard there were pillows on the floor and all the students had to be in group therapy.
NC: Yep, absolutely. But when the big machines were running on the first floor, the whole second floor would shake and vibrate. The Los Angeles campus was in a condemned Elks Lodge, and the building was right on MacArthur Park and was due to be torn down. We got it for nothing. But the problem was, right in the middle of class there could be plaster falling off the walls. But within a year we got enough money, got our own facilities, and moved out of these. And then we founded the San Diego and finally the Fresno campuses. And this launched the professional school movement in the United States. So today, even though the APA has accredited doctoral programs, there are clinician faculty members in universities.
VY: Before we get to the new program you’re launching, what are your thoughts on the status of professional school education now?
NC: It has failed.
VY: How so?
NC: I formed the National Council of Schools of Professional Psychology—NCSPP. And I had set it up with Washington, the department of education, that it would be the accrediting body for the professional schools. Remember that our first classes at CSPP were in the 1970's; I founded it in the '69-'70 school year. We held our first meeting, and I said, "I'm doing the last thing for the professional school movement." We had to ratify the articles of incorporation, etc., etc., and elect a president. They elected Gordon Derner, who was my mentor at Adelphi. Gordon had run three times for APA president and lost, and he wanted APA respectability. He talked the group into going for APA accreditation, which was the biggest mistake–they signed their death knell at that point because the APA made them hire full-time faculty. Now, I could get ten to 12 part-time faculty to teach 12 courses for the same cost of hiring one faculty member who taught two courses. So we had created the business basis for the professional schools to succeed even though they were tuition-dependent. But once they had to get full-time faculty, they couldn't make ends meet. What they're doing now, unfortunately, is turning out hoards of master's-level practitioners and PhDs. They're accepting 900 GRE scores—it used to be if you weren't 1600, you couldn't get in. And they're flooding the market because they need the tuition. In that sense, they've failed.
VY: You’re known for making strong statements, and to say “failed” seems… There are certainly lots of good programs, and lots of good psychologists coming from these programs.
NC: And there are lots of very poor psychologists coming from these programs.  I say about them that some of the best psychologists I've ever worked with came from the professional schools, and some of the worst have come from these same professional schools. The range of ability is incredibly large.  The old saying that you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear also applies that you can't make a sow's ear out of a silk purse. The bright students do well, and they flourish in the professional schools. And then there are students that limp through.

The New Behavioral Health Providers

VY: Jumping ahead, you’re starting a new program this coming fall: the Nicholas Cummings Doctorate in Behavioral Health. What’s the idea behind this?
NC: The idea behind this is we have launched a plethora of professions out there. We not only have psychologists; we have social workers, we have MFTs, and we have MA-level counselors. All of these organizations fight each other. And when the newer organizations are looking for licensure, the older organizations fight them, just like psychiatry tried to prevent psychology from getting licensure. We tried to prevent social work from getting licensure. We now try to prevent MFTs from getting licensure, master's-level counselors from getting licensure. So we have created a very antagonistic atmosphere with a profession called psychotherapy that is fractionated into organizations that are fighting each other.

Also, we have drifted so far away from health care that we have created two silos. We have a huge silo called health care, and it gets a trillion dollars a year. And over here we have a tiny silo called mental health that gets the crumbs. In the last ten years, where we've passed parity in 44 states, the portion of the budget that goes to mental health has dropped from 8 percent to 4.5 percent—almost half.
VY: Parity hasn’t helped.
NC: Parity has done nothing, because when you pass parity, the managed care companies either create more herculean hurdles for mental health and for physical health, or they drop mental health altogether from their package. So we have declined by almost 50 percent in funding; the mental health silo's getting smaller and smaller. The American people pay for health care. They do not pay for mental health care on federal funding. That is an afterthought; it's the crumbs.
Until we become an integral part of health care, we will always, always get the crumbs.
Until we become an integral part of health care, we will always, always get the crumbs.
VY: So how are we going to do that, and how is your program going to help with that?
NC: Our program trains master's-level psychotherapists who've been in the field for several years and are savvy. They've been up against the world of hard knocks; they know what it's like out there. They know that psychotherapy has declined by 40 percent in the last decade. They are ready to upgrade and learn a new profession called behavioral health provider, to work in medical settings side by side with primary care providers, with equal status. You can't work in a medical setting unless you're called "doctor"—there is that chauvinism.
VY: So how are they going to get equal status? Even psychologists don’t get equal status.
NC: Psychologists go into medical settings and they make fools of themselves. They don't know a type-II diabetic from a type I-diabetic. They make so many errors, they don't know what medical protocol is, and they don't know how the health system works–they've been isolated in this other silo. So they're not accepted. Then they become defensive. They see that medicine is relegating us to a lower status. When we integrate behavioral care providers into primary care settings on a ratio of one BCP to six PCPs—BCP being behavioral care provider, PCP being primary care physician…
VY: One behavioral care provider to six physicians?
NC: In some systems they've loved it so much they've upped it to three—twice as many as our original model.

You always have to have at least two BCPs in every medical setting, because one is doing the treatment while the other is doing what we call the “hallway handoff.” When a physician is seeing one of the 60 to 70 percent of her or his patients that have severe psychological issues, instead of writing out a prescription and getting the heck out of the office—because they've learned that if this patient opens up and collapses and cries, they're stuck there for the next hour, and they have a waiting room full of patients—they can say, "You know, Mr. Smith, Dr. Jones, my colleague down the hall, I think can help us with your case." And the physician walks Mr. Smith only a few steps down the hall to Dr. Jones's office. And Dr. Jones is a behavioral care provider. The physician introduces the patient to Dr. Jones, and they sit down–the primary care physician doesn't dump the patient–they sit down, but only for a couple of minutes. And then he excuses himself, goes back to his office. The BCP takes over and does a 15- to 20-minute interview. They have been trained to engage the patient in treatment.

Now, Victor, the amazing thing is, we've done this with the U.S. Air Force, we've done this with several VA centers, we've done it in TRICARE [U.S. Military Health Plan], with returning veterans, and in community health centers. I named it the hallway handoff and the term has stuck. Eighty-five to 90 percent of patients who experience the hallway handoff will follow up and get into treatment, whereas when the physicians makes a referral to an outside therapist…
VY: They’ve got to first have the courage to call the person, set up an appointment, go across town.
NC: Only 10 percent get there.
VY: Wow.
NC: Literally only 10 percent. So this increases our patient flow by 900 percent! It's amazing. And it's consistent. Cherokee Health System in Tennessee has adopted this model. It's going great guns. Native Americans are really getting engaged in treatment because there's no stigma. This is a seamless part of the health system. You're not being abandoned by your physician and thrown into a mental health system where, "Oh gosh, my doctor thinks there's something wrong with my head." Even if they know this is a behavioral care provider, they see it as part of the health system, and the stigma is gone. It solves access, for crying out loud. You know, I have decided that we perpetuate stigma and access in our current practice, inadvertently.
VY: How so?
NC: Patients have a hard time getting to us. They have to call, make an appointment, go across town, leave the health system, go into a mental health system. The stigma becomes an issue, so they deny their own access because they don't want the stigma. We make it harder for the patient to get to us because psychologists do not congregate in health centers. If you look, physicians are herd animals. Every community has a medical plaza.
VY: They have a hospital and a medical office building next to it, or in the hospital.
NC: That's where podiatrists practice; that's where optometrists practice. Psychologists are across town in a solo office.
VY: Well, a lot of psychologists don’t think that they’re medical providers. We’re having conversations, as you said, with people about life—about their relationships, about their family, about their work.
NC: That's why we get the crumbs: because the American financial system pays for health care; it doesn't pay for psychosocial care.
VY: You said earlier that when professional schools joined with APA, I forgot your wording, but it was something like they made a pact with the devil. Don’t you think that, by identifying ourselves as medical providers when we’re really not, in some sense we’re making a pact with the devil, despite the financial gains of it?
NC: You just mentioned the fallacy. You said, "Wouldn't we identify ourselves with medical care?" There's no such thing now. When you talk to a nurse, they're not in medical care. They're in health care. When you talk to a podiatrist, they're not in medical care. They're in health care. Every health care profession recognizes that: "Oh, no, we're apart. We're not going to be medical care." Psychology has not caught up to the fact that, in 1985, the Supreme Court ruled that health care was subject to the same anti-trust laws as every business, and medicine lost their stranglehold on health care. You have these independent professions. And you know who figured this out first?
VY: Who?
NC: Nurses. Nurses used to be the lapdog of physicians. They'd do all the scutwork. Nursing now has established nurse practitioners. Only two percent of physicians go into primary care because that's not where the money is. The money is in specialties. Within 10 to 15 years, the primary care physicians in the United States are going to be nurse practitioners. Nurses know this. So the 26 nurse practitioner programs and nursing schools in the country this fall, 2008, upgraded their nurse practitioner program from an MA to a doctorate, because they're getting ready to be the primary care physicians. They've already done that. They own emergent care. You go to a doc in a box, it's going to be a nurse. The nurses are going full-blast, because they say, "It's not the medical system anymore! It's the health care system, and we're going to lead the way in health care."

The Hallway Handoff and other How-tos

VY: Let’s get back to your program in behavioral health. What are people going to learn in this program, and how are you going to teach it?
NC: They're going to take survey courses in the basic sciences. They're going to learn chemistry, they're going to learn physics, they're going to learn biochemistry, they're going to learn organic chemistry—not to the extent that they’re proficient in these, but they have a working acquaintance.
VY: In a year and a half they’re going to learn chemistry, physics?
NC: The mission of this program is to train skilled practitioners who are intelligent consumers of science—the opposite of what the APA does.
The APA trains scientist-professionals. So while they're trying to do both, they end up with second-rate scientists and piss-poor professionals.
The APA trains scientist-professionals. So while they're trying to do both, they end up with second-rate scientists and piss-poor professionals.
VY: Don’t mince your words, here.
NC: I'm not! I'm not. You know that.
VY: Tell me how you really feel!
NC: So for once, we say, "Let's do what all the health care professions do." We train skilled professionals that are intelligent consumers of science. That's what medicine does, that's what nursing does, that's what podiatry does, that's what optometry does, that's what dentistry does. Psychology hasn't figured this out yet.
VY: OK. So they’re going to get some survey, some general understanding, and what else? What are they going to do with this?
NC: During those 18 months, you spend two days a week in a medical setting and you rotate from outpatient to hospitals to cancer clinics, on and on. You learn the lingo of health care. Psychologists do not know the lingo of health care, and this is why they're fish out of water when they try to work in medical settings. They're going to become proficient in working like physicians work, but on the psychological side.
VY: So you’re assuming that these people–they’re master’s-level therapists, they’ve had quite a bit of experience–they have good therapy skills already.
NC: Yes.
VY: So you’re not there to teach them more therapy skills.
NC: No, we are not.
VY: So they know something about science; they learn about the medical system.
NC: Yeah.
VY: What do they need to know that they don’t know already? In other words, how do you take your existing clinical skills and modify them so that they work? Because I assume they already know a lot.
NC: They don't know how to do the hallway handoff.
VY: So what are three keys to doing the hallway handoff?
NC: They're chained to the 50-minute hour. The managed care companies always pay us on what we do in a 50-minute hour. And the more they squeeze the fee on that 50-minute hour, the more they squeeze us. So number one: abandon the 50-minute hour. It is archaic. As I say in the foreword to my latest book, the 50-minute hour is outdated in our nanosecond generation.
VY: Well, I’d say in that kind of setting I can see the disadvantage. But for ongoing depth, life-changing therapy, it works pretty well. And a lot of people do still want that.
NC: Then we're going to do what David Barlow recommends: that we should have a health care when we're part of health care. And that's called behavioral care. Then we have something called psychotherapy that continues to do what it's doing. But it's going to have to figure out how it gets paid, because under health reform, medical necessity is going to prevail, not life change. Americans are not going to pay taxes to fund a life-change system.
VY: Makes sense to me. So back to the hallway handoff: break the 50-minute hour. What else? What are the other skills?
NC: Role modeling. When you start, you sit in and watch an experienced person do the hallway handoff.
VY: Right. So what does the experienced person do, what do they know, that therapists need to learn?
NC: It's a skill that's hard to describe in words.
VY: I’ve never seen you at a loss for words, so do your best.
NC: There's no word for it; you are actually role modeling. And by role modeling, you learn to zero in very rapidly on the patient's presenting problem, which is something physicians do routinely because they have seven minutes with a patient. The average PCP visit in America is seven minutes. And in that, they've got to make a diagnosis and a treatment plan and so forth. We're not asking students to do it in seven minutes. We're giving them 15 to 20. But they learn to do it. And third, you learn what physicians need to do their job. And that's when they become so dependent on us that we achieve equal status.
VY: Well, this sounds good. It sounds like there’s a need for that.
NC: We're trying to respond proactively to where we see health reform going.

The Pits

VY: You’ve been a visionary in our field, an innovator, so let’s get you on record here. Where do you see health reform going?
NC: I see that
psychotherapy's either going to have to become part of the health system or lose out entirely.
psychotherapy's either going to have to become part of the health system or lose out entirely. Medical necessity will prevail. Marriage and family therapy, marriage counseling, occupational counseling is out. Look at the federal parity law that was passed last month.
VY: What you’re saying is it’s out of being paid for by tax dollars.
NC: Yes. MFTs are out. As David Barlow has seen, he said there are going to be these two systems: the traditional system, which we'll call psychotherapy…
VY: So that’s going to continue.
NC: That's going to continue, but they're going to have to figure out how to fund it. And it'll have to be funded out of pocket because it's not going to be part of health care. So if you want a life change, pay for it. Now, if the American people want it badly enough, they'll pay for it out of pocket, just like they do for alternative medicine.
VY: And there will still be some form of community medicine and various nonprofit counseling centers.
NC: Absolutely. But it will not be the golden age of psychotherapy that we've had in the past.
VY: When was the golden age?
NC: I'd say the 1950's.
VY: Private insurance was paying for it then?
NC: No. Private insurance came later.
VY: So we’ll be going back to the golden age, then.
NC: In the golden age of psychotherapy, there was a tremendous shortage of psychotherapists. People would wait sometimes for weeks and months for an interview.
VY: A golden age for therapists! Not for the public.
NC: Not for the public, absolutely not. I'm thinking you're asking me, "What's the fate of psychotherapists in the future?" And I'm talking about how the golden age is over. The competition is fierce. We now have 700,000 licensed psychotherapists in the United States. We only have 750,000 physicians! So we have almost as many psychotherapists as we have physicians, and they're all competing for a declining number of patients.
VY: So, in economic terms, you think we have an oversupply?
NC: Terribly. I call it a glut. A glut is more than an oversupply. I talk to students nowadays; they graduate and they can't pay their student loans.
VY: Yeah, it’s tough. But you’ve made some dire predictions before. When I started graduate school, I heard you speak, and you said something to the effect of, “Private practice is dying.” And it doesn’t seem to be, although the economics is not as attractive as it used to be.
NC: Now what year would that have been, Victor?
VY: That was about 1984.
NC: Because the book I published–I'm trying to remember the name of it–but at any rate, it predicted the decline of solo practice and why we had to succeed in doing group practices, which we didn't succeed in. Consequently, we're working at the same fee scale that we had in 1980, 1990.
VY: Exactly. So in real dollars, fees are half what they used to be.
NC: So my prediction—OK, it didn't die, but it sure is limping. It's the walking wounded.
VY: Right. Now, as I said, you’ve been a visionary and you’ve started a lot of new things, but let me be devil’s advocate for a minute.
NC: Oh, you can't do that, Victor.
VY: Sounds like you made some great changes at Kaiser, but if you look at where Kaiser’s at now, they provide very limited mental health services.
NC: Absolutely.
VY: If people are suicidal, they can get in. If not, it will take a few weeks, and they may not get back in for a month. And they’ll get a few sessions in most places.
NC: Correct.
VY: I imagine that must be somewhat disappointing for you.
NC: Terribly. But we're now in the third generation from the founders of Kaiser, and each succeeding generation becomes less like the Kaiser Permanente vision and more like the managed care routine.
VY: All right. You started the professional schools and you’ve said they’re a failure.
NC: Yes.
VY: You started American Biodyne, which was an innovative managed care organization.
NC: It was the only managed care organization where it was completely run by psychologists.
VY: Right. And that was bought out by Magellan. And what’s the status of it now?
NC: It's the pits!
VY: It’s the pits. So, you started three great things with great promise, and they’re all the pits. What makes you keep going and trying something new?
NC: I'm very proud of the fact that clinicians can be on faculties in psychology. I'm very proud of that. Maybe the professional school movement went astray, but there were some gains there. Kaiser Permanente is in its third generation; it doesn't have the vigor and vitality of the founders. I mean, Sid Garfield and Morris Collen, those people were fantastic physicians who saw that psychology was more important than psychiatry, and so forth. Naming a psychologist chief of mental health for all of Northern California was unthinkable.
VY: Thanks for balancing out your record. You’ve had some lasting successes as well.
NC: Yeah. So at any rate, there have been great disappointments because people tend to—what should I say—return to the mean.

I Hate Golf so I Can’t Retire

VY: So you told me at the beginning that you’re 85 years old.
NC: Yes.
VY: You look fantastic.
NC: Well, thank you.
VY: You still have a great deal of energy.
NC: Thank you.
VY: What keeps you going?
NC: Productive work. I love it.
I hate golf, and when you hate golf, you're not allowed to retire, because all retirees have to move to Florida and play golf.
I hate golf, and when you hate golf, you're not allowed to retire, because all retirees have to move to Florida and play golf. I hate golf so I can't retire. But I joke about that. I really, really enjoy productive work. This month, my 47th book is coming out.
VY: Wow.
NC: All my books do well. Eleven Blunders That Cripple Psychotherapy in America: A Remedial Unblundering is shaking up the APA. People are reading it. I get invited all over to talk at meetings and state conventions and so forth on the subject. So maybe I was put on this earth to be an agent provocateur. I don't know. But nonetheless, I am proud of my profession. I love this profession. I have never left it. I want it to succeed. It dismays me that we've created a profession that is full of economic illiterates. They don't think that private practice is a business, yet they have a product called psychotherapy. They have a place of business called their office.
VY: A unique skill set.
NC: A unique skill set. They collect a fee. They pay taxes on that fee. It has all the attributes of a business but they say, "No, no, I'm not in business."
VY: I heard recently that a lot of psychotherapists are reluctant to accept credit cards because they feel they’re enabling their clients to get into debt, rather than use the preferred method of payment in this country.
NC: Hippocrates said it is the obligation of the physician to do no harm, and he lists a number of things that the physician has to do. Then he talked about the obligations of the patient, and the first one was to pay the fee. Now, that was Hippocrates in 300 B.C.! And psychologists haven't learned that. You go to a physician's office, and when you check out, you pay the fee. At many physicians’ offices now, you pay the fee when you check in. Psychologists haven't learned that, and they say, "I didn't become a therapist to make money."
When I ask them, "Did you become a therapist to lose money?" they don't know what to say.
When I ask them, "Did you become a therapist to lose money?" they don't know what to say.
VY: So what parting words of advice would you have for young psychologists, students wanting to get into the field, people in mid-career to ensure their continued success?
NC: Pick your graduate school carefully.
VY: OK. If you’re going to graduate school, pick it carefully
NC: Make sure that they are teaching business courses, teaching you where the profession is going and how you have to evolve to keep up—all the things that most ivy-covered professors have no idea about. And drop your anti-business bias. Drop your guru worship. We're at a conference right now that is founded on guru worship. There was a time when we worshiped our leaders because we had no evidence-based therapy. If you wanted to prove something, you'd say, "Well, Sigmund Freud said…" or "Anna Freud said…" or "Carl Jung said…" Now, under health reform, if you don't do evidence-based therapy, you won't get reimbursed. So pick your graduate program carefully. I would say most of them are worthless. Again, I'm mincing my words, I know.
VY: You mentioned evidence-based treatment. What’s your general thought about that, and manualized treatment as well?
NC: The problem with evidence-based treatment as it's going now—it's very recent—I refer to the three E's of psychotherapy. We need to do what the IOM has told medicine it has to do–we have to catch up to that.
VY: What’s IOM?
NC: The Institute of Medicine. Their "Closing the Quality Chasm," one of the greatest reports ever written about health care, alludes to this: that there's too much non-effective treatment going on out there. But at any rate, Chambliss has called our attention to the need for evidence-based, the first E. Barlow has come along and he said, "Now wait a minute, what often works in the laboratory doesn't work in the treatment room. So we also have to look ateffectiveness. Does the evidence-based that worked in the laboratory work now in real life?" That's the second E. And the third E was developed by some guy named Nick Cummings, and it stands for efficiency: that we not only need evidence and effectiveness, but we also need efficiency.

Let's take an example in medicine. There was a time when everybody got a coronary bypass: expensive, intrusive. It took months to recover. Now we find out that a lot of the people can be treated with a stent instead of a coronary bypass. That's efficiency. The coronary bypass was effective, but it wasn't efficient. Psychotherapy does not look to develop efficiency. And this is one of the things we're doing in this program: we're creating the kind of efficiency that goes from getting 10 percent of the patients referred to 90 percent. Those are the three E's that I use. Stopping at evidence-based would be a mistake. It has to be proven in the field.
VY: And what about manualized therapies that are being taught? How do you manualize a human relationship, especially given that everyone is different?
NC: At American Biodyne, we had 68 proven group interventions or therapies–all time-limited, manualized psychotherapy. And they were guidelines; they were not cookbooks.
Ultimately, therapist ingenuity, insight and decision trump the manual.
Ultimately, therapist ingenuity, insight and decision trump the manual.
VY: I’m glad to hear you say that.
NC: Too many manuals are considered sacrosanct. That's a mistake. The word "manualized" to me is a dirty word because it denotes, "Here's the bible that you can't deviate from." I don't believe in that. The guidelines we had for our programs were based on our research. For example, if I can give you one innovation that was just absolutely fantastic…
VY: Sure, why not?
NC: Borderline personality disorder—the scourge of all therapists. If you see borderlines, get ready—someday you're going to be sued, as Bryant Welch, who defends psychologists all over the country, said. We developed a program for treating borderlines. We created an esprit de corps where the borderlines would police each other, which a therapist can't do. And we created an atmosphere where, "If I can't do this, I'm not going to let you get away with it."
VY: These are in groups.
NC: These are in groups. And our research showed how effective this was.
VY: Was the group identified as being for borderlines?
NC: Yeah.
VY: So they accepted their diagnosis?
NC: "You're a borderline." The first such group we did we called the "last-chance group." We had a group of borderlines that, for one of the Blue Cross plans, were so egregious that Blue Cross was considering dropping their health insurance. And I said, "Give me one more chance." They were all borderline women. See, male borderlines are scarce in psychotherapy because they go into the criminal justice system. They do things that get themselves in jail. Female borderlines disrupt the mental health system, not the criminal system. So most of our borderlines were women. And we called this the "Losers Group." "If you flunk this therapy, you're out of the health plan. I have prevailed upon the heads of Blue Cross Blue Shield to give you one last chance. I want to let you know that I have a side bet that you're all going to flunk. It's a sizable bet and I don't think I'm going to lose, because I don't throw my money away." So they're motivated: "I'll show this SOB." But then you create an atmosphere where they police each other. And then from there—and we would only have 20 group sessions, two hours each—they start to be able to form boundaries for themselves for the first time. And then we allow them brief intermittent psychotherapy throughout the life cycle. "Whenever you can, come back." It works. My therapist said, "I'm terrified when I have one borderline in my office. You want me to have eight??"
VY: Well, that could get into a whole other discussion about why there’s so little group therapy going on when it’s such an effective mode of treatment. But before we wrap up, getting back to words of wisdom, one was for therapists to pick their grad schools carefully if they’re going; the second was, if they’re practicing, to think of themselves as businesspeople. Any more words of advice?
NC: Be flexible and innovative. Unfortunately, too much of psychotherapy has been carved in stone. It is turning itself into obsolescence. Patients are ultimately our customers. The main characteristic of a customer is if they don't like your product, they don't buy it. And that's what we are now. Patients have been misled into now saying psychotherapy takes too long. They accept medication.
VY: I don’t know that they’re not buying it. I think the demand is still there and probably stronger than ever. I think its more an oversupply, as you said.
NC: That's one. But the actual number of referrals for psychotherapy have declined by 40 percent. Let me give you a very concrete figure. In 1995, 92 percent of all patients discharged from a psychiatric hospital were referred for outpatient psychotherapy. In 2005, it dropped to 10 percent. Ten percent!
VY: They’re not being referred–not that they’re not wanting it.
NC: They're put on a medication regimen. They're not being referred, but… If a customer wants the iPod, they're going to get it. If they really wanted psychotherapy, they'd get it. They say they're satisfied with the medication. Psychotherapy is not in its golden era; we would see articles in 1950 that psychology was going to solve the world's ills.
VY: And in the 60’s, drugs were, and in the 70’s, encounter groups were; and then it was the decade of the brain. Hope springs eternal.
NC: Yeah. But if a product keeps up… Nobody is going to buy a 1980's Apple computer.
If Apple hadn't kept up, if they hadn’t made the iPod, etc., they would have gone out of business. We also have to innovate.
If Apple hadn't kept up, if they hadn’t made the iPod, etc., they would have gone out of business. We also have to innovate.
VY: You’ve certainly walked the walk in your life. It’s been a pleasure to review your lifetime of innovations, creativity and contributions, even if they occasionally disrupt things and annoy people. It’s been a great pleasure talking with you, so thank you very much.
NC: Thank you very much, Victor.

Larry Beutler on Science and Psychotherapy

The Making of a Psychologist

Hui Qi Tong: Good morning, Larry.
Larry Beutler: Good morning.
HT: So I’ve known you in different capacities for a couple of years, and I have to confess that it’s always been on my mind over these years that one day I might have the opportunity to just sit across from you and interview you.
LB: Well, I'm glad to get a chance, myself. It's nice to have you here.
HT: I’m always kind of intrigued with people’s passions–their choice of profession. How did you come to choose to be a psychologist?
LB: That's a good question. Subjectively, I'm not sure I chose. I think the profession kind of chose me. My first year in college, I had probably four different majors. I started out in chemistry because my cousin was in chemistry. And then in the middle of the quarter I think I switched to physics. I went through math. By my second year I think I'd been in art, I'd been in social science, I'd been in sociology, I'd been in pre-law. But I transferred from a junior college to a university, and on a whim, I'd taken one psychology course and I'd really enjoyed it, and they asked for my intended major and I wrote down "psychology." And I've never looked back.

But I'm sure that it's more complex than that. I think there are other some other hidden issues. I had struggled for a long time, as most adolescents do, trying to find a place for myself, and….

HT: To establish your identity.
LB: And a lot of my identity was built in regard to my family's very conservative values. And part of their conservative religious values put them at odds with what I came to be learning in high school and college, in particular, around the role of service. My family's values emphasized the role of service, but only within the confines of a religious organization. And it really had a very hierarchical kind of structure. And I became very concerned with what it did to disenfranchise certain people–people who were outsiders, people who by virtue of their skin color, by virtue of their ethnic background, by virtue of their gender, were given a different role within my family's value structure. And I struggled with that for many years and ultimately made some very significant changes. quote[:I made specific decisions about wanting to build into my life a view of people that was infused with more equality than I had seen.] I don't mean to say that my family wasn't respectful and interested in people's assets, but they regarded people only based on their religious beliefs, and infused in those religious beliefs were a lot of attitudes about gender and race. Within their religious view, for example, people whose skin was darker colored than Caucasians came from a place prior to their birth that was less righteous than those of us with white skin. And that was a real troubling aspect for me as I came into my early twenties, and became an organizing theme for what essentially became a break with my family and a break with my traditions.
HT: Have you had any opportunity to voice your own opinions within your family?
LB: Oh yeah, I did What it meant was that nobody in my family would talk to me for a number of years!
HT: That’s hard.
LB: When I was going through this struggle, we had strong words. I was not slow to voice my objections. And I did so in a very clumsy, awkward and hostile way. And what it did was disenfranchise me from my family, my sister, my father, and all my relatives that I'd been raised with. And some of those relationships have survived, some have healed at least partially, and some never healed. So I would have to say it was in some ways costly, but it was also freeing. I did become very much my own person in that regard, in how I set my values. But by the same token, what I set as a value, to live what I considered to be a good life, was very different from what I'd been raised with, and there have been periods in my life where I've had to struggle with, and really make sure I was doing what I had vowed myself to do. And you know, I haven't always been successful in that. I find little pieces of bigotry and rigidity and other kinds of things hidden in my persona that I have to expunge from time to time. It has been an organizing theme for me.
HT: What was your family’s religion?
LB: Our religion was Mormon. And the reason I guess that this comes up right now is I've just been in a conversation with a childhood friend that I have resurrected a relationship with. We haven't talked to each other for 50 years. But over the past year, we've developed a friendship again. And he has had a lot of similar experiences that I had in regard to family struggle, and now I'm in contact with his brother, and I've just gone through a week of revisiting some of these old issues. And resurrecting some of the feelings that occurred to me back when I was going through this in my twenties and thirties. So it's very raw to me right now. But I think that it was very pointedly involved in my decision, happenstantial as it might have been, to get into the helping fields, and ultimately to become a clinical scientist and practitioner in psychotherapy.
HT: So that’s really profound, your experience during adolescence and young adulthood, how you moved away from the old frame of view and broke some bonds to free yourself to establish your own identity. You mentioned that before you entered psychology, you were exposed to math, chemistry, physics. I also believe that no experience is wasted.
LB: Oh, no, I enjoyed it.
HT: And you’re such a hardcore scientist in the field of psychology. I just wonder whether the experience of being immersed in basic science had an impact on your research in psychology.
LB: I think so. I think I gained some appreciation for science in that process, although my original aims in psychology were to be a private practitioner. I didn't make the decision to be a scientist until I was well into my doctoral studies. But it occurs that that is a theme in my life: I wind up making decisions that, it feels to me, are really not made decisively. But as I look at my life it's almost as if I had planned it from the beginning.
HT: That’s a wonderful feeling.
LB: It's a curious phenomenon to observe that one does make something of their life, and sometimes their brain is the last part of them to know.

The Challenge of Training Psychologists

HT: You mentioned you started out wanting to be a practitioner, then later on became a researcher, a scientist-practitioner. I wonder–at our school (Palo Alto University) our training model is more practitioner-scientist–if you were to design a training program, how would you design it?
LB: Well, that too is a good point, because I struggle with that still. I struggle with it now as I teach my Introduction to Psychotherapy class, because I designed that as I have thought for years would be the best way to teach people how to be good psychotherapists. But I'm finding now that I may be wrong, that I have to relook at how I develop the steps to becoming a good scientist-practitioner, practitioner-scientist.

I wound up moving from being a clinical researcher with, as most psychologists want, a practice on the side. I've always had a practice, and sometimes it's been a very big part of my life, but other times it has not been. But always there since receiving my PhD, has been the clinical scientist. My practitioner world has been taking what I find in the laboratory and then trying it out. And there have been people who have talked about their research–good scientists like Hans Strupp, for example. He's a remarkable man. But he's always said that his research findings, his science, really never had any influence on his practice. And see, I find just the opposite–what I found in my research had a very direct impact on it. And that being the case, I see that what has occurred as I have thought about the third role, which is education, that I have changed a lot in how I think the concepts need to be given or provided for students. And I'm still changing, and I'm not certain about that right now. Because I'd say what I have been doing the past three or four years isn't working as well as I'd hoped it would.
HT: What have you been doing the past three years?
LB: I've been trying to teach the students from the beginning what the core basic concepts are in psychotherapy, independent of the theoretical model they apply. The core basic principles, the most fundamental ways of looking at an individual and constructing the interaction that will have a beneficial effect. This is what I've derived from my research, looking at others and so forth. The fundamental core principles of psychotherapy.
HT: Do you mean the principles of change or…
LB: The principles of change, the principles of how one person can interact in a closed environment with another person to facilitate change. And I put a lot of stock in those principles. And the more I find out about them, the more I find that there are more principles, but there are some really good ones. I just wish I could articulate them better. But I have been operating on the assumption that if I taught them the basic principles first, and then taught them their theoretical models, that then they would be better practitioners. But this is just the opposite of what I did for years at the University of California: we would teach the theoretical models first and then teach them how to integrate concepts out of those models and principles.
HT: So now you’re adopting an approach that is broader to start with–just lay the foundation, then later on students will study the specific models.
LB: That's the idea. And it sounds good. But it's not working. It's really not working.
HT: How can you tell it’s not working?
LB: My students tell me. I mean, I am going through a period where students, I am finding, are very resistant to the methods that I am applying. And so it makes me want to return to some of the ones that worked before, and to redo the educational process. So in answer to your question, I don't have a handle on how to go about teaching people at this point. I have little glimpses of how to teach people. The real problem that you have in trying to teach people psychotherapy is you can't just teach them about it–you have to expose them to it. And in the beginning processes, that is a very tender, fragile kind of interaction, to teach people to interact with a client. Because the therapist is afraid, the client is afraid, and bad things might happen. Good things might happen, and most of the time they do. But bad things might happen. So one has to be careful in that initial interaction. I haven't found a way to do that in a way that students feel safe enough to try it.

I don't like the way that psychotherapy is conventionally taught. I don't think it works well. I think out of it we have produced one third of therapists who are ineffective at best and maybe harmful. That's not a good track record. We have an article that just came out, for example, in one of the APS [American Psychological Society] journals from some old colleagues of mine,1
that most psychologists simply don't practice anything based upon any scientific evidence whatsoever.
that most psychologists simply don't practice anything based upon any scientific evidence whatsoever. And we know that. We've known that for years. And what they propose is that we begin to make our training programs reflect specifically how well students are able to incorporate scientific findings into what they do. I think it's important. But then, just this morning I was interacting, I'm a member of APA Council and I was interacting with people on the Web about this very article. And one of the very strong themes in that is, "These people are all wrong. Science doesn't matter to clinical practice." And these are very senior people. Some of the former APA presidents and leaders are saying this, that science doesn't really matter to practice. These people are all wrong.

Making Science Matter

HT: You have a paper just published this year about making science matter and redefining psychotherapy. What I see that’s interesting is that bidirectional communication is disconnected. Some clinicians do whatever they want, and disregard what scientific evidence is there. And some researchers actually don’t pay attention to what’s really going on in the room.
LB: They don't. They don't.
HT: They come up with narrow, rigid focuses of the scientific inquiry, as well as the way they design their research.
LB: That's very true. We have, I think, in the course of our experience as a budding science, defined ourselves almost out of… not out of existence, but out of value. We try to adopt, in the psychotherapy field, a model of research that was being used very successfully in psychopharmacology, was being used somewhat less successfully in medicine, but was highly advocated and highly regarded. And it was a model that to many people looked really good. It's the medical analogy that you consider the treatment to be like aspirin: we need to know the ingredients of it, and the person who gives it shouldn't matter. So we give cognitive therapy disembodied from the therapist. And we studied in a disembodied fashion. Now people are giving lip service, finally, to the inappropriateness of that, but they haven't changed the method. They still rely upon that narrow method that says we will train people to follow a prescription, we will train them to do it so it doesn't matter who is delivering it. And then we will study the outcome.

And the one thing that these people are wrong about is they make a big case out of the fact that they have discovered that cognitive therapy worked well with all of these groups. Now, they're right. But what they don't say is that they've discovered that cognitive therapy is better than something else. Because we haven't discovered that. What we've discovered is cognitive therapy works. But people hear the implication that it works better, and therefore we should be doing it. But that's only because we have in our research model excluded characteristics of the therapists, nondiagnostic characteristics of the patient, qualities of the context, and certainly qualities of the relationship. And so the paper you're talking about is one in which I try to make the argument that
psychotherapy is not just what the therapist does. It is, in fact, who the therapist is, how the therapist interacts, who the client is, how they interact, and the nature of the relationship.
psychotherapy is not just what the therapist does. It is, in fact, who the therapist is, how the therapist interacts, who the client is, how they interact, and the nature of the relationship. And all of those components can be scientifically studied. But they can't be studied using the research designs that we're currently using. Interestingly, out of that, I've gotten an invitation to present a paper at the SPR conference in June at Asilomar.
HT: What’s the SPR?
LB: It's the Society for Psychotherapy Research, an international society. I've been president of it. But it was the place in which Gerald Klerman, who was head of the National Institute of Mental Health, made his first pronouncement that we were going to study psychotherapy as if it were aspirin, and initiate the randomized clinical trials model for psychotherapy research. And at that point we began forgetting about therapists and patients and relationships.
HT: That reminds me of evidence-based practice in psychology–it’s really parallel with evidence-based practice in medicine.
LB: Well, that's what they try to make it.
HT: Tell me about your opinion of the EBPP [evidence based practice in psychology] movement. There are so many different terms coming out of that, and now there’s also research-informed practice. I’m a bit confused about all these forms.
LB: I'm confused too. I strongly believe that practice should be research based, and should certainly be more than research informed. "Research informed" is where the American Psychological Association has now taken this with their task force a few years ago. This was discussed just the other day in the council exchange that I was talking about a moment ago, where James Bray, who is currently the president of APA, tried to make the case that psychotherapy is not research based, and should not be. According to him, it should be based upon research knowledge, plus patient values, plus the personal impressions, feelings and judgment of the therapist. And that to me is a scary thought, but that's where we are in psychology.

It's the one thing that makes this whole thing into a soup rather than a science, because it says there are three equivalent ways of knowing something is true: one is through patient values, one is through the observations and judgment of the clinician, and the third is through science, and they are to be equal as they go into this soup. Well, to me that makes a soup that has no character. Because if we don't keep the research base–not just research informed, but research grounded–we are back to the point in our history that anything goes as long as you're sincere. The patient values guide us. Those values may be quite disturbing and distorted. Certainly we know that therapists' judgment is often very poor. If one third of therapists produce more patients that get worse than get better, well, I'm not sure I want to trust my children to those therapists. And that means that we need to do something to improve their judgment, and I don't know any better way to do it than through scientific grounding.
HT: It seems to me that all of these three components–the patient’s values and preferences, the clinician’s wisdom or experience, as well as the scientific evidence– should be integrated and tested.
LB: They should be integrated. If we could adopt research, plans, programs and methods that incorporated the investigation of how patient values affect clinical judgment and treatment procedures that would be psychotherapy. But as long as we are conceptualizing it as separate, it will stay separate and it will stay ineffective. The common finding is still that all therapies are the same. It doesn't matter too much whether it's therapy as usual or whether it's a therapy constructed out of the theoretical research model or what. They're all pretty much the same as long as all you do is study them in a disembodied way, separate and independent of the patient's values and of the therapist's judgment, experience, background, etc.
HT: That reminds me of the Dodo bird verdict2, that everything works.
LB: It is a Dodo bird verdict. All have won and all must have prizes. Everybody wins. The problem is also that everybody loses.
HT: Yeah. So if in the near future there would be a new research design which is not as narrow, incorporates every factor that is important, relevant…
LB: I'm cautiously optimistic. I want to be alive when it happens.
HT: But you’re doing it now.
LB: Well, I have tried very hard to make it happen. If I have a mission in the world, this is the mission I would like to accomplish.
HT: Can you state your mission so we capture it here clearly?
LB: To redefine what we are studying in psychotherapy, to be more inclusive rather than exclusive, to be inclusive of the common factors, to be inclusive of the therapist factors, patient factors, etc., that are not bound within these narrow definitions of diagnosis and treatment model. Now, it seems periodically that we have made some headway in doing that. People are interested in this paper I published3, they're citing it and so forth. But it's not the one that's getting on the front page of the New York Times. This is the one that's getting on the front page of the New York Times: Psychotherapists are not practicing scientific methods and they won't. And again, there are two things wrong with that. One is that that is a sad shame if it's true, and second is that our definition of psychotherapy almost makes it impossible for psychotherapists to do otherwise.
HT: So in this particular paper, “Making Science Matter,” you said something really salient. You said, “Despite all the evidence or lack of evidence that science matters so far, I still believe that scientific methods offer the best way of finding optimal and effective ways to intervene with behavioral health problems.”
LB: That's right. That takes me back to my chemistry and physics. There are connections between things, and the best way to find them is to control variables and allow other variables to vary, and systematically evaluate the outcome.

Matching Therapists, Treatment and Patients

HT: What are the variables you think are important to study in a more broad kind of approach?
LB: There are so many of them. I think, increasingly, the evidence as I read it says
the maximal amount of change that we'll be able to account for is going to be embodied in the way therapist characteristics, treatment, and patient characteristics interact
the maximal amount of change that we'll be able to account for is going to be embodied in the way therapist characteristics, treatment, and patient characteristics interact–algorithms, essentially, that bring those three things together. Those will be the strongest contributors. It will not be therapy procedures, it will not be patient diagnosis, it will not be these other isolated variables. It will be the interaction among them.

And so I am very tied to looking at ways to match patients to therapists and match patients to treatment. And those are two different things, but they have to be incorporated within the same research model. There are certain things we find very difficult to randomly assign. The gender of the therapist, you know, that's difficult. We can assign male and female therapists, but we can't assign to a therapist a different gender and separate out of that connection what the therapist is from the gender the therapist assigns. So we've got to find more flexible research models that don't throw away the randomized clinical trial but add to it more correlational kinds of variables to put into that mix and evaluate the outcomes. And that, I think, is where science needs to go to become really relevant.
HT: I’ve taken your course twice, and in the class we read your book Systematic Treatment Selection4. And that model is what you’re talking about: to try to capture the patient’s characteristics, the therapist’s characteristics, and to match them, and also looking at what kind of treatment approach will work best for a certain patient depending on the stage of their condition. Can you tell more about therapist and patient matching? What do you match them on?
LB: Well, again, the potential is limitless. But what we look at are four basic kinds of variables. And sometimes it's difficult to assign the ownership of those. Are they characteristics of the patient, the therapist, or the treatment? They should call it intervention, not treatment, because it describes what the therapist does, and we can only roughly categorize those into groups. Of the variables that we look at, the first one is really the impairment level of the patient. Now, the impairment level of the patient isn't just something owned by the patient. It's also owned by the context in which they live, the social environment, the culture, the value system that exists in that culture to define what is adaptable and not adaptable. So we can't just study functional impairment disembodied from the culture in which it lives.
HT: So it’s really beyond the DSM-IV.
LB: Oh, way beyond the DSM-IV. But we can take functional impairment and say, once you have defined it within a cultural context, then there are a couple of things we can clearly say we know about that; one of them is that the more impaired the person is, the more treatment they require, the more varied kind of treatment they need to get, and the more it needs to extend into the environment in which they live. There's some real implications with this. This means family treatments need to be involved based on the impairment level. That means groups–social groups, not just therapy groups but social groups–need to be involved, and that the intervention needs to be more life consuming the more impaired the person is. But you need to start with how you define the impairment in the culture in which it's done.
HT: By life consuming, you mean more sessions, longer sessions?
LB: More sessions, longer sessions, and sessions out there, not in the office.
We need to help take the person out into the world in which they live, and therapists are still reluctant to do that.
We need to help take the person out into the world in which they live, and therapists are still reluctant to do that. The second variable we look at is the patient's coping style, but that too is a culturally defined variable. It reflects what works within the culture that one lives. It's clear to us now that at least people in many Asian cultures, certainly Japan and probably China, tend to cope with things in a much more internalized and self-reflective fashion. And the concept of collectivism becomes very important in the whole concept of coping. So we need to understand coping within the context of the culture it occurs in.

But within that there is variability, and it varies along this dimension of how one copes, how one deals with the self versus others, how one accommodates to others versus defends against others. Once we know that, then it can tell us a little bit about how we need to intervene, what kind of focus we need to take. And again, the effect sizes of this cut across cultures pretty well right now. Compare the effect size of cognitive therapy to interpersonal therapy: the mean effect size is zero. But if you can compare what we call a good match between the focus and the coping style of the patient, and a poor match between the focus and the coping style of the patient, we get effect sizes on average of 0.6 to 0.7. That's good–those are high effect sizes. That means that we're having a much more significant effect upon that patient by taking into account coping style than we are by identifying their diagnosis.

Then we take the next variable, which is a patient's resistance. And this is where we get some real problems. We've always thought that if a therapist can identify and deal with how the patient wards off efforts to persuade them or change them, then the therapist can adapt to that. And we find, in fact, that this only works in some contexts. For example, we just did an analysis of the effect size related to coping style and directiveness of the therapist. We've always thought that if the patient was very resistant, then if the therapist was less directive and confrontive they would be able to persuade them. But that seems like it may only work in North America. And it may only work with relatively serious problems. People with less serious problems and people that are outside of the North American value system may not always relate to that. In fact, very resistant patients in some cultures may respond well to a very directive, authoritative therapist. We don't know yet. And we don't know whether the therapist is able to change their level of directiveness. We don't know if it's a characteristic of the therapist or a characteristic of the therapy, or if you can even make those distinctions.
HT: Yes, I can see that–even with different therapists the resistance level would be different.
LB: Then the final thing we look at is the distress level. This is an aspect of patient adjustment, obviously. It becomes a problem of separating that concept from functional impairment, because your distress level changes functional impairment. People can't function well if they're highly distressed. On the other hand, they don't get motivated very well if they don't have some distress. So the real clinical struggle is to find that window in which they are motivated for change, because they are uncomfortable and they want to become comfortable. They're motivated for change but they're still functional.
HT: Distressed but not overwhelmed.
LB: And then if you're successful in therapy and help them lower their distress, what does that do? Does it take away their motivation to continue to work? There are some interesting answers with this that we don't know, but what we do know is that motivation, as embodied in concepts of arousal, are important in trying to facilitate and negotiate this road of psychotherapy. There is something here about the management of patient emotions. Helping them manage their emotions so they stay within a window, an optimal range that is very important. And many therapies talk about that, but it's real hard to define what the window is.

Lessons from Horse Training

HT: At the VA (Veterans Administration) we often say it’s not only the distress but also the functional impairment that will bring the veterans in. So they will avoid seeking service until their relationship doesn’t work.
LB: Things crumble.
HT: Yeah. They lost their job. And of course they’re subjectively distressed, but they avoid that due to different reasons. But it’s not until they’re really impaired in their social or interpersonal occupational functions that they come in.
LB: Some people have a lot of tolerance for distress, and other people have very little tolerance for it. The levels of impairment and disruption in their lives become an additional factor in helping them. In fact, there's a principle in horse training that has been articulated by several different people in what's called the natural horsemanship movement. It says: Distress motivates, release teaches. But to take that analogy further–and I do find the analogy an interesting one–I got back into working with horses when I moved to California in about 1990. For the twenty years prior to that, I'd been flying airplanes and interested and enjoying airplanes, and then it just got too expensive to do, so I thought I'd get back into a cheaper kind of thing.
HT: And you didn’t find a good analogy.
LB: I didn't find a good analogy in flying airplanes. It's very interesting because I used the airplane functionally. I used it to go from Point A to Point B, and it was fun to do. I traveled all over Texas trying to recruit students to our graduate programs and talking to them about psychotherapy and so forth. But the plane was a way to get there and have fun while I was doing it.

When I got back into horses I discovered that there are so many parallels with psychotherapy. And it has changed so much–it gave me some hope for the field. When I was a kid doing horses, we broke them. We really tried to bend their wills, and we forced them into positions. It took a long time, and it was hard to do, and they were always resistant. As I got back into it, I discovered a whole new movement had occurred, in which what was important in horse training was the relationship you had with the horse, not the technology you used to make the horse do something.
When I got back into horses I discovered that there are so many parallels with psychotherapy. And it has changed so much–it gave me some hope for the field. When I was a kid doing horses, we broke them. We really tried to bend their wills, and we forced them into positions. It took a long time, and it was hard to do, and they were always resistant. As I got back into it, I discovered a whole new movement had occurred, in which what was important in horse training was the relationship you had with the horse, not the technology you used to make the horse do something. So it was the development of a relationship that became important and that gave you the avenues to do all kinds of other things. And I saw people doing some marvelous things with horses that I'd never thought we could do when I was 15 years old and trying to do these things. And I started to apply some of that to psychotherapy.
HT: Like what?
LB: Like this concept of managing their arousal level. For horses, that becomes a central component of any training experience–to be able to raise it up and be able to release it, to stop it. With horses that's relatively easy to do once you get the concept and the additional one that says, well, if it doesn't work in big steps, take small steps. If we could apply just those two concepts to psychotherapy, I think we'd have greater levels of effectiveness than we do now. But we don't; we couch them in all kinds of other things, and the human condition makes it harder to observe when a person is optimally aroused, and it also makes it more difficult for a therapist to relieve that arousal, because they're responding to so many things out there.

I began to note that in a small, enclosed area anybody can train a horse to come to you when you ask it to. All you have to do is control those two basic principles. You control their arousal and you break it down into small steps. I could teach anybody to do that. But then when I said, "Okay, generalize that principle, take it out of that small, enclosed area, and teach a horse to do the same thing out there in a hundred acres," some people could analyze it and decide how to do it, but most people could not. I began to observe how psychotherapists learn to do something. To most psychotherapists, they see it as a technique, but to some psychotherapists, they see it as a principle. And that means that they can change it and still be true to the principle and apply it in a new situation to a new patient in a new environment. The difference between a technician and a therapist, an artist, is not that they don't follow the same principles. It's that they are able to translate them into new settings, new environments, and new ways of operating. And that's where the real art and science of psychotherapy come together: to identify what the scientific principles are, and then learn to use them creatively in new environments with new people under new circumstances. It's happened in horse training.
HT: But the challenge is how to apply these principles to human behavior.
LB: If it can happen in horse training, it may be able to happen in psychotherapy. We've got bright people working in psychotherapy. Can't they just move beyond that narrow view to be able to see the creative way of applying scientific principles?

Therapy Research Across Cultures

HT: So we’ve come back to evidence and science. And I know you’ve been working in Argentina, Japan, China. Any findings from the STS (Systematic Treatment Selection) approach? Any preliminary data that shows that it’s a better alternative to the traditional “gold standard” of manualized treatment? What does the data say so far?
LB: The data is pretty clear, so far, that we can do a better job of predicting outcome and even controlling outcome by controlling things that include the context and the environment. I point to the coping style focus of therapy, for example. This seems to be a construct that does nicely moving across cultures. We don't know about all cultures, but many–we've tried in Northern Europe, we've tried in North and South America, we're beginning to try it in Asian countries. It's a general principle that cuts across culture, that
if you can identify variation in the coping style and then begin to fit the focus of therapy as either insight-focused or symptom-focused based upon that coping style, then we can facilitate change.
if you can identify variation in the coping style and then begin to fit the focus of therapy as either insight-focused or symptom-focused based upon that coping style, then we can facilitate change. Therapists seem to be able to change what they do, at least a little bit, to become more insight-focused or more symptom-focused. It is not a characteristic that's so closely bound to the therapist that they can't alter it.

The relationship between resistance and directiveness with therapy, that seems to be more difficult to generalize. That seems to be a characteristic that's very tied to the therapist–can they be both directive and non-directive? No. It's hard for them to do. The way that people resist and the way they respond to directiveness also varies across cultures.
HT: So you’re identifying that some principles are universal but some are more culturally bound.
LB: That's the important aspect of all of this: being able to define what is generalizable from one place to another, and what is not. And what makes it generalizable and what inhibits it from being generalizable. People talk to some degree about this model of mine, this STS model, as being a common factors model, because it looks at the same variables across all of treatment. But it doesn't apply them the same. It asks specifically for variation in what one does as a function of the patient characteristic. It's not common across and it doesn't fit all therapeutic models, it doesn't fit all cultures. But we don't know all of the limits yet, so that's really where we're going.
HT: One thing that occurred to me is I’ve heard over the years that therapy is about what, when, who. But what you’re talking about is the how. You’re not talking about therapy itself, but rather what you’re using with whom and when to use it. STS sounds to me like you’re figuring out how to take all these factors into consideration.
LB: Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. We're really still addressing Donald Kiesler's concern of 1967, that there is still the myth of homogeneity of therapists and patients and so forth. And a real central question that Kiesler raised at that point was what treatment works with what patient under what conditions by whom. And we're still trying to do that. What psychotherapy as a field has done is move away from everything but the what. We want to incorporate the what, but we want to keep the who there, and for whom, by whom, under what conditions.
HT: That’s amazing.
LB: It will be amazing if it works. Well, it does work. It will be amazing if it catches on. People, psychotherapists in particular, continue to look for something more simplistic than that.
HT: I’m thinking about China, where we have a limited number of therapists. It’s really hard to do this matching, because many of them were trained in one approach, for example, a more dynamic approach, and they use this approach with everybody. And some of them were trained in CBT and they do CBT with everybody. And I think in the beginning of this kind of developing stage, it’s almost inevitable.
LB: Yes, but the nice thing about the STS model that defines all of these principles is that you don't have to use all of them at once. If I could just give you one principle that could make a significant impact on your treatment that you could follow, for example, the fit of the impairment level of the patient to the intensity of treatment. The more impaired they are, the more they need a wide variety of different treatments, the more they need treatments that involve other people, the more they need treatments that involve the society out there. If I could just give you that principle, you could do substantial things to your effectiveness rates.

The other principle I could give you has to do with the coping style of the patient and the focus of treatment. If you could just change that–and you could do it within any model. I mean, Freud talked about symptom-focused kinds of interventions versus more insight-oriented interventions. The range of what the therapist does within a particular model is not as great as what they might do if they had a wider range of therapeutic models at their disposal. But they have some variability, and thus they have some choices, and could improve their effectiveness if they were just to apply one or two principles. I have no hope that people will apply more than five, because I don't think people can keep more than five in their head at once. The best thing we know, the closest thing to truth we have out of this whole field, is that they could make a very substantial difference in how effective they were in working with a wide range of the people by just taking one or two of the principles. You don't have to take the whole thing.
HT: But from an STS approach, the therapist needs to have expertise in more than one approach, right?
LB: Well, to be optimal, it would be nice. But it's not more than one approach. They have to have a toolbox that's filled with more things than screwdrivers. If you're going to do a job, you need to have a toolbox that's full of tools. So you don't just have reflection. You don't just have interpretation. Or you don't just have behavior reinforcement or contracting. You try to have a toolbox full of many of those things. And ideally you need to have a toolbox that's filled with individual interventions plus group and multi-person interventions. You need to have a toolbox that has in it both tools to increase distress and lower distress, that both focuses upon indirect change through insight versus direct change through behavioral reinforcement, and that gives you variation in being reflective versus being directive. If you have a toolbox that has some of those tools, you don't need the whole model. You don't need to buy psychoanalysis and have the whole training in psychoanalysis to do an interpretation. You have some tools to do it, and then what STS tells you is when you might optimally use each of those tools.
Don't use a hammer for every job you have. I mean, around the ranch I like to say, I can fix anything with a hammer. But you know, it's really not true.
Don't use a hammer for every job you have. I mean, around the ranch I like to say, I can fix anything with a hammer. But you know, it's really not true.

The Future of Psychotherapy

HT: So if I may, I have two more questions. One is more practical, and one is more broad and general. Let’s go with the more practical one. If you’re speaking to a group of entry-level therapists who are just starting their career in this business, what would you say to them about what they can do to be more effective therapists?
LB: The central theme: first is relationship. That's what I would tell the horse trainer, and that's what I would tell the psychotherapist. If I have one thing to tell them: learn to listen. And you'd be surprised at how difficult this is. But it's the one thing that they need to start with, the ability to sit and listen to another person without an agenda, without inserting some salesmanship, trying to sell a point or a point of view or a perspective. Don't sell a perspective. First, learn to listen. Now, for more advanced ones, then they can learn one principle at a time. The next principle I would say…
HT: How many do we have? How many principles do we have?
LB: We can have a hundred principles.
HT: Eighteen?
LB: Well, we've got 18 in STS, but we know there are more principles than that. But the ones that are going to have the most powerful impact are the principles having to do with the quality of the relationship, because most of the patients that you see will benefit just from that. They don't need anything else. So learn to listen. If you just learn to listen–I'm talking to you as everyone. You're a collectivist, right?
HT: I’m integrative.
LB: Integrative. All right. This perspective, if people could just learn to listen and to do it without inserting. It's called motivational interviewing, it's called client-centered therapy, it's called humanistic therapy. If you could learn that concept of listening, most people that you see would benefit from it without adding anything else.

And then if you were to add the principle of intensifying therapy with the level of impairment that a person has. Just those two concepts. If I could get that across to new therapists out there, they would make a huge difference. But they don't believe me. They say, "research be damned." They don't believe me.
HT: How many years did it take you to come up with these ideas?
LB: What am I? I'm almost 69.
HT: It’s 50 years of wisdom.
LB: At least.
HT: At least. No, every year counts–69 years. Okay, one last question–it’s kind of a broad one. What do you think of the future of psychotherapy, or the best possible approach to psychotherapy?
LB: Well, those are two different questions. My greatest fear is that psychotherapy will continue to persist in this fragmented way, and that we will see an increasing schism between the science of psychotherapy and its practice. And people will continue, as practitioners, to try to sell a point of view that is needed and will be valued, but which society will not ultimately support because society has a price tag attached to everything. And what the price tag is going to say is that you have to be able to prove what you do, and you have to be able to replicate it. That means we're going to have to move increasingly towards a broad view of science. Though I don't know, frankly. Back in 1970, George Albee, then president of APA, was asked to write an article on the future of psychotherapy. And I believe completely what he wrote, which was four blank pages. It has yet to be written.

I believe there will always be a place for people who can listen and who can provide, through whatever means they can, the experience of help to other people. There will always be a place for that. I don't think that we will continue to support it through health care indefinitely, because we will have to accept the fact that it is not health care–it is life care. Society is forcing us into that in part by credentialing all these other quasi-therapists–you know, life coaches, etc.–that have taken away the things that we used to call psychotherapy, and now they use them under a different label. And it tells us something: that our view has been too narrow. Within the narrow view that we use–psychotherapy to treat psychopathology–we're going to have all kinds of medical, biological, chemical treatments to do away with symptoms. What we won't be able to do is change a lot, through this chemical interjection, some of the basic angst that people experience in not being connected to other people, not being heard, not feeling relevant. Having another person, someone who is be trained to do something that is helpful and optimal, who will listen and care for them, is going to continue to be very important.
HT: Thank you so much, Larry. Thank you for your time and wisdom.
LB: Well, I don't know how wise it is, but you got it.
HT: Thank you.

The Gift of Therapy

The Gift of Therapy has 85 short chapters, each offering a suggestion or tip for therapy. The first three chapters are reproduced here.

Remove the Obstacles to Growth

When I was finding my way as a young psychotherapy student, the most useful book I read was Karen Horney's Neurosis and Human Growth. And the single most useful concept in that book was the notion that the human being has an inbuilt propensity toward self-realization. If obstacles are removed, Horney believed, the individual will develop into a mature, fully realized adult, just as an acorn will develop into an oak tree.

"Just as an acorn develops into an oak." What a wonderfully liberating and clarifying image! It forever changed my approach to psychotherapy by offering me a new vision of my work: My task was to remove obstacles blocking my patient's path. I did not have to do the entire job; I did not have to inspirit the patient with the desire to grow, with curiosity, will, zest for life, caring, loyalty, or any of the myriad of characteristics that make us fully human. No, what I had to do was to identify and remove obstacles. The rest would follow automatically, fueled by the self-actualizing forces within the patient.

I remember a young widow with, as she put it, a "failed heart"—an inability ever to love again. It felt daunting to address the inability to love. I didn't know how to do that. But dedicating myself to identifying and uprooting her many blocks to loving? I could do that.

I soon learned that love felt treasonous to her. To love another was to betray her dead husband; it felt to her like pounding the final nails in her husband's coffin. To love another as deeply as she did her husband (and she would settle for nothing less) meant that her love for her husband had been in some way insufficient or flawed. To love another would be self-destructive because loss, and the searing pain of loss, was inevitable. To love again felt irresponsible: she was evil and jinxed, and her kiss was the kiss of death.

We worked hard for many months to identify all these obstacles to her loving another man. For months we wrestled with each irrational obstacle in turn. But once that was done, the patient's internal processes took over: she met a man, she fell in love, she married again. I didn't have to teach her to search, to give, to cherish, to love. I wouldn't have known how to do that.

Avoid Diagnosis (except for insurance companies)

Today's psychotherapy students are exposed to too much emphasis on diagnosis. Managed care administrators demand that therapists arrive quickly at a precise diagnosis and then proceed upon a course of brief, focused therapy that matches that particular diagnosis. Sounds good. Sounds logical and efficient. But it has precious little to do with reality. It represents instead an illusory attempt to legislate scientific precision into being when it is neither possible nor desirable.

Though diagnosis is unquestionably critical in treatment considerations for many severe conditions with a biological substrate (for example schizophrenia, bipolar disorders, major affective disorders, temporal lobe epilepsy, drug toxicity, organic or brain disease from toxins, degenerative causes or infectious agents) diagnosis is often counterproductive in the everyday psychotherapy of less severely impaired patients.

Why? For one thing, psychotherapy consists of a gradually unfolding process wherein the therapist attempts to know the patient as fully as possible. A diagnosis limits vision, it diminishes ability to relate to the other as a person. Once we make a diagnosis, we tend to selectively inattend to aspects of the patient which do not fit into that particular diagnosis, and we correspondingly over-attend to subtle features which appear to confirm an initial diagnosis. What's more, a diagnosis may act as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Relating to a patient as a "borderline" or a "hysteric" may serve to stimulate and perpetuate those very traits. Indeed, there is a long history of iatrogenic influence on the shape of clinical entities, including the current controversy about multiple personality disorder and repressed memories of sexual abuse. And keep in mind, too, the low reliability of the DSM personality disorders category (the very patients often engaging in longer-term psychotherapy.)

And what therapist has not been struck by how much easier it is to make a DSM-IV diagnosis following the first interview than much later, let us say, after the tenth session, when we know a great deal more about the individual? Is this not a strange kind of science? A colleague of mine brings this point home to his psychiatric residents by asking: "If you were in personal psychotherapy or are considering it, what DSM-IV diagnosis do you think your therapist could justifiably use to describe someone as complicated as you?" (C. P. Rosenbaum, personal communication, Nov. 2000)

In the therapeutic enterprise we must tread a fine line between some, but not too much, objectivity; if we take the DSM diagnostic system too seriously, if we really believe we are truly carving at the joints of nature, then we may threaten the human, the spontaneous, the creative and uncertain nature of the therapeutic venture. Remember that the clinicians involved in formulating previous, now discarded, diagnostic systems were competent, proud, and just as confident as the current members of DSM committees. Undoubtedly the time will come when the DSM-IV Chinese restaurant menu format will appear ludicrous to mental health professionals.

Therapist and Patient as "Fellow Travelers"

Andrè Malraux, the French novelist, described a country priest who had taken confession for many decades and summed up what he had learned about human nature in this manner: "First of all, people are much more unhappy than one thinks…and there is no such thing as a grown-up person." Everyone—and that includes therapists as well as patients—is destined to experience not only the exhilaration of life, but also its inevitable darkness: disillusionment, aging, illness, isolation, loss, meaninglessness, painful choices, and death.

No one put things more starkly and more bleakly than the German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer:

In early youth, as we contemplate our coming life, we are like children in a theater before the curtain is raised, sitting there in high spirits and eagerly waiting for the play to begin. It is a blessing that we do not know what is really going to happen. Could we foresee it, there are times when children might seem like condemned prisoners, condemned, not to death, but to life, and as yet all unconscious of what their sentence means.

Or again:

We are like lambs in the field, disporting themselves under the eyes of the butcher, who picks out one first and then another for his prey. So it is that in our good days we are all unconscious of the evil that Fate may have presently in store for us — sickness, poverty, mutilation, loss of sight or reason.

Though Schopenhauer's view is colored heavily by his own personal unhappiness, still it is difficult to deny the inbuilt despair in the life of every self-conscious individual. My wife and I have sometimes amused ourselves by planning imaginary dinner parties for groups of people sharing similar propensities—for example, a party for monopolists, or flaming narcissists, or artful passive-aggressives we have known or, conversely, a "happy" party to which we invite only the truly happy people we have encountered. Though we've encountered no problems filling all sorts of other whimsical tables, we've never been able to populate a full table for our "happy people" party. Each time we identify a few characterologically cheerful people and place them on a waiting list while we continue our search to complete the table, we find that one or another of our happy guests is eventually stricken by some major life adversity—often a severe illness or that of a child or spouse.

This tragic but realistic view of life has long influenced my relationship to those who seek my help. Though there are many phrases for the therapeutic relationship (patient/therapist, client/counselor, analysand/analyst, client/facilitator, and the latest—and, by far, the most repulsive—user/provider), none of these phrases accurately convey my sense of the therapeutic relationship. Instead I prefer to think of my patients and myself as fellow travelers, a term that abolishes distinctions between "them" (the afflicted) and "us" (the healers). During my training I was often exposed to the idea of the fully analyzed therapist, but as I have progressed through life, formed intimate relationships with a good many of my therapist colleagues, met the senior figures in the field, been called upon to render help to my former therapists and teachers, and myself become a teacher and an elder, I have come to realize the mythic nature of this idea. We are all in this together and there is no therapist and no person immune to the inherent tragedies of existence.

One of my favorite tales of healing, found in Hermann Hesse's Magister Ludi, involves Joseph and Dion, two renowned healers, who lived in biblical times. Though both were highly effective, they worked in different ways. The younger healer, Joseph, healed through quiet, inspired listening. Pilgrims trusted Joseph. Suffering and anxiety poured into his ears vanished like water on the desert sand and penitents left his presence emptied and calmed. On the other hand, Dion, the older healer, actively confronted those who sought his help. He divined their unconfessed sins. He was a great judge, chastiser, scolder, and rectifier, and he healed through active intervention. Treating the penitents as children, he gave advice, punished by assigning penance, ordered pilgrimages and marriages, and compelled enemies to make up.

The two healers never met, and they worked as rivals for many years until Joseph grew spiritually ill, fell into dark despair, and was assailed with ideas of self-destruction. Unable to heal himself with his own therapeutic methods, he set out on a journey to the south to seek help from Dion.

On his pilgrimage, Joseph rested one evening at an oasis, where he fell into a conversation with an older traveler. When Joseph described the purpose and destination of his pilgrimage, the traveler offered himself as a guide to assist in the search for Dion. Later, in the midst of their long journey together the old traveler revealed his identity to Joseph. Mirabile dictu: he himself was Dion—the very man Joseph sought.

Without hesitation Dion invited his younger, despairing rival into his home, where they lived and worked together for many years. Dion first asked Joseph to be a servant. Later he elevated him to a student and, finally, to full colleagueship. Years later, Dion fell ill and on his deathbed called his young colleague to him in order to hear a confession. He spoke of Joseph's earlier terrible illness and his journey to old Dion to plead for help. He spoke of how Joseph had felt it was a miracle that his fellow traveler and guide turned out to be Dion himself.

Now that he was dying, the hour had come, Dion told Joseph, to break his silence about that miracle. Dion confessed that at the time it had seemed a miracle to him as well, for he, too, had fallen into despair. He, too, felt empty and spiritually dead and, unable to help himself, had set off on a journey to seek help. On the very night that they had met at the oasis he was on a pilgrimage to a famous healer named Joseph.

Hesse's tale has always moved me in a preternatural way. It strikes me as a deeply illuminating statement about giving and receiving help, about honesty and duplicity, and about the relationship between healer and patient. The two men received powerful help but in very different ways. The younger healer was nurtured, nursed, taught, mentored, and parented. The older healer, on the other hand, was helped through serving another, through obtaining a disciple from whom he received filial love, respect, and salve for his isolation.

But now, reconsidering the story, I question whether these two wounded healers could not have been of even more service to one another. Perhaps they missed the opportunity for something deeper, more authentic, more powerfully mutative. Perhaps the real therapy occurred at the deathbed scene, when they moved into honesty with the revelation that they were fellow travelers, both simply human, all too human. The twenty years of secrecy, helpful as they were, may have obstructed and prevented a more profound kind of help. What might have happened if Dion's deathbed confession had occurred twenty years earlier, if healer and seeker had joined together in facing the questions that have no answers?

All of this echoes Rilke's letters to a young poet in which he advises, "Have patience with everything unresolved and try to love the questions themselves." I would add: "Try to love the questioners as well."

When the Therapist Leaves: A Personal Account of an Unusual Termination

Often when we present a case, we present only the best of ourselves, or only those aspects that we feel confident will not be questioned. And sometimes we hide in the theoretical aspects of a case, rather than exposing ourselves more. I have always found our work to be more engaging, richer and more useful when we share not only the content of our cases, but what goes on inside ourselves. And so I have tried to be very open and honest about my own process, rather than hiding it, and hope that the material will generate valuable thought and reflection.

Several years ago, after years of building a psychotherapy practice on the West Coast, I closed my practice and moved to the East Coast. It was a very hard decision, one I made in support of my husband rather than one I initiated. Sometimes, I call that period my practice interruptus, a feeble joke, but it does hold some of the sense of what happened between my client, Louise1, and myself—an act of communion between two people, which is all too hastily cut off. Our therapy had been unusually intense and uniquely rewarding; it had tested my clinical skills and pushed me beyond what anyone had prepared me for in graduate school or in my post-graduate training. The process of our termination would prove to be just as challenging, as Louise would soon make three very extraordinary requests.

Anticipating the move

Before telling of the unexpected turns our therapeutic relationship took, I want to give some context to our work by outlining my own mixed reactions to my impending move even as my clients flailed about with their own reactions.

I was devastated. I was terrified of moving, of moving back to the East Coast, and being close to my childhood terrain. I was terrified of coming into the orbit of the depression I had grown up around, of drowning in it again. “I was scared at the idea of new beginnings, of losing my friends and my work, of having to start over; of losing my center, my ground.” I had trained for 10 years in the Bay Area with Jim Bugental, an existential-humanistic psychotherapist, and colleague of Rollo May and Irvin Yalom, and I had developed a broad referral base and a close-knit therapeutic community. My friends were almost all either therapists or involved in some sort of spiritual work. I was terrified of not being able to speak the language we shared with anyone on the East Coast.

Some part of me was also excited. I relished the idea of putting away my practice for a period of time, of not having to carry so many psyches with me day out and day in. The previous few years had been emotionally exhausting as I tried to balance the needs of a family, clients, and a mother with Alzheimer's. As I began to think about not working for a while, the sense of daily obligation began to feel heaver and heavier, the constant checking of phone messages, the hours of reflection and consultation, the concerns for my clients. I began to feel them like sucking entities, forever tied to my breast, weighing me down, eating me alive. Sometimes I didn't think I could last through the next few months. Then I would shift and feel my equally real concern for them, how tied I was to their lives, how much I learned from and valued their bravery and their struggles, how much I stabilized myself by learning to stay stable with them, and how much my life was enriched by my work.

I began to anticipate the loss of not knowing how my clients were, what they were doing, how they were struggling. I would feel the loss of connection deeply. I had seen most of my clients for several years. Some of them left for a while, and then returned. Some of course, I never really made contact with, or our relationship floundered early on and ended. But it was the long deep relationships that I both cherished and felt burdened by. I was often scared to tell them, not wanting to add pain or disappointment to their already difficult lives, and not wanting to field their reactions and add pain and disappointment to mine. I had only three months between the time of the decision and the move, three short months to process what should have come as a mutual and gradual decision and instead had come so abruptly.

I struggled to understand the best ways to handle these endings. I sought additional consultation, talked about it in my peer group, read what I could find. Most of the research material that I located focused on how to deal effectively with normal termination issues in the clinical hour: how to handle client anger or denial, the difference in termination of brief and long-term therapy, and the need for supervision. These terminations were all instigated by the client, planned for, prepared for. Very little focused on premature termination, except in the context of a year-long training rotation, and premature termination was what I had initiated with my clients. There was even less material on countertransference issues and the therapist's own reaction to termination, particularly, again, when the therapist initiated the termination and the therapy was not finished.

“I had expected to experience tremendous sadness myself, but I was struck by how often my grief was tinged with a sudden sense of relief, and toned with a measure of numbness.” My reactions were more complicated and confusing than I expected, and I had to monitor myself constantly. The most consistently challenging part lay in addressing both the reality of the nature of the relationship, the roles of therapist and client, and the more interpersonal aspect or mutuality of the situation. I wanted to acknowledge the real losses that we both faced while watching for what the client needed. This premature termination seemed to require more self-disclosure than I had anticipated, and I had to be watchful to contain my personal material so that any self-disclosure was always in the service of the client. Not any different than at any other point in the therapy, obviously . . . yet now the drama that was being played out and the intensity of the transference and countertransference made the entire process thrilling, exhausting, and overwhelming.

She watched herself watching me

I needed to terminate my work with Louise O, but it was not as simple as what the readings and consultations on termination suggested. Six years previously I had begun work with Louise. She was referred to me by a colleague who lived in a small town about 40 minutes away and it was clear she wanted to see someone who was not connected to her community. The safety I afforded was worth the inconvenience of the commute.

Louise was 32 and a single parent of an eight-year-old boy. She was well educated and worked at a demanding job. She initially came in because of feelings that had arisen as a result of her parents' recent separation and conversations with her father. She wasn't sure if she wanted to open up what might be a bottomless pit of feelings, but she wondered if there could be more pleasure in her life than just work. She spoke flatly and quite matter-of-factly about her life, about being a good teacher, and good at taking care of others and how she had no one bigger to lean on. Someone whom she had considered a friend had just turned on her after she had confided in her. I have to do it all myself, she said, and I am tired.

The second session she arrived with a very small puppy with a broken leg. She looked at me and with dry irony said, "Hmm, seems appropriate, don't you think?" There were hints of what was to come in these first hours together. “She was scared to look at me. Her eyes roamed the room, trying to familiarize herself with the details, trying to get comfortable. She watched herself watching me.” It was hard for her to self-initiate, and there was much silence.

A few months into our sessions, our work took a sharp turn. I had seen hints of her terror, but now we had built enough safety and trust in the room that she could fall headlong into it. Louise began every session the same way. She would spend several minutes looking silently around the room. Often within a few minutes, she had curled into a ball in the corner of the sofa, hiding her head. When the terror was most extreme, she hid altogether, pulling the cushions or the blanket over her. Sometimes, I would trigger it, by asking a question. Sometimes, it came with no obvious trigger. She would walk into the room, take off her shoes, and without a word collapse into the pillows.

I tried different strategies. Nothing could pull her out of it and I could coax no words. I was scared, impatient, angry, confused. “I began to dread our sessions. Was I being manipulated? What did she want from me? What was she re-enacting?”

I was a young intern when I began seeing Louise, just out of grad school. Fifty minutes of silence like this was difficult, and nothing in my training thus far had prepared me for what I came to realize was an unimpeded regression. My anxiety was enormous. What concerned me first was that my own discomfort as I sat in the room with her could become so great that I wanted to crawl out of my skin, or refer her out. Was I feeling some of what she felt inside, I wondered. How could I find my way through this unless I could tolerate it myself?

Tolerating my fears, entering hers

So what I began to do was to work first with my own anxiety. I would ground myself, imaging my body as a pyramid with a wide and stable base, dropping my attention into my belly. It was a kind of meditation, dropping the thoughts and simply working with the sensations in my body, until what felt unbearable softened and melted into a spacious quiet. I would gather my attention in the hara, or belly point (in Chinese and Japanese traditions, the hara is considered the seat of one's spiritual energy and the vital center of the self) and as I relaxed I could tolerate my fear and anxiety and enter into hers.

“I had to completely enter her internal world while staying firmly rooted in mine. It was the hardest work I had ever done.” I was reading some of Winnicott's papers to help me with this case and I came across Margaret Little's book, Psychotic Anxieties and Containment: A Personal Record of an Analysis With Winnicott, which is an account of her own analysis with Winnicott. She had herself worked through what she termed a psychotic regression, while still functioning as an analyst. I was struck upon reading her description of the work of sitting with a patient in this state: The analyst has to be able to give up his defenses against the same anxiety, the dread of annihilation, of loss of identity, both for himself and for his patient. At the same time his own identity must remain distinct and his reality sense unimpaired, keeping awareness on two extreme levels. He is in the position of a mother vis-a-vis her infant, but where neither he nor his patient is in fact in that situation. This calls for the same qualities as those of a good-enough mother: empathy with the infant on his level, and an ability to see him as a separate person. Not relying on his "professional" attitude to accept a direct relationship with him as distinct from the mirror image; psychically to merge with him, accepting the delusion of oneness with him; to tolerate his hate without retaliating when the original traumata are relived and to stand his own feelings when they are aroused.2

It was a confirming experience to read her work. It gave me courage and it expanded my understanding of the nature of the beast.

I began to imagine what her experience was and to try to articulate it for her, the one with no words. I was at sea here, moving into my own uncharted waters. My words did not come from my intellect but from some deeper place within, the same place from which I focused inwardly and from which I stabilized my attention. It is hard to describe . . . a type of merger state, which I could only sustain by deep relaxation and steady attention. I spoke very simply, as if to a child, making the implicit explicit. I put words to her black hole of experience: "You are frightened, your terror is so big, and you are so tiny." Sometimes I would try to describe her feeling in more detail, the sense of falling in space, of not being able to find her body, and to feel that even to move an inch or blink her eyes might result in complete annihilation: “"This experience is very old—it goes way back before you could talk, before you could put sense or words onto feeling."” Sometimes she looked at me blankly, and sometimes the glimmer of understanding would cross her face. As Margaret Little aptly puts it:

Such things arise from anxieties earlier than those of psychoneurosis; they concern survival and identity (Freud 1917), and for those who suffer from them the sound of words spoken may be important but not their meaning, so that verbal interpretation is of little use and other means of dealing with the anxiety need be found.3

I did not try to interpret with my words, but to translate. If my articulation matched her wordless experience, she might slowly raise her eyes, and look at me with terror and a just a whisper of trust. If I was inaccurate, she would shrink further into the sofa. If she was able to speak at all, they were simple phrases, a child's image of a bad thing, a bad thing waiting to grab her, to hurt her, but she could only whisper so softly that I could not hear her in my chair. She could not dare to speak up for fear that the bad thing would get her. I struggled fruitlessly to catch the phrases and so ultimately I began to sit beside her so I could hear her tiny words. “Sometimes I asked her to try to make contact with me through the terror, so she could begin to keep one foot in each reality, even if at first it was not a foot but maybe just a little toe.”

Holding Louise . . . the metaphorical and the literal

She could not make contact unless I initiated first. I would have to articulate some portion of her experience before she would chance a look at me. Sometimes I would ask, "Can you peek out?" Eventually she used her gaze to indicate a particular need, looking at my fingers and then away, sneaking a quick glance at my face for a clue if I had understood her desire for my finger, this link to another reality; at times she was unable to see through her internal darkness to even know where my finger was. We might sit through half a session with our little fingers interlocked. Margaret Little comments on this aspect of literal holding:

I feel it is appropriate to speak of the two things about which there has been the most misunderstanding—holding and regression to dependence. Winnicott used the word holding both metaphorically and literally. Metaphorically he was holding the situation, giving support, keeping contact in every level with whatever was going on, in and around the patient and in the relationship to him. Literally, through the long hours he held my two hands clasped between his, almost like an umbilical cord, while I lay, often hidden beneath the blanket, silent, inert, withdrawn, in panic, rage, or tears, asleep, and sometimes dreaming. . . . "Holding" of which "management" was always a part meant taking full responsibility, supplying whatever ego strength a patient could not find in himself, and withdrawing it gradually as the patient could take over his own. In other words, providing the "facilitating environment" where it was safe to be.4

I hardly fashion myself a Winnicott with his remarkable insight and skill, but breaking the boundary of no physical contact seemed not only appropriate, it seemed essential. To leave her alone in there would have been monstrous, and a replication of her original trauma. It was not a step I took lightly, however, and the responsibility of it weighed on me. Indeed, I also made use of consultation and supervision which I sought throughout this case.

There were of course other factors that made this work frightening. Louise had cut and burned herself for several years. At home, when her terror overwhelmed her, she would hide in her bed under the covers or lie for hours in the bath. She frequently felt suicidal. I worried for her son, though Louise was a responsible parent and careful to protect him from these patches of madness. Louise's job gave her summers off, and so summers were our most intense months, as Louise could devote more time to her healing. She kept a journal and wrote poetry. When the terror began to have form and she could not yet name it, I gave her paper and color and she drew the images. She wrote me letters on the days we did not meet, alternating between the voice of the exhausted Ms. O, that part of her that was capable of work and that drove to my office twice a week, and the voice of the child.

I read her children's story books as she lay curled on the sofa next to me. We called this fragile creature "the little one," in contrast to Ms. O who was so competent and so completely numb. It was like lifting veils of reality, so tenuous, so palpable.
“I held her hands in my lap at the end of each session for several years, talking to the little one who lay mute and terrified, wanting to be seen but terrified of the exposure.” She told me in our final weeks that more than anything else, it had been my willingness to hold the little one that had given her a tenuous thread to life.

Many years later, the day I told Louise that I was moving, I shook before I saw her. I was terrified. I was afraid of her fear, of going back to those sessions in the first few years when I had sat with her in silence. That would be the best, the silence. I was more afraid of what the worst might be. She had made tremendous progress in the last year, choosing life, she said, for the first time. "There are birds outside my windows singing," she said in that droll way of hers, "and birds are a good thing." Her episodes of regression were less frequent, though she could still be catapulted back into them, and it became easier to move in and out of them. She still wanted her hand-holding at the end of each session, though by now it had became a few minutes rather than half the session.

But as life would have it, her own situation that spring was very difficult. There were power plays in the administration at work, and her relationship was ending. She came in several weeks in a row in that completely retracted state, mute and unresponsive, and I knew from experience that I could not thaw her or draw her out any more quickly than she wanted. Pushing her in such a state previously had had consequences that had taken us weeks to unravel. So I had to postpone telling her my news for several weeks. This only heightened my own anxiety. Was I postponing telling her because I was afraid, or because it was too much for her to take at that moment? Each week I was torn between my fear of her overwhelm, the reality of her overwhelm, and my fear of shortchanging our time to process the termination.

Telling Louise

When I felt she was stable enough, I told her I had something difficult to tell her, and that I had had to make a very hard decision about my life that impacted her. I could feel her terror rising with my opening words. Before she even knew the content, she had pulled deep inside herself to receive it. Her eyes had lowered: she shrank into the sofa. From many years of being with her this way, I knew that as dissociated as she was, she could still hear my words. She could not respond in the moment, but she could listen. My voice was still the thread that tied us together.

So I talked. I told her that I would be moving and that I would be closing my practice. I told her why, and that I had not anticipated this when we began our work together. I spoke of the unexpected, the promise I had made to her so long ago that, barring the unforeseen, I would stay with her as long as she wanted me to; and now the unforeseen had come to pass.

I talked about the tie that we had, that had brought us this far. I brought up what was different now than when she had first come to see me. But mostly I talked about what I imagined she was experiencing, and tried to breathe through my own desperate fear that this would decimate her, that I would lose her, that she would begin cutting again, threaten suicide, and succeed. “I sat quietly with her in my silences, anchoring myself for both of us. She was shaking under her cushion cave, eyes like stone.” As the hour came to a close, Louise was still silent. I reminded her that we still had many weeks to deal with this. I stood up and went to the door. She picked up her bag without looking at me and moved heavily out of the room.

An extraordinary final request

Louise returned three days later, sat on the sofa, looked at me and said, "”I want three things, and I don't want you to say anything until I'm done. You know this is devastating for me.” We have always met in this room and I am not sure that you exist outside of this room. The only way that it will be okay for me to have you to leave is if I can know that you exist in the rest of the world as well. If I know that you are out there in the world, then you can still be with me in some way. I will have seen you out there, so that when I walk in the hills or come here, I can remember you in that surrounding and remember us together out there, and know that you still exist." She paused, gazed at me for a second then continued. "So I want to take a walk with you outside of this office. You can decide where; that really doesn't matter. Second, I want you to come to my house and see my room and my garden, and third, I want to see your garden."

“She had completely taken control of the session, and taken me by surprise.” I never had a client ask anything like this, nor would I anticipate anything like it again. What she was asking was further boundary-breaking and I needed to think it through. We spent the hour exploring her requests, and I told her I needed to think it through myself.

My gut response was to do it, but my intellect balked. I was afraid here, the same fear as when I was holding her. Was I doing more harm than good? Was I destroying the integrity of the container we had created? Was I gratifying her unnecessarily instead of working through her resistance to losing me? I talked about it in consultation, and in my own therapy.

From our conversations, I knew that she was not trying to change the nature of our relationship, or to turn me into a friend. She was trying to let go of me as her therapist, but internalize me at the same time. The natural process had been shortchanged, and she was, I think quite creatively, trying to effect what would have normally taken more years. The walk would bring us out into the real world, the place she had the most difficulty traversing. Walking was also a way she stabilized herself, even on the worst of days.

The second request was to see her garden. Our gardens were symbolic energies for both of us. Over the years she had described to me her garden's progress from a soil-less, rocky and barren lot. It was a pretty good metaphor, yes? Many of her colleagues had given her seedlings and cuttings, and several years before she had wanted cuttings from my garden as well. We had talked about what that meant to her, about alchemy, the magic and transformation of soil and plants and water, and the alchemy of what we were doing together in our little room, the internal garden. The symbolic and the real, the metaphors that made the future a viable possibility rather than an unbearable sentence. The mystery of the bulb that lies dormant all winter, hidden and unseen, no way to verify its existence except through faith, and then the magic of its growth and beauty each spring. It had been important to have some of the same plants that I had in my garden, the same flowers I had brought into my office every week, and important that I had been willing to share them with her.

For me to see her garden now, I knew, would be a verification of all she had gained. It was also, she said, a chance for her to show me what was calm and normal and settled in her, rather than the dissociated and broken self she most often brought to the office. And when she sat in her garden, she said, she would remember me there, too.

What she wanted from seeing my garden encompassed her first two requests. She could see me in my real world without impinging into my privacy. She did not want to see my house, which would be too real and scary. It was my garden, my creation, that held my essence for her. It was the third leg of the tripod.

The next session Louise asked me what I had decided. I told her that I thought it was a good plan and reiterated that we needed to keep talking more about each aspect as the time got closer. Again, I expressed my concern about not being finished. “She cut me off quickly and impatiently, as she did when she felt I was stating the too-obvious. "I know we aren't finished and that I have to find someone else," she professed boldly.” "I already called the woman whose workshop I went to last year and I have an appointment tomorrow to meet with her, but she isn't sure that she will have room for me in her schedule. If you will give the names of some therapists you think I could work with, that would be good, too. I know that I can't replace YOU and I also know that I am not ready to do this on my own. So I have to find someone who somehow I can continue with, and I want to have all of it, or as much as I can, in place before you leave."

It was astonishing to see the shift in her in a few days' time. Was this a resistance, a flight into health? It was what we called the Ms. O face of Louise: capable, high functioning, and often quite wise, but as cut-off from her true self as the little one. Ms. O could usually rally when needed and state her truth in a flat and practical way, but without much affect. I wondered if I should tag the resistance. Yes, she was finding a way to protect and minimize her loss, but she was also honoring our work by acknowledging her need to continue, by immediately looking for a something, without having to denigrate me in any way. She knew the depth of her grief, and knew that she could only let it trickle through or she would decompensate.

When we discussed her feelings over the next few weeks, she expressed sadness, disappointment, envy, fear, and numbness, but not anger. Anger she had shown me before when I truly misunderstood something important, or tried to impose my will on hers, as when I had strongly pushed her to be evaluated for medication when her escalating cutting and burning had been most frightening for me and most physically perilous for her. Yet anger at my leaving was too dangerous and too threatening for her to consider directly. Although I was quite sure that she did, indeed, feel anger towards me, I was also quite sure it was currently inaccessible, and I chose not to pursue it. It would be up to Louise and her new therapist to address such feelings down the road if and when it made sense to do so. On a more practical level, it did seem that Louise was constructively making use of her anger and intense feelings by taking action, suggesting plans about our endings, and taking active steps to find another therapist.

I was actually quite impressed by how she had taken charge of the situation. Yes, she relieved me of some of my burden, and I was wary of this. I was sometimes afraid she was taking care of me, protecting me from her terror and her anger, and from some of my own. Because of the strong psychic bond that we had, she, of all my clients, perceived the intense fear and ambivalence I had about my move. She asked me many direct questions about my decision and my feelings. I acknowledged my fears about the move, but presented them as something that I had to struggle with, as the challenge that they were (and still are), as the call into the unknown.

Louise was taking a sabbatical year, with the hope of not returning to her work at the end of it. It was a year we had both looked forward to, as a time of great healing and renewal for her, and I had drastically changed the look of that year. What I tried to do, without minimizing the extent of her loss, was to equalize to some degree the challenge we both faced with the unknown beckoning, so that I could model a way of standing next to, if not embracing, that which we feared. Louise had often said that she felt I was the first face she had imprinted on, and that she sometimes watched me to see what it was that humans did or were supposed to do, just the way a baby bird will imprint on its mother, surrogate or real. So I walked carefully between my self-disclosure and deflecting her questions back to her.

I wish there were some way to know if we did it right or not. One clue helped calm some of my fears. Louise came to see me soon after her meeting with her new potential therapist. The night before she had a dream. She was in the new therapist's office and there were two closets on opposite sides of the same wall, covered by lovely iridescent lavender satin scrims. Though she couldn't see inside them, she knew that the closets were huge and connected inside, so that in reality it was one large closet. And just in the doorway of one side of the closet, she could see a large ball of thread sitting on the floor . . .

“When I asked her to tell me more about the dream, she looked at me as if I was completely dense and stupid.”

When I asked her to tell me more about the dream, she looked at me as if I was completely dense and stupid. Louise taught using story and myth and she knew the story of Ariadne and the thread that she had given to Theseus to escape the labyrinth. She did not want to talk more about the dream, and there are of course many ways to understand and explore it. Most important was that it had profound meaning for her; it was her thread out of the labyrinth, and that there was no separation behind the lavender scrim, between any of the many dualities that we might consider. It was the end of our session, and we left it at that.

Entering the garden

During our last session, we met at my office, and she drove me to my house a few blocks away. We avoided the house and entered the garden gate, and she walked through the garden, noting the plants. I briefly told her the story of my garden's growth, from an empty plot of weeds to the lush Mediterranean retreat it was now. She recognized some of the irises that I had divided and given her. We didn't talk much. She soaked the garden in and after 10 minutes or so, she nodded she was ready to leave. We drove next to the marina. “We walked the trail that edges the water. We were not friends, not companions, but we were comrades. We had fought together.”

I was not comfortable. Many voices chattered in my head, many questions, many doubts. Again we did not talk much, but continued to walk along the path. There was no pretense of friendship. We were still therapist and client. A parafoil-propelled cart raced by on the path and we laughed in astonishment. We had no script for any of this.

The following Saturday I drove 40 minutes to her house. She made me coffee and took me through her garden. It was wilder than mine, with tall grasses and tumbling masses of hardy perennials, with rock-lined paths and a mosaic bird bath. I could imagine the slow transformation from scrabble soil and a weedy lot to this most imaginative garden spot. We meandered our way through her backyard, periodically stopping to listen to the birds. I was hyper-aware, as I had been in my garden and on our walk, of every second ticking away. She pointed out the plants I had given her, and showed me others that had been given by friends or started from seed. A mockingbird flicked its tail as it rested on the branch of a tree and a hummingbird swooped past on its way to feed at a scarlet Mexican sage. As I stood with her I realized that I had never listened so intently to the sound of buzzing bees.

We re-entered the house and she took me into her room. Part bedroom, part study, part cocoon, her room was draped with dyed swaths of silk scarves, the walls hung with her artwork, overflowing bookshelves. She had created a true retreat, a nest of safety, filled with color and form and whimsy. Look, she said and pointed behind me. I turned to see what she was pointing to: a statue. In my office, I have always had a small statue of Kwan Yin, a representation of the Chinese goddess of compassion. There on the floor next to her bed was a larger version of the same statue. "The parents of my students got together and gave her to me," she said. "And they didn't know anything about the one in your office." Her eyes were wide as she said, "They gave you to me."

As I left her house and walked to my car, I was struck by how in fact I was doing the final leaving, not her. The enormousness of our ending hung on me in the way that time seems to stop for a moment. My own mother had died that winter and I had been blessed with the grace and good fortune to be with her as she took her last breath. As I left Louise's house, I had the same sense of leaving the hospital after my mother's death: grief, gratitude, and an appreciation of the infinite mystery of life.

The client's side: Louise responds

Prior to publishing this article, I sent it to Louise, asking for her permission to tell the story of our work together. It has been eight years since we had our last session in the garden. This is Louise's response, which she also gave permission to publish here:

I've read your paper through twice now and have many thoughts. Yesterday, after the first time I read it through, my first response was one or two tears. Very basically, I was sad I had caused you pain (anger). And then I woke up in the night and asked myself all-important questions: What else were those tears about? They were definitely the little one's tears. She still exists, of course, tucked in very safe within myself. And then, also, I began to go through the times you talk about and ask, "How did that coin look from my side?" “I remember why I started therapy, the absolute clarity that I was not willing to live without feeling.” That the feelings were there somewhere and must be gotten to if I was going to be alive.

I also know that I had a picture of what therapy would be like that was not in any way what happened. What I expected was something involving talking . . . out loud. You would ask I would answer. The work would go somewhere. All would be revealed. All would be healed. Uh-huh. And at the same time, yep, that's true.

When I teach adults I often work through with them pictures of the twelve senses. The first of the senses is touch. "Touch" is not tactile. It is a sense located in the organ of the skin, an awareness of the skin as a boundary, a boundary that gives you certainty that you exist and are an entity, something real. The place your spirit can exist on the earth. "Touch" is what allows you to take in and perceive the world and form memories. Memories that you can access and name. Without a sense of touch a soul has no boundary, no container. Memories have no place to live and the feelings cannot coalesce into something cognizant and meaningful. They are just pure emotion swirling around, nameless, overwhelming, annihilating.

“To live without a functioning sense of touch is to live in constant fear. Fear of imminent annihilation, fear you are not real. I know about this. You know about this.” I know about this. You know about this. This is where I used to go. There were lots of feelings. Huge feelings. None of them nameable. None of them in context. All of them outside of me, surrounding me, bigger than me. If I could describe it at all it would be a feeling of all encompassing destruction by terror. Blown apart by terror.

I wanted to talk to you about my feelings. I assumed it would be in words an ear could hear. What happened was as soon as I began to access the feelings they were so big and so unnameable and so much outside of me that to even try to move around in them would have shattered me. Or at least that's how I felt. I had to freeze in them to make it through them. You know this.

The immobile silence I fell into in your office was the only way I could describe how I felt. I had no names and so could find no words, but! That silence, that frozenness, is still the most eloquent communication I have ever had with anyone about my experience. I never doubted you heard me. I have never been able to say it so clearly to anyone else. It was the language of gesture, but it was language. I would make it to your office, kick off my shoes and fall into that place because after a week of being emotionally silent I needed to talk. It felt like talk. It felt like rivers of words. Words in the normal sense had no connection to feeling for me. I did not have names for them, for the feelings, and so they did not exist. They were not a means to communicate.

What you did was give me names. Each time you named a feeling for me it became a letter, something that could be worked into words, written inside, where I could at least make some jumbled start at sorting things out, forming a narrative. Holding it and not being overwhelmed by it. You gave me a vocabulary. You taught me "fear," "sad," "angry."

In what you wrote about that time, where is the part where you acknowledge what you did? You speak of feeling frustrated, fearful, angry. The reason for the little one's tears. But then when I think on it, I think about your face, and the being of you that you brought to therapy, and I cannot find a scrap of frustrated, fearful, angry in it. I don't mean you did not feel those things. But I can smell those things coming for miles away. I can hear them in the tones of someone's voice. If you had brought them with you the little one would have seen that coming a long way off. And you would not have known her. My point is that “while your intellect may have been sifting through lint, your heart was always as smart as they come.” You might say, "Ah yes, but I needed to project such perfection on you." Maybe.

Maybe not. When you were not perfect, I believe I mentioned it. You did not need to be perfect. You loved me. You saw me. You trusted your heart and so you saved me, because you gave me the vocabulary to begin to make for myself a skin. A container. A place I could live and do live. That simple. Whatever you felt outside the room, however much you might have doubted yourself, the greatest part of what you did bring was strong and true. If it was not so, the little one would have known it. I would have known it. And I trust my instinct.

And then about the leaving. We worked together for six years. It's been eight years now that you have been gone. When you left we were not done. And yet we had to be. Whether or not I had reached bottom it became bottom because there was no more time. Yes, it was terrible. Yes, it was devastating. Yes, it broke my heart. But at least I could feel it. And because it had to, something began to happen at just that moment. I did not know it then, but I know it now when I look back and try to trace something. This is my side of that coin.

Have no doubt that I was protecting you when you left. I remember that very clearly, committing myself to not letting you in to all that I felt about it so that you would not feel worse than you already did and I knew you did. This was a very clear choice made because it was the only way I knew to honor what you did for me. But something else happened too.

“The day you told me and I picked up and left without a word, I knew there was a choice. I could give up or go on.” And I went on. I picked going on. Partly for you and partly for me. I couldn't or didn't ask you what to do, but inwardly I looked around for someone to ask and someone showed up. In retrospect, that was the first time Ms. O showed up for me. Not in Ms. O teacher drag, but in PJs. Cozy so I didn't recognize her then.

I know I used to hate Ms. O, I know I raged at her for appearing to have no needs, so that my needs never got met. I know she was not real to me or for me. Not there for me. You used to try to interest her in me, in the little one. It didn't fly then. I remember feeling this. I have not thought of myself in these terms for a very long time, but if asked I would say now that I am Ms. O. I like her. The little one has a nice little home very deep but not hidden in her heart. Ms. O became my inner mother. Maybe she always was, but she and the little one had a horrible mother-daughter relationship. There's lots of talk about inner child; somewhere around forty-two or so I stumbled across my inner adult. A mother who would always figure out what to do. That's Ms. O for me now. The same one who takes care of many, and the one I can always ask and she has the answer. So in the night after I read your paper I started to think, when did this begin? How?

“But I asked myself what I needed and that part of me showed up with an answer about how to bring Amy outside the room.” When she's gone, no one's going to let you in this office any more. There won't be an office that is Amy's office, but there will be times you need her to be tangible. You will need to find her. Where can she go? And the answer was into the things that I love. I remember very clearly asking myself what I needed and myself answered.

What I remember about that walk was the light and the sparkle on the water. The wind. A friendly wind. Enough was let loose into that wind that I never did lose you. And by letting you see my room, my garden, enough of my strength was let loose, made visible, made real that I never did lose that either. Ms. O became for me an Amy. Not THE Amy, but something like one. An answerer of questions. I trust her as I trusted you then. I can ask her anything and she knows and it's the truth. My next therapist became somehow the witness to this. How strong I was got repeated in her office until it didn't need to be said again.

Were we done? No. Was there more we could have done? Yes. Could the bottom point have been deeper? Most likely. But it was enough.

Was I angry? In the sense that anger for me in those days was immediately directed inward, yep. But something else happened too. The only way to explain it is to tell you a parallel story. One year ago last summer I saw my father again. We emailed and then finally met face to face. First alone and then briefly with my therapist. I had plenty to say and I said it. I was angry. He knew it. He took it. He listened. He cried. And then he wrote me an email and he apologized. That was good. He said he took responsibility for all the bad that happened to me. That was better. And in that moment something happened. Call it alchemy. Or forgiveness. It happened in an instant, but it was real. I see my father now, quite often. My mother died and my father remarried and I like his wife. We talk on the phone several times a week.

There's still a part of me that holds stiff, that doesn't trust all the way through, but I'm sticking around to work that out. Was I angry at you for leaving? Yes. Hugely but briefly.

I knew your weren't choosing to leave me. I knew you were sorry. I have to say it was hard to read that you were relieved as well, but in all honesty there are days in my work to where I think, "Oh, to hell with this, I'm going to quit and write cheap novels." The point is the part of you that was sorry to leave me, to cause me pain, made it possible for me to be angry intensely and then get over it. In that sense there was a forgiveness. Long long ago. If I was angry through these years or still was I would know it because part of me would go "blah" inside (imagine tongue sticking out) when I thought of you.

If we had continued to work together eventually you would have been there for the meeting of Ms. O and the little one. Two things brought them together. Desperation precipitated by your leaving and the start of work where I could use my experience to heal others. A few years after you left I learned a new word: "happy." You weren't there to tell me the name of that feeling, but without "sad," "fearful," "angry," I would have never got to "happy." You weren't there but someone was in here who I could ask and she let me know.

Notes

1 "Louise" is a psuedoynm.
2 Little, Margaret I. Psychotic Anxieties and Containment: A Personal Record of an Analysis With Winnicott (NY: Jason Aronson, 1990), pp. 88-89.
3 Little, p. 86.
4 Little, pp. 44-45.

Tyranny of Niceness: A Psychotherapeutic Challenge

For many people, niceness is the accepted way of being and interacting. In this article I express the view that rather than facilitating psychological and relational health, niceness stands in the way of personal satisfaction and healthy relating. This formulation of niceness in which I outline its inherent conflict with authenticity is useful for working with some people who present for psychotherapy with depression, anxiety, addictions and relationship difficulties, problems not typically associated with the tyranny of niceness.

From Niceness to Authenticity

Personal experiences often provide psychotherapists with insights that are useful in our work with clients. Such is the way my conceptualization of niceness got its start. There was a long period in my life when I accepted that I was a nice person. I had buried the more testy aspects of my personality, at least outside the privacy of my home, in the hope that I would be accepted by everyone I met. It didn't work. After years of this behavior there were still people I was unable to win over with my smile and silence. Worse, I was losing the ability to express my thoughts and feelings. With increased frequency I began to experience anxiety before I spoke.

My silence grew, as did my discomfort with the person I was becoming. There was a black hole in my existence, an interruption of my authenticity that manifested in a real disconnection between what I felt and thought and what I said. And the more I prevented myself from voicing my authentic thoughts and feelings the more I lost opportunities to hone the skills of honest, direct expression delivered in ways that are kind and respectful of the other person. “When I did speak, my words were often fueled by anger—appearing as irritation, sarcasm, impatience—that blanketed a fear of rejection.”

Through self-reflection and observations of others I made the connection between silencing/suppressing my authenticity and being nice. Later, I saw that the connection applied to many of my clients. I saw the same patterns: suppression of thoughts and feelings, deep wishes for acceptance with a concomitant fear of rejection or judgment, anxiety, depression, and erupting frustration. These features were bound together by guilt, shame and fear.

To be nice is to silence aspects of one's authenticity. Niceness means giving up honesty in relationships because entrenched fear of judgment or disapproval overrides the inclination to be forthright. The nice person speaks and acts in ways that he or she believes will guarantee approval or at least not elicit disapproval. “I have learned that degrees of niceness are not possible since silence does not exist in degrees, but this does not mean that rude and disrespectful behavior—which is what one may think is the only substitute for being nice—is acceptable.” On the contrary, openness and honesty delivered with respect and kindness is the healthy alternative to oppressive, silencing niceness.

How did we get to be so nice?

Children are not born nice. Far from it, infants are noisy and demanding. Children are taught to be nice as the way to get along with other people. The essence of niceness training is obedience to authority. The first teachers are parents but the message is supported and promoted by our educational and religious institutions, by our legal and medical systems, and by governments. Thus, niceness supports the status quo. This social organization may facilitate a subdued and acquiescent, if tightly wound, society where people are accepted for the face they present to the world, but compliance does not guarantee contentment, good relationships, empathy for other people or recognition of our individuality.

In the interest of promoting niceness as a primary method of social interaction something is lost, and that is the expression of honest and authentic thoughts and feelings.
“As parents are teaching niceness they do not always realize they are also teaching their children to silence their authentic thoughts and feelings.” In all likelihood they would be appalled at the idea that they were doing such a thing but at a loss to know how to change their methods.

A great deal of the niceness training occurs incidentally (I provide an example of this later in the article) but some is direct, a clear message: be a nice girl, be a good boy, share your toys (even though the children may not understand what it means to share), be seen and not heard, don't cry, what will anyone think? When parents apply the teaching consciously, they regard it as a way of encouraging children to become cooperative adults. Their intentions are the best: they want their offspring to be accepted and since acceptance is a universal desire and need, this seems like a good idea. The difficulty arises in the tension that exists between our wishes both for acceptance and an appreciation of our differentness.

Niceness as a Diagnostic and Therapeutic Tool

At the simplest level of understanding, niceness is a way of silencing ourselves that keeps us out of touch with our authentic thoughts and feelings. When it is engaged as our way of relating to others it prevents us from speaking with openness and honesty, thus silencing our words or hampering our ability to act in our own best interests if that means possible conflict or disapproval. In order to spot the identifying features that signify deep disconnections that are typical of niceness, one must understand the language of niceness. “Niceness is a language of apology and politeness, ubiquitous and therefore familiar, as is any social norm, and it is a powerful deterrent to authentic relating, a mechanism of distancing rather than connection.”

You may have already noticed the language or even the behavioral difficulties of niceness but had no framework for understanding its implications for your clients. Maybe you have a client who can't say "no" or goes overboard to please people even when it is inconvenient or unnecessary. Maybe the client secretly fears the judgments of others and agrees with them rather than expressing an opinion that might be controversial. You might have noticed that in therapy the client seems too compliant, is too careful of your feelings, talks about parents who advocated that children be seen and not heard, or mouths clichés such as "you've got to keep a stiff upper lip." Maybe the client avoids confrontation and defers decision making to others. Your client thinks these concessions are necessary to facilitate relationships. Your client wends his or her way through life feeling burdened by, but compliant with, authority figures. He or she withholds honest expression for fear of offending anyone, then feels like a doormat.

In my private psychotherapy practice I have found that niceness is expressed, as well, through certain common interactions that function as a disguise covering up the inclination for self-silencing of authentic thoughts and feelings. These are the alarm bells that awaken the therapist to the presence of niceness:

  • False altruism: I didn't want to hurt his feelings so I didn't tell him I wanted to break up; I told her the dress looked nice rather than say what I really think.
  • Rationalizations: I knew my opinion wouldn't make a difference anyway; somebody said it better than I could have.
  • Submissiveness: It was easier for me to just do it/agree/accept what was offered or proposed than to protest or disagree or ask for something else.Over- or under-acceptance of responsibility: Doing too much or, in contrast, avoidance.
  • Self-disempowerment: He was good to me most of the time, between beatings, so I couldn't leave.

When these hallmark behaviors appear in therapy it is a signal for you to probe more deeply, to first identify the behaviors such as false altruism that signal a problem, then identify the link between their silence, niceness and the relevant underlying emotions such as fear, shame or guilt. For example, in probing you might ask questions like these:

  • Why was it so important to avoid hurting another person's feelings that you would be dishonest? Was there anything you feared for yourself if you told the truth?
  • Are there events in your past that have led you to believe your opinion would not have made a difference?
  • What do you think would happen if you were to protest?
  • What would happen if you left work for home at the time stated in your job contract?
  • What is the fear that keeps you from leaving your (abusive) relationship?

Delving into stories from the past in which the significant teachers of niceness are unearthed, whether they are specific people or incidents, can lead to a deeper understanding of the ways that particular aspects of relating came to be problematic for the client. A good example is Brad's story.

Learning to be Nice: Brad's Story

Niceness is taught both directly and indirectly. The inadvertent ways it is taught and, thus, the incidental ways it is learned are illustrated by the story of my client Brad.

Brad was in his mid-thirties and working in therapy to resolve a lifetime of pleasing people at great emotional costs to him. Initially, he presented in a deep depression after the woman he felt was the love of his life broke off their relationship. In the course of exploring his past, he told a story from his childhood that had etched itself into his psyche.

One day, when he was five years old, his mother brought him a coloring book as a gift. Brad was thrilled until he opened it up and saw that it was a color-by-number book. “"I don't like this book," he declared."The numbers make the pictures look bad."” Upon hearing his words, his mother became upset, started to cry, and left the room. His father, who had witnessed the scene, scolded him.

"Look what you've done now," the father chided. Horrified, Brad picked up his crayons and began to color furiously. After a time his mother returned to the room.

"Look Mommy," he said, holding his work up for her to see, "I really like this book now."

Brad's devastation at his mother's reaction was heightened by his father's stern chiding. What could this little boy do to calm the powerful feelings of anxiety inside him but express the behavior that was so clearly expected? He colored in the book he did not like hoping that the terrible hurt he had inflicted on his mother would be relieved. He needed his mother and panicked when she left him in tears without reassuring him. He regretted that by telling her what he thought, he had hurt her and chased her out of the room where she was not available to him.

Brad had learned one lesson in being nice: to silence his opinion about gifts he received if he was not happy with them. At a deeper level, he learned that his words might chase away someone he needs and that he must suppress words he really means to keep the person with him. At the time of the incident Brad was too young to know that the problem was his parents', not his, and that his mother's problems determined her reaction to Brad, as did his father's. When Brad came for psychotherapy he still held the belief that he was the one who had been wrong—wrong to say what he really felt about the coloring book. That belief became generalized for Brad and still determined his response to situations that presented any threat of emotional abandonment.

Had Brad's parents been more able, they would have encouraged him to express his preferences without fear of recrimination or losing them. “In psychotherapy, this is the task of the therapist: to encourage the expression of thoughts and feelings without fear of recrimination or loss, and with appropriate, illuminating discussion to replace fear with the assurance that the client will continue to survive even when he or she expresses authentic thoughts and feelings.” This discussion can proceed in a cognitive way, addressing mistaken beliefs of helplessness in adulthood that originated earlier in life, and identifying the resources now available to the client that were not available as a child when the disabling view was learned and entrenched. Of equal importance is the therapist's ability to identify, contain and help dissipate the fear, shame and guilt that will emerge during the discussion.

With Brad I worked on dispelling his belief that his mother cried and left the room solely because of his comment. Even though, as an adult, he understood that his mother was troubled and that his comment was merely a catalyst, his childlike omnipotent belief that he was to blame was resilient and sprang into action unbidden at times of stress. His response was to be sure he did not repeat the type of event that had devastated him, inadvertently creating a new problem. Coupled with this was his enduring guilt at hurting his mother and his shame at needing her so much, replayed in his adult relationships. (This one incident was symbolic of other events and experiences in his life, yet much emotion and pain had crystallized around this event.)

Often the adult manifestations of problems with niceness appear most painfully in intimate relationships. Brad told me about a weekend away with his lover Jane, with whom he began a relationship while in therapy, that describes this well. At her invitation he had flown to Washington where she had business. She had work to do but they planned to spend a full day together visiting the Smithsonian Institute during the weekend. By Sunday, the last day of their three-day weekend, they had spent almost no time together and Jane had another appointment that morning. As she left the hotel room she said she would be back in two hours and they would go then to the Smithsonian.

Brad waited… and waited. He ate breakfast and read a newspaper in the hotel lobby. He ate lunch and continued to wait. Jane called after she'd been away three hours to say she'd be another half-hour.

“The bellman and Brad were beginning to establish a relationship. "Brad," said the bellman,"you are one patient dude."”

An hour later Jane called saying, again, that she would be there in a half-hour. Brad weighed the possibility of going to the museum alone and meeting her there but the logistics seemed too complicated and he continued to wait. When Jane finally arrived there was no possibility of going to the museum because they had only two hours before heading to the airport. Jane was apologetic and Brad was forgiving, but later that week he told her he felt he needed the freedom to see other women. As we explored the feelings he had as he waited for Jane that day, Brad commented,"I've got to stop being Mr. Nice Guy. People just walk all over me. I should have gone on my own when she didn't arrive at the time she originally promised."

Brad was full of anger at Jane but wanted to preserve the relationship and so he covered his anger by being silent. Unfortunately, his behavior did not achieve the intended goal. The relationship ended soon after this incident and Brad never told Jane that he was angry at her failure either to keep her promise to him or let him know that she could not keep her promise. If it had been the first time she had kept him waiting it may not have been so upsetting, but this had been part of the pattern of their relationship. Brad could have released himself from the bondage of waiting had he not been such a"nice guy." It is worth noting that his niceness did not save the relationship. It is also worth noting that Jane made promises, called, and apologized. In this instance, at least, she wore a mask of niceness, too nice to admit she would not be available to him in a misguided attempt to avoid Brad's judgment or be the one to disappoint.

In our discussions of the weekend and other incidents in his life I often referred to the coloring book incident to remind him of the fear that kept him hamstrung. It became clear that a layer of profound anxiety was activated in any situation that even hinted at the possibility of abandonment such as he experienced with his mother that day. I helped him find examples from his experiences that showed he was capable of understanding situations in different ways and that, no longer dependent on his parents for his survival, he had agency and choice to determine his own course in life. “The coloring book incident became a signifier of all that he shrouded with his niceness: the fear, anxiety and guilt, and the utter helplessness he felt when under threat.” It also became a marker by which he could remind himself of the emotional progress he had made as he learned to master difficult situations.

Brad's is a powerful lesson in learning to be compliant with parent/authority figures and the impact on later relationships. But how powerful is niceness with its implicit obedience to external and internalized authority figures, really? Growing from childhood to adulthood we learn the lessons that turn us into people who have lost touch with what it means to live authentic lives and to relate with honesty. As adults, we call up niceness as needed, without conscious effort. We say or do the nice thing as if it were our nature to do so. The behavior—to silence our opinions, protests, and feelings and instead comply with the situational or internalized authority—is automatic.

Authority Pressure to Be Nice: Terry's Story

Terry's story is a good example of just how powerful this cultural silencing into social compliance can be. Terry, 43 years old, reinforced for me the power of the physicians' words. She had been taking antidepressant medication for a long time but felt ambivalent about it. She was also in psychotherapy, had made good progress with her depression and had been working on relationship issues that had troubled her for years. Even though she was feeling much better, the physician who prescribed the medication advised her to continue with it through the winter and then return to him for advice about weaning off, a process that he said must be slow.

Three days before Christmas Terry ran out of the pills and did not renew the prescription. By Christmas Eve she was experiencing symptoms—heart palpitations and anxiety—and on Christmas Day she sought out a pharmacy hoping to get even one pill to carry her through to the next day when her usual pharmacy was open. The pharmacist she found cooperated and gave her a small supply of the medicine. Terry left the store, got into her car and swallowed a pill using saliva to wash it down. It was only halfway down her throat when her symptoms disappeared.

Of course, it is not possible for such a pill to be effective so quickly, and Terry knew that. As we explored the possible reasons for her remarkable recovery she said it was her doctor's words—his cautions about staying on the antidepressants over the winter and weaning off them gradually—that had the greatest impact on her. She believed she should not have disobeyed the doctor and her recovery was a direct result of re-compliance with his instructions, not of taking the pill. This phenomenon suggests that the symptoms were a product of her guilt about her disobedience. A short time after this event Terry decided to stop taking her medication and did so, at a slowed pace. The insight she gained gave her the strength to discuss difficult issues with her husband. “She told him her secret, a secret she held during their entire 15 years of marriage: that she had not wanted to be married but felt pressured to go through with the wedding.” When she risked talking with him about what she really felt, her deep shame and guilt lifted and she was able to begin moving forward in her life. Her marriage remained intact and her relationship with her husband improved. The strain of her long-harbored secret shame was gone and no longer distorted the relationship.

Terry's experience underscores what any good psychotherapist knows: that the words of an authority figure carry a lot of weight, for better or worse, for the people whose lives they touch. Because of their special position in our culture, physicians must speak with care and never underestimate the impact of their words on patients. The same applies to psychologists, psychotherapists, psychiatrists, counselors or anyone working with a vulnerable client. We need to be realistic about the power our positions hold in the minds of the people we treat, positional power that is deeply embedded in our social structure. In full awareness of this aspect of the professional-client relationship, we must practice with caution and compassion.

One of the most important things professionals can do is encourage their clients' search for personal wisdom with words and actions to give them a forum for expression. For this to be possible we must always question the tacit messages we are sending. Clients who have experienced abuse as children are especially vulnerable in therapy and we must pay close attention to their responses to us whether they are compliant or reactive.

Dangers of Niceness: Lisa's Story

Niceness creates difficulties relating in all kinds of relationships and the results can be profound and hurtful. Sometimes it puts people in dangerous situations, especially children.

Lisa, for example, was a 38-year-old professor when she first came to see me. She presented for psychotherapy when her mother's illness and death left her in a deep depression. As we worked through her grief it became clear that its depth had been exacerbated by events that had taken place much earlier. Her mother's death brought her face to face with a problem that had long been buried in the person of her stepfather, who survived her mother. Her parents separated when she was four years old and her mother married another man soon afterwards. This man, Mr. P., was the one she knew as her father because her biological father was not a participant in her life. Her mother and stepfather had had a difficult marriage beset by several separations. During one of these separations, when she was about 12 years old, her stepfather negotiated with her mother to have Lisa stay with him for a weekend at his cabin in the north. Lisa did not hesitate because she had spent some good times with him. Preparing for bed the first night of the weekend she noticed that Mr. P. had made up a bed only in the main bedroom.

"Where am I going to sleep?"she asked him.

"Right here,"came the reply. He patted the bed. Lisa was startled. She was bothered by the thought that she would be sleeping in the same bed with him. Yet Mr. P. was the only father she had known and she trusted him. He had taught her to ride her bicycle, stayed with her when her mother was working, cooked for her, helped her with her homework and sometimes cuddled with her. All the same, she felt uncomfortable with the sleeping arrangement.

As a 12-year-old adolescent, Lisa was obedient to the authorities in her life. That night at the cabin she did what she was taught to do: She remained quiet rather than question Mr. P. or insist on sleeping in another room by herself. She climbed into bed with him despite her feeling that something was not right about the arrangement. That night, he molested her.

When children are being nice they are attempting to keep themselves safe by pleasing others—in most cases the adults or older children in authority. They are remaining obedient, as they have been taught. When children who are most affected by the oppressiveness of niceness find themselves in situations such as Lisa's they are unable to protect themselves because the mechanisms of protection have been distorted by the message of niceness. Their ability to act on the feelings they experience when something seems wrong has been impaired because those feelings have been overridden by messages of propriety. Acting on their own initiative when it is in conflict with the authorities in their lives has never been encouraged. They either fear disciplinary action or, like Brad with his coloring book, are afraid they'll hurt their parents' feelings and risk their disapproval or abandonment.

When we teach children to be nice or, more precisely, “when we teach children to substitute obedience and niceness for their own intuitive wisdom, we render them incapable of trusting their sense of danger in situations where they may need to run from exploiters wearing masks, often personae that mimic niceness.” The sexual abuse that has been exposed in recent years bears horrifying witness to this truth. Boys have been unable to tattle on the helpful and befriending coach at the hockey arena who molested them. Indeed, the word "tattletale" is meant to silence. Hundreds of children have been molested by priests whom they were taught to respect and obey. It is a feat that very few children can accomplish: to protect themselves when the natural inclination to detect danger and act on that inclination has been socialized out of them. This is especially true when danger comes in the form of either a friendly or an authoritarian adult.

For Lisa, exploring widely in the wake of her mother's death led to her disclosure of sexual abuse and the profound impact of niceness in her life. I helped her make links between the abuse and her current relationship, and that which she had never faced, her difficulty accepting that the man she wanted to marry might very well be trustworthy. Previously, she had unnecessarily found many reasons to distance herself from him, including her bereavement. Also, Lisa was often inhibited and, in particular, found directness on a personal level more difficult. She made jokes to cover her anxiety and was quick to tears. Working with her on understanding the impact of her past and its impact on her present life allowed her to be more assertive and direct in standing up for herself and getting her needs met in a healthy way.

Using the Concept of Niceness in Psychotherapy

Many nice people who present themselves in therapy do not know that niceness is a problem. They tell the therapist about their partners, about being anxious or depressed or unable to control their tempers with their spouses, about stress-related health problems, about their addictions to substances or electronic diversions, and they talk about other self-soothing ways that dominate their private lives. Even though they may give lip service to authenticity, they do not realize what it means to be out of touch, to be inauthentic. They are unaware of the behaviors that keep them distanced from their loved ones: the refusal to admit feelings, to ask hard questions or simply be transparent and honest. They do not grasp the depth and breadth of the effect on them of being nice and expecting the niceness of others, that is, being inauthentic and expecting—even tacitly encouraging—the inauthenticity of others.

They have never thought that being nice was anything but beneficial even though from time to time they may blurt out, "I've got to stop being so nice!" They do not recognize the links between niceness and shame, guilt and fear. Niceness, when introduced to them, may seem like a trite concept, but as the layers are explored that misconception is dashed.

As a result of the training to be nice and concomitant lack of training to express difficult thoughts and feelings, people suppress and endure, often with serious impact on their health and relationships. If they release the resulting pressure it is often away from the eyes of those with whom they feel most vulnerable. For some this will mean hiding true feelings from a romantic partner. For others it may mean pleasing an employer beyond reasonable expectations. Or it may mean shallow relationships with parents, siblings, or friends. They may release the resulting tension in intermittent angry explosions, and abrupt shifts of mood or sarcasm with deleterious impact on relationships and self-esteem.

In hindsight Brad knew what he had to do that day in Washington, to avoid falling into the trap of silencing his needs. He had to act on his sense of what was right in the situation, which was to go ahead to the museum on his own. Instead, he silenced himself by failing to act. As it happens so often, in that moment he was emotionally the child again, caught up in his fear that he would lose someone important to him. As we talked it was clear he knew what he could have done, to simply tell Jane he would go on his own if she was delayed and meet him there if she could. I asked what prevented him from acting in his own best interests, but he was mystified. I reminded him of the words he had uttered several times in sessions: "I've got to stop being Mr. Nice Guy." He'd spoken the words but thrown away the insight, like an actor flubbing his best lines. He was, at that time, too nice to act from his inner wisdom so he silenced his wishes and his intuitive sense of what was right for him. But that didn't stop the anger that continued to bubble and fester beneath the surface compliance. His anger was more acceptable than the shame he endured for feeling so needy and helpless that day.

Brad's dilemma illuminates the aspect of character development that must be supported in therapy if clients are to give up niceness and become more authentic in their relationships. They must be helped to find their own wisdom and then supported to accept, trust and act on it despite their fears of disapproval, rejection or abandonment, or the guilt and self-hatred they have accumulated as they have yielded their lives to niceness. They must be helped through the intense anxiety that accompanies new, risk-taking behavior that touches on a deep human fear—isolation.

“One way to assist clients' progress is to identify an occasion when they did act on their inner wisdom, and ask them to describe the event in full detail, focusing on the emotions that accompanied it.” They will very likely talk about anxiety and fear occurring at the onset of the event and a sense of calm or even slight euphoria at its completion. These emotions and the progress through them can be conceptualized as a memory template to be applied to new situations in order to mitigate regression into niceness and facilitate movement into more authentic behavior. The therapist can encourage the client to remember the event and the progress through it when he or she feels paralyzed in new, threatening situations, cautioning that the hoped-for change may require many attempts.

Nice children grow into adults who share a serious deficit—no language for the honest expression of thought in a way that others can receive. As a small test, try helping a client express an honest reaction to a partner's request for a comment on a less-than-flattering new garment. More often than not, I have watched as beads of sweat form, hands flail or are wrung, bodies shift in the chair and gasps of frustration emanate from their wordless mouths, capped with the comment, "This is really hard." “Near-panic sets in at the thought of being honest because they cannot perceive of a way of being honest yet kind.” Beneath the altruistic responses, they often fear being seen as too critical or rude. Emotionally they feel they are destroying someone close to them, whose presence they need if only to maintain their own sense of being accepted. Although everyone makes judgments, large and small all the time, people feel they are "judging" and that they are disentitled to do so because they fear being isolated and judged themselves.

A great deal of anxiety accompanies attempts to express unsayable but honest thoughts and feelings. This is to be expected, so the psychotherapist can be prepared for it and offer empathic support for any attempt the client makes. The therapist can normalize the anxiety as something that occurs any time we undertake to change some familiar part of ourselves, especially when change involves interactions with other people or the forfeiting of some comfort-giving, though debilitating, behavior.

The therapist might ask the client for examples when the client was able to be successful with a new behavior. Extrapolating from those, the therapist can offer and explore examples of sentences that might be used, as if the client is learning a new language, checking to be sure the client can imagine himself saying the words. Together therapist and client can create a language of honesty and authenticity that is delivered with kindness. So, rather than say "that's nice" because he doesn't want to say what he thinks—that his partner looks fat in her new dress—the client can try a new approach. He might think about a conversation he's overheard in which someone else was honestly expressing a critique that was well received. He can attempt to understand the tone that was used and the phrasing. He may practice saying, with a kind tone, things like "I think the dress is a good color for you (if it is) but the cut is not so flattering."

As part of this process, the client must be helped to get a clear understanding of his own feelings, to explore his own reactions to critiques, his feelings of attraction to his partner especially if they have changed, and any other feelings he may bring to such a situation. Ultimately, he may not say exactly what the partner expects to hear but she will know she can depend on him to say what he means (and it may validate what she secretly thinks). Through this process in therapy he will understand much better the extent to which he has silenced himself and the fear and anxiety that have contributed to the silence, and he will become more comfortable putting authentic words into his own mouth.

In summary, the psychotherapist uses the following types of interventions, bearing in mind the need to be a gentle but appropriately challenging and authentic presence.

  • Notice the alarm behaviors alerting to the presence of niceness and its silencing.
  • Explore feelings that underlie the silencing.
  • Delve into the history to identify the events and messages that promoted niceness.
  • Find optional ways of relating that express an authentic position. Using specific situations, identify client strengths and previous success stories.
  • Practice new ways—new language—for expressing the authentic position.

Niceness Fails to Live Up to its Reputation

Children are dependent on adults in their lives for their survival. They have been taught that pleasing adults is important and that displeasing adults brings unpleasant consequences. As therapists we can help clients who retain and act from this fear to learn to say "no," something that is often discouraged in childhood. With the therapist's help, clients can learn to honor their own internal—not internalized and feared—authority. Sometimes that means clients will need support to say "no" to the therapist.

“Niceness fails to live up to its reputation. It does not make relationships easier, does not guarantee a stamp of approval nor improve the quality of life.” On the contrary, niceness often causes confusion in relationships because of the dishonesty implicit in suppressing one's authentic thoughts and feelings. Being nice increases one's sense of alienation from oneself, by far the harshest consequence of all. Niceness detracts from one's quality of life by contributing to health and addiction problems that are an outgrowth of stressful internal conflicts. In contrast, any difficulties that occur in achieving the essential honesty of authentic acts and speech are overridden by the internal calm that prevails in its wake.

At the same time, moving out of niceness into authenticity can provoke anxiety, especially before the first benefits have been savored. Attempts by clients to accomplish this change are to be honored. It is a pleasure to witness them moving on in their lives as they stop second-guessing themselves, as they rid themselves of debilitating fear, shame and guilt, and start living openly and with dignity.

When Psychotherapists become Nice!

Finally, I have a caveat. Therapists may realize that they are nice and that niceness is adaptive in their work. It is a requirement of the work that we exercise appropriate caution in making our responses and we are accustomed to withholding our thoughts and opinions as we weigh what is best for our clients. It may also be the case that if a therapist is too cautious it will be perceived that holding back is a good thing to do despite our words to the contrary. Therapists and clients can benefit if the therapist, acting authentically, can be spontaneous and expressive within appropriate therapeutic boundaries.

Never underestimate the impact of the cultural silencing that is niceness on the well-being of your clients. Be aware that its tentacles move insidiously into health and relationships and squeeze out authenticity. The acceptance and encouragement of niceness as a vehicle for relating renders it more destructive than you might imagine. Be aware and resist perpetuating it as you support clients to relate in honest, authentic and meaningful ways that will serve their relationships and themselves well. 

The Man with the Beautiful Voice

A Welcome Diversion

Similarly, if, when I return the call, a person begins to tell me her life story seconds after she asks for an appointment, I know this is someone whose need is great and who has, what we call in the trade, boundary problems. If someone asks what kind of therapy I do and no matter how many questions I answer still has one more, I expect to meet a patient who’s untrusting and controlling.

Bruce Marins’s richly timbred voice on my answering machine caught and held my attention immediately, but it took several rounds of phone tag before we spoke one evening. Meanwhile, the messages he left, his wit, when on the third try we still hadn’t connected, suggested to me a man of considerable humor and intellect, one who was confident of his ability to charm and knew how to use his beautiful voice as an instrument of seduction.

I was intrigued. At the time I had what felt like more than my fair share of patients who came each week to do what I think of as storytelling, a repetitive recitation of their frustrations, sometimes a new story, sometimes an old one, but always the same themes and conflicts, which they seemed incapable of resolving. Everyone has such patients, and each of us finds her own way to deal with them, some more easily than others. But I’ve never met a therapist who doesn’t know what it’s like to look at the clock thinking surely this hour will soon be over, only to find that there are still forty minutes left. One colleague recently confided, “In my mind I split the hour up into ten-minute segments and try not to look at the clock until I’m pretty sure ten minutes have gone by.”

“Does it work?”

She replied with a laugh, “Only if the purpose is to find out just how long ten minutes can be.”

It’s in this context that Bruce Marins presented himself as a welcome diversion. From our telephone contacts, I assumed that I’d find myself in the presence of a man with a fairly heavy dose of narcissism, but I’d worked well with such men and looked forward to the challenge. I also knew that I’d have to watch my countertransference, which already was evident in the way he’d insinuated himself into my thoughts. My warning to myself notwithstanding, I found myself with images of a tall, dark, handsome man, someone whose appearance would match his marvelous voice, as I waited with a frisson of pleasant anticipation for the bell to signal his arrival for his first appointment.

When I opened the door that connects my office to the waiting room, I wasn’t conscious of the habitual welcoming smile on my face. I only realized it was there after I felt it slip away when I beheld the man before me and heard the same melodious voice say, “I wiped that smile off your face pretty fast, didn’t I?” Only this time the seduction was gone, replaced by an edge of mockery.

Me About Yourself

He laughed, an angry challenging sound, and said, “I see this is going to be fun.”

“Why don’t we go in and get started, then,” I said.

“Seems to me we already have,” he replied.

Another point for you, I thought, but I just smiled and said, “Yes, you’re right, so let’s sit down and be comfortable.”

With a nod he moved toward the door, his head bent, his shoulders hunched over the crutches with which he pulled his body along, each step of his withered legs seeming to be an exercise in will. As I watched his slow progress, I was struck by the sharp contrast between the breadth of his well-muscled upper torso and the puny look of the lower half of his body. Finally, his crutches laid carefully on the floor beside him, he sank into the chair I indicated and scanned my face intently as if to see what he could read there.

We sat quietly taking each other’s measure. He held my gaze with an enigmatic smile, and I knew that if I didn’t speak first we would end up in a power struggle that was a lose-lose proposition for the both of us. So I plunged in. “I’m sure you remember the question I asked when we were in the waiting room, and I wonder if you’d care to answer it now?”

“Don’t you want to know something about me first? Every other shrink I’ve ever seen started with some mealymouthed ‘Tell me about yourself.’”

I said I certainly did need to know a lot about him if we were to work together, but that he was right when he said we’d already started something, and it might be best if we tried to finish that first.

“So what do you think we started?” he asked belligerently.

“Well, as I said, I think you set me up to be surprised by your handicap…”

He interrupted sharply, “Dammit, don’t use euphemisms with me. I’m a cripple. Do you think you can say the word, or are we going to have to dance around it so you don’t have to be uncomfortable? Anyway, what would you have wanted me to do, announce on the phone that I’m a fucking cripple so you could get used to it? That’s your problem, not mine.”

He’s right, I thought; what could he have done? One answer, of course, was that he didn’t have to set out deliberately to seduce me. But then that, too, is a part of him, just as his crippled body, and there’s no reason why that part should have gone into hiding. The reality I wasn’t eager to look at, however, is that his refusal to hide his infirmity behind the usual polite civilities forced me into a confrontation with my discomfort in his presence, which until then I’d been able to displace into anger at his behavior.

I’d never had such close contact with a person who was so severely disabled. I was afraid I wouldn’t have the right words, or maybe even the right thoughts. But even as I explained my discomfort to myself, I knew it was more than that. In truth, my feelings were something akin to those I’ve had when seeing a homeless person on the street, a kind of fascination and revulsion at the same time—a sense of outrage that, in the wealthiest nation in the world, people are forced to live on the street, coupled with a wish to turn away, to block it all out of consciousness so as not to have to deal with the morass of guilt, anger, and helplessness the sight stirs.

Talk about countertransference issues to try a therapist’s soul. “As I looked into Bruce’s eyes, I knew that this therapy would be an ongoing confrontation with myself—yet another moment when I was reminded that the therapeutic enterprise can be as much a learning experience for the therapist as for the patient.”

The Ongoing Confrontation

I wasn’t without sympathy for the man who sat before me. But, angry as it made me then, I would learn that Bruce was right in rejecting that sympathy as patronizing, a way of dealing with my own guilt and discomfort and a way of categorizing him, a disabled person, someone to feel sorry for because he isn’t like the rest of us, a man but not quite a man.

Examining these feelings, however, was for another time. In the moment I had to respond. So after wrestling with myself for a few seconds, I replied, “You’re right, that is my problem, and I’ll deal with it. But how we handle this fact of your life and whether we allow it to dominate our relationship and disable our work is our problem.”

His body language softened and some of the tension seeped out of the room. “At least you didn’t throw it all back into my lap.”

I laughed. “I guess that means you have some hope for me.”

He relented, grudgingly allowed as how I deserved an answer to my question, and acknowledged that he had set me up. “It was important to me to see how you’d react because I get so damn much phoniness coming my way, people pretending they don’t see what they see. I didn’t want to have to go through that with another shrink who’s always tiptoeing around. But if you don’t mind, right now I’d like to talk about something else.”

I thanked him for his honesty and asked what was on his mind, assuming that some immediately pressing problem had brought him into therapy. But in fact there was no “something else.” “I don’t mean that he didn’t have problems and conflicts that needed resolution, but so many of them stemmed from his being crippled that this became the central fact of his life and of the therapy we would do together.”

Bruce Marins had the misfortune of lying in his mother’s womb at the time when doctors discovered that Thalidomide, a relatively new drug in this country then, would cure the morning sickness that plagues so many women, his mother included, in the early months of their pregnancy. Eight months after his mother swallowed the pills her doctor prescribed, Bruce was born with both legs deformed, one of the many thousands of children who would become known collectively as Thalidomide babies, some whose bodies were disfigured so grotesquely that any semblance of a normal life was forever closed to them.

Every parent experiences some measure of irrational guilt (What did I do wrong?) when a child is born with even a small defect. But the parents of Thalidomide babies, especially their mothers, bear a special burden of guilt and blame because they know what went wrong and are stuck with the should have, would have, could have scenario that nearly inevitably follows such a tragedy. No matter how often a woman may tell herself that she was following doctor’s orders, she’ll probably never fully escape the fact that she put the pills in her mouth.

Over the years I’ve treated some families of these children and have seen firsthand the psychological devastation the tragedy wrought. Fathers blaming mothers, mothers blaming themselves; couples unable to get past the guilt, blame, shame, and rage. I’ve seen a father turn away from a child because “looking at her hurts too much”; another whose rage at his wife for taking the pills, and at God for allowing his son to live, split the family asunder. I’ve worked with mothers who were so oppressed by guilt they contemplated suicide, and others so depressed that all light had seeped from their world. But Bruce was my first personal contact with an adult who was the victim of that notorious pill.

When I was able to get past my initial response, I saw a man whose dark curly hair, worn fashionably long and well coiffed, made an appealing frame for his strong, square, olive-complexioned face. Intelligence radiated from his blue-green eyes, which were so startlingly bright that I thought they must be the product of colored contact lenses. Not the beautiful prince of my imagination, but a man who could have been very attractive if anger didn’t mark every line of his face. He was impeccably dressed in an expensive charcoal-colored suit, light blue shirt, its sleeves fastened by silver cuff links, and a lightly patterned deep red tie that matched the gemstone adorning the links. “Everything about his appearance bespoke success, yet he oozed an air of anger that made me wonder how he got there.”

From the time he was a small child, he reported, he had been good with both words and images and spent many hours making up stories and drawing pictures to illustrate them. In adulthood, he got started in the advertising business because it was the best job offered to him after college. Now, fourteen years later, he was the West Coast creative director of a well-known ad agency. He still occasionally tried his hand at writing something more serious than advertising copy, but mostly he spent his very limited spare time painting, usually portraits. I listened carefully and admiringly as he laid out both his talents and his successes, and finally remarked in what I thought was a warmly supportive way, “That’s quite a list of accomplishments.”

“Why,” he snapped back instantly, “because I’m a cripple?”

I sighed. “Is there anything I might have said that wouldn’t have generated that response?”

“Not until I’m certain that’s not the unspoken message.”

Was it? My immediate impulse was to say, “No, that’s not it; I’m genuinely impressed.”

Which may have been true. But when I recalled my internal response when I first saw him, I knew it wasn’t the only truth.

I didn’t have to figure it out right then because we were close to the end of the hour and, as is my wont in a first session, I suggested that we stop and talk about how he felt about what went on and whether he wanted to come back. He wasn’t sure, he said; he thought I was “smart enough” but was uncertain whether I had “the stomach” for dealing with him.

“Why, because you’re crippled?”

“Okay, so you proved you can say the word, but it doesn’t tell me a damn thing about whether I can trust you. So the answer is yes, because I’m a cripple and also because I’m a hard-ass son of a bitch.”

I sighed, thinking how attractive his quick wit and keen intelligence could have made him if he didn’t use them like a sword. And I wondered for a moment whether I really wanted to take up the challenge he presented. I already had a couple of patients who were expert at denigrating everything I said and finding inventive ways to defeat our work. Did I really need another one? But in spite of his truculence, something about him caught and held me.

Who knows what mix of emotion and chemistry went into my response to him? Maybe it was, as he feared, pity; maybe it was respect for his struggle; maybe he touched the place inside me that had been a lonely child; maybe I identified with his anger and understood, as I had learned in my own life, that it was partly motivated by fear that a disabling depression lurked underneath it; maybe I sensed that below the surface lived a man I could really like; maybe I knew he had something to teach me about myself; maybe all of the above and more I couldn’t know then. I knew only that I didn’t want him to walk away. “I said as gently as I knew how, “That’s certainly the side you’ve shown me today, but I also see a man who’s dug himself into a hole and covered it up with rage so neither he nor anyone else would have to face his vulnerabilities.””

At this his arm flung out in a gesture as if to wave me away, then he leaned down, grabbed his crutches, pulled himself upright, and made his painful way out of the room, calling back over his shoulder, “I’ll call you.”

I watched him leave, feeling let down and angry with myself. I wasn’t surprised that he was upset, but I had bet that he was strong enough so that whatever anxiety my observation raised would be offset by the reassurance I offered that he was seen and understood. Clearly I’d lost the bet.

Was it too much, too soon? So much of therapy is in the timing, and I know I have a tendency sometimes to move too fast. The same comment or interpretation that’s helpful when a patient is ready can be met with resistance when he’s not. A psychiatrist I saw as a patient a few years ago remarked, when we were ending his therapy, that he had learned a lot about psychotherapy from our work together and that he was much more likely to respond openly to a patient than he had been before. But there were times, he said, when he thought I “shoot from the hip,” and although he could see that it worked most of the time, he wondered about the times when it must have been “disastrous.”

I thought about his words after Bruce left and wondered if this was one of those disasters he foresaw. I hated the thought. It wasn’t just my ego at stake, although I certainly didn’t feel good to think I’d blundered. I was hooked by the challenge Bruce presented, by what I could learn from him, and by my long-standing interest in resilience. I was, at the time, in the middle of a research project in which I was interviewing adults who had transcended seriously difficult childhoods. I had by then learned a good deal about what enables some people to surmount early traumatic experiences while others are felled by them. I was impressed with how Bruce had managed to overcome his infirmity in the professional world, and my clinical intuition told me he was ready to take the next step into his internal world. All I had to do was find the key. But first he had to decide to come back, and there was nothing to do now but wait.

Three days later the wait was over. Bruce left a message saying he wanted another appointment but would prefer not to wait a week. Fortunately I had a cancellation the next day and called back to offer him the hour.

Behind the Not-so-quiet Rage

I laughed, pleased with this indication of self-awareness, but before I could say anything, he leaned forward, his eyes holding mine, and explained that he’d seen three or four therapists before, never for more than a few visits, because none of them was “much of a brain” and “even when they talked, they never had anything interesting to say.” After checking me out he decided I was “smart enough to be worth a try.” Nothing about our first hour, nothing about his feelings when he fled from the room. All in all, not a ringing endorsement, but a beginning.

In the weeks and months that followed we examined his nighttime dreams, his daytime fantasies, his life in the present, and his past experiences in the family and the world outside. His was a middle-class family, financially comfortable enough to, as he said bitterly, “give their kids everything they needed and more, I mean, everything but what a kid really needs.” He had one brother, Pete, three years younger than he, a child who was conceived “to make up for them having me. How the hell can anybody expect a little kid to do that?” he asked, his voice dripping with rancor, as he reflected on Pete’s lifetime of failure.

His father, he recalled, “could never really look at me,” and he was convinced that he wished Bruce had died so he wouldn’t have to deal with having a crippled son. “Of his mother, he said, “As far back as I can remember, she’d look at me with blank eyes, like she couldn’t stand to really see me."”

As angry as he was with his father, it was easier than with his mother because “at least I knew what he wanted: a son who would be the athlete he could be proud of. But my mother just walked around like in a fog. You never knew what the hell would make it okay for her, and believe me, I tried. For years I tried.” He told of the time when he was twelve and spent days writing and illustrating a story, which he made into a book to give to his mother on Mother’s Day. “I thought for sure it would make her happy for a minute, but all she did was look at it and cry.”

Despite his efforts to speak calmly, his pain and sadness enveloped both of us, and I had to struggle to keep my feelings in check and hold back tears. Not that I think there’s anything wrong with allowing a patient to see me as human in that way, but because I knew that Bruce would see any display of feeling as born in pity rather than in empathy and identity, and it would bring down his wrath. So I made what I thought was an obvious comment. “You spent so much of your life trying to make it okay for your mother, it’s no wonder you were worried about having to take care of me.”

He looked startled, his face reddening as he fought to contain the feelings that rose up in him. He wasn’t ready yet to let me see the hurt too clearly, nor could he risk a confrontation with the needy child inside him. What if he let the guard down and found out I was no different from the rest? So he threw me a sidewise glance and said gruffly, “Yeah, I said you were smart.”

I noted, not for the first time, how much being smart meant to Bruce, how important it was to him to believe I was not just smart but smarter than others. It’s not unusual for patients, especially those who lean toward narcissism, to need to believe their therapist is the smartest of all. But it was something deeper for Bruce who, it was clear from the outset, was saved from disaster by the gifts with which he was born. And being smart was high among them. Like other children who transcend early difficulties, he made the most of what he had, using his artistic talent and intelligence to gain success and admiration, first in school then on the job where, unlike in his family, some people at least could see beyond his crippled body.

But none of his successes cooled his angry distrust of the people around him. When a child grows up, as Bruce did, with parents who see him as a cross to bear, he has two options. The most dysfunctional one is to keep knocking on the door that’s closed to him, to make winning their love and approval the cornerstone of his childhood. The other is to make an emotional separation from them long before any child should have to do so and try to compensate with whatever positive experiences and relationships he can find. It’s Bruce’s strength that he did the latter. But to accomplish this difficult psychological task, he bottled up his need for companionship, love, warmth, another’s touch, and corked it with his anger.

I had myself felt the heat of his anger, and I knew how hard it was to deal with his relentless testing. “Time and again, I came up against the barriers he erected to frustrate any approach I made, and I often marveled at how skillful he was at keeping me at bay.” I was certain, therefore, that, consciously or not, he had engineered the failure of at least some of his relationships. His rageful, distrusting behavior, designed to protect himself from the pain of rejection, practically assured the very outcome he feared.

His wariness reached its height around women, with whom he had no relationships at all, neither friendship nor sex. Twice, once in college and once soon after he got his first job, he met a woman who “seemed different.” But he saw deceit, pity, and rejection wherever he turned and the budding friendships ended “in disaster.” In his thirty-six years his only non-commercial sexual encounter was with a high school classmate who, he said, “came on to me so she could brag about doing it with the crip.” Since then, when he needed sexual release and masturbation didn’t satisfy, he sought out a prostitute who did what he wanted “with no pity and no questions asked.”

His relationships weren’t much better with men than with women. He became friendly with a couple of men at college with whom he studied occasionally, but soon bowed out of any social activities because he “felt like a drag on them.” On the job he did somewhat better than in his personal life, largely because he had no choice but to find some way to relate amicably, or at least not disruptively. He managed dealing with workmates by keeping a cool distance and by, he said with a caustic jab at himself, “my rapier wit.” He liked his boss, an older man who recognized and nourished his talent and whom he described as “the closest thing to a father I’ll ever have.” But despite the obvious attachment, except for the social events required by the business, he never allowed the relationship to go beyond the office door. When I asked why, he replied sourly, “Work’s one thing, but nobody wants a cripple hanging around and spoiling the party.”

By then, we had been working together for well over a year. I can’t say we’d established a close rapport, but he wasn’t always angry, he no longer denigrated everything I said, and we could occasionally engage in the kind of wordless communication that can happen when therapist and patient have developed a working alliance. So I said nothing, letting him listen to the echoes of his own words, hoping he’d hear them as I had.

A Turning Point

I shrugged, wordlessly. Finally, he shouted, “You still don’t get it, do you? You’re sitting there with that smug look thinking it’s my problem, but dammit, it’s not that way. You can be sure he wouldn’t want me marrying his daughter.”

It was hard to stay cool, hard not to respond with something like “How can you be so sure when you never gave him a chance?” But a voice inside stepped in with a warning that kept me silent.

“What?” he shouted.

I shrugged again, eyebrows raised, palms turned up.

“Christ, you know I hate it when you do that shrink number. What the hell do you want from me?” His hands raked his hair, his face a mask of the most profound weary pain I’d ever seen.

Inside I was in turmoil. I wanted to move to his side, to take his hand, hold his head to my breast, offer him the comfort and love I knew he needed. Outside I sat quietly, cautioning myself to wait to see where he would go. Finally, his eyes brimming with unshed tears, he spoke in a voice quieter and gentler than I’d ever before heard from him. “I know what you want; I don’t need you to say the words. But it’s so damn hard to give people that chance you’re always talking about. I did that with them [referring to his parents] over and over, and look what it got me. How do I know who to trust?”

It was a critical moment in his therapy, and I had a decision to make. It seemed to me that the time was right, that he wouldn’t retreat from a move, that he was ready for a deeper, more intimate relationship with me than he’d ever had with anyone in his life. But I couldn’t be sure whether it was intuition speaking to me or wishful thinking. I wanted to reach out to him as I would to anyone in such pain, to let him know I was moved by the emotional depth of his response. But what if I was wrong? What if it was too much, too soon? What if I awakened his fear and drove him back into his cave?

I can’t say I made a reasoned choice, but then I don’t think reason is what counts at a time like that. It’s that indefinable something we call clinical intuition that guides every good therapist in these decisive junctures in a therapy. And mine told me to do what felt right and hope it wasn’t one of those shoot-from-the-hip moments.

I can’t say I made a reasoned choice, but then I don’t think reason is what counts at a time like that. It’s that indefinable something we call clinical intuition that guides every good therapist in these decisive junctures in a therapy. And mine told me to do what felt right and hope it wasn’t one of those shoot-from-the-hip moments.I moved to the hassock that separated our two chairs, reached over, took his hand in both of mine, and said softly, “You knew enough to trust me. Why wouldn’t you be able to do that again?”

He looked away but left his hand in place, then, struggling to keep his voice steady, replied, “You’re paid to be trustworthy.”

“Really?” I asked, holding up our joined hands to his view. “Am I paid to do this, too?”

He squeezed my hand and said, “Sorry,” a word I wasn’t sure I’d ever hear him speak.

This was the beginning. Until now we had nibbled around the edges of his psyche. I saw some change in him, largely in the easier way he could relate to me. On the outside, however, his world remained as closed and isolated as ever. But this hour was a turning point. For the first time in his adult life he moved from emotional isolation to intimacy from which he wasn’t impelled to flee. For the first time he believed that someone could see his need and meet it.

Early in our work I had asked to see Bruce’s paintings, partly because I’ve always been interested in art and artists, partly because I thought it might help form a bond between us, and partly because I thought I’d learn something about him that wouldn’t be so easily accessible with words. But he was steadfast in his refusal. “I don’t show them to anyone; I paint them for myself.”

A few weeks after the session in which I’d held his hand and some of his defenses had crumbled, he arrived with a canvas, which he carried pinned against his body as he maneuvered it and himself into the room. “You wanted to see one of my paintings,” he said with no further explanation.

I took it somewhat apprehensively, knowing that this was a gift of trust and that much hung on how I received it. I turned the canvas to me carefully and stood awestruck by its power. It was a portrait of a woman, every line of her body speaking to an agonizingly profound dejection. When I could finally speak, I said exactly what I thought and hoped it was the right thing. “I can’t say it’s easy to look at, but it’s one of the most powerful portraits I’ve ever seen and an absolutely marvelous painting.”

From them on, his paintings became an integral part of the therapy. Every few weeks he brought another one in. Finally, after watching his struggle to get himself and the painting into the office, I asked if he’d like me to drive by his house and pick up a few at a time.

“You’d do that? Isn’t it against the rules?”

I laughed. “If you don’t tell, I won’t.”

It was another defining moment for him, a statement that I cared enough about him and what was clearly his heart’s work to go out of my way to see it. For the next several months we examined the portraits together, appreciated them, criticized them, analyzed them for what they could tell him about himself, his fears, his desires. Far more than his dreams, they held up a mirror to his internal life. His palette was somber, the occasional flash of red or orange serving only to highlight the darkness of the canvas.

Every one of the portraits was stunning, his enormous talent apparent in each stroke of his brush; all were frightening in his vision of his subjects. Over and over he painted his parents, looking, it seemed, for something he could never find. The women were all in some painfully depressive posture; the men cold, hard, often turned away as if to avert their eyes from what they didn’t want to see. But it was his self-portraits that were the most striking: gnarled, bent, crippled images of an ugly man whose eyes were filled with angry self-loathing.

It was chilling to see his vision of himself, to realize that this was not far off from what I had seen when we first met. Now, two-plus years later, these portraits no longer looked like the man I knew. Was it I who had changed? Or did he really look different? We hadn’t talked about his being crippled for a long time, and I was somewhat anxious about raising the issue now, fearful perhaps that I’d find out that I still hadn’t passed the test. Finally, I gulped one day and took the plunge. “These don’t look like you anymore, and I wonder whether you think it’s because I’ve changed, you have, or we both have?”

It was chilling to see his vision of himself, to realize that this was not far off from what I had seen when we first met. Now, two-plus years later, these portraits no longer looked like the man I knew. Was it I who had changed? Or did he really look different?He thought about that for a minute, then in a voice so tender it overwhelmed me, “I don’t know about me, but I know you have.” Then, returning to the more bantering style that marked our relationship, “Not a cringe in sight, not even one you thought I wouldn’t notice.”

“Thank you,” I replied, not trying to hide how deeply his words moved me. “But you haven’t looked very hard, either inside yourself or in the mirror, if you think you haven’t changed, too.”

A few months later he brought in a new piece, a self-portrait of a man who was crippled but not ugly, the first painting that actually resembled him. Even the colors were different, the same tones but lighter hues, reflecting a brighter, more hopeful view of the world.

We stood looking at it together, tears streaking both our faces. I turned and hugged him; he wrapped his arms, still holding his crutches, around me and held on tight. We didn’t need to say it; we knew our work was done. We continued to see each other for several more months while we processed where we had come from and where we were now. But except for saying goodbye, the active work of therapy was over.

I don’t mean he became a different person. “Despite the public press and our wish that we could do it, therapy doesn’t transform anyone. We leave therapy changed only in that we have a better understanding of who we are and how to deal with the troubled and troubling parts of ourselves.” But knowing, itself, important though it may be, is not enough to enable us to live life more productively. It’s what we do with the knowledge, how we manage to live with the scars life inevitably leaves, that counts. For no matter how long we’re in therapy, no matter how much we learn there, old scars will bleed when picked and new issues will arise to push us back into old responses. A successful therapy leaves us enabled to deal with both in a new and more fruitful way.

So it was with Bruce Marins, who left therapy as physically crippled as he was on the day he walked in. He still faced a world that turned away; his parents still couldn’t look at him without pain and guilt; the wounds of a lifetime, although scarred over, could still bleed when scratched. But he no longer allowed those realities to define him and control his life. With a new ability to trust, he could let go of some of the anger and let some people come close.

Three years after our last session, Bruce called to tell me there would be a showing of his work at a San Francisco gallery. A year after that I was invited to his wedding.

Clinical Wisdom: A Psychoanalyst Learns from his Mistakes

Identifying and trying to learn from one’s own clinical mistakes is often a painful experience, but can be an invaluable source of clinical wisdom. Here, I will share with you several significant mistakes that I have made over the 40 years that I have been practicing and teaching psychotherapy and psychoanalysis which have been extremely helpful to me and my supervisees. I hope that my self-disclosures and self-discoveries will evoke in you an active reflection on your own work and provide a source of professional growth.

My Two Most Difficult Patients

This was the beginning of the end of our relationship. His demeaning, hostile sarcasm, already intense, increased; there were fewer moments of his working on his real concerns and increased attacks on me. “John said, as he had frequently over the two year course of treatment, that the therapy was not helping, that I was totally incompetent and that he was going to quit therapy with me.” He responded to my attempts at exploration with depreciation of me and threats to leave therapy. But this time he meant it. He quit. He did not show for his next appointment nor answer my several phone calls. I felt both guilty and much relieved at the same time!

Mary, a single teacher in her mid-forties, was referred to me by a female colleague who had treated her for several years and now believed that Mary needed to work with a male therapist because she had never succeeded in having any long-term relationships with men, despite her longing for this. Though the first few years of our relationship were stormy, with her rages alternating with moderate depression, externalization and fluctuating mistrust of me, Mary made encouraging progress. She and I were both pleased that she developed a relationship with a real boyfriend for the first time, leading her to experience sex for the first time in her life, while at the same time she was becoming less argumentative with her fellow teachers. Sometime later, an event took place that was the beginning of the catastrophic end of our therapy. Her brother and his wife gave birth to a baby, which thrilled her parents. She became furious with her brother for what she experienced as a total loss in the rivalry for her parents’ attention and love. Through a friend who knew me, she found out that I also had a young child. Her hostile and at times rageful feelings toward her brother generalized to me. This morphed into a psychotic-like transference in which I not only had a young child like her brother but she said that I started to look like him.

When I questioned her about this, she said that my gestures and sitting posture were just like her “shitty” brother. My efforts at compassionate communication for her parental loss, reality testing and transference interpretation over several months had little effect upon Mary, leaving me frustrated and seriously discouraged. Mary quit therapy within a few months, saying that the therapy was no longer helping and that she would never see another therapist. Again I felt relief, but questioned—What could I have done differently? Could I have helped her continue her previous progress?

So, what did I learn from these two experiences? Obviously with John I needed to find a second hour, but I did not because he would not try to understand his almost constant demeaning of me and therapy, which I could not tolerate. With Mary I learned two lessons. One, psychotic-like transferences, when not resolved, can lead to the destruction of even a moderately successful therapy. Secondly, I needed help with my intense frustration and discouragement. However, the salient lesson with both patients was that when working with extremely difficult patients, careful self-reflection and occasional consultation are often not enough. I really needed continuous consultation or supervision to help both with the challenging technical issues and my uncomfortable countertransference. “My false pride that I should not need such regular consultation interfered with the possibility of breaking through the impasse in both therapies.” Since I had been supervising therapists and analysts, I felt that I should not need regular consultation. And I believe that, unfortunately, such a position is implicitly supported in some analytic institutes and other post-graduate training centers.

But if I had had a weekly or bi-weekly consultant, what could have been different? For one, the consultant might have helped me understand the dynamic issues and specific approaches that I was not seeing. Secondly, he could have assisted me with my powerful countertransferences through understanding and compassionate support. Would the outcome have been different? I am not sure, but I would have felt more confident that I did all I could for my patient and in my role as a psychotherapist.

Benevolent Values Can Interfere with Effective Treatment

How do I understand this premature termination? I believe my value of loving parents raising healthy children interfered with my being attuned with Kathy’s needs. Later I learned that Kathy was so determined not to have children that she underwent a tubal ligation. “Even our so-called benevolent values may be incongruent with our patients’ values and can mess up the treatment.” In retrospect, I see that in my eagerness to encourage a lovely young woman to carry out my value to become a mother, I responded to my wishes and lost track of Kathy’s needs not to become a mother. I certainly should not have pursued this issue the second time around.

Over-identification with Our Own Therapists

Therefore, it is not surprising that as a neophyte analyst I identified, and in fact over-identified, with both of them. David was a wonderful empathic listener who infrequently questioned and interpreted. I experienced him as a warm compassionate presence, genuinely interested in me. This analysis helped me immeasurably to discover and accept the deeper shadow aspects of myself, as well as resolve some minor symptoms. So, I too became a very good listener who seldom interpreted with my patients. A supervisor pointed out that, unlike me, some of my patients needed a more active use of inquiry and interpretation in addition to careful listening. She was certainly right. While we can learn from our own personal analysis or therapy, we need to be aware that what is good for us is not always best for others.

Becca, my group therapist, by contrast actively intervened and was emotionally very expressive. She also believed in few traditional limits in group therapy, such as the rule against socializing outside the group. This group experience which included extra-group socializing was very beneficial to me and to most of the high-functioning group members. Therefore, with my own therapy groups I used Becca’s agreement that it was okay to socialize outside of the group. Within a few years of conducting and supervising groups, I saw that permission to socialize was detrimental for some groups. For example, some socializing leads to major enactments outside the group which are never discussed in the group because of such reasons as shame, wanting to keep a secret relationship or fear of retaliation from group members or therapists. Gradually, I developed my own way of structuring outside group contact, which fit me and my patient populations better.

In more formal psychoanalytic terms, I had initially introjected David and Becca whole, but gradually was able to differentiate from them, keeping the good part objects (that which fit me) and eliminating that which did not fit me or my patients. “In everyday terms, I became truer to the way I work best and to the unique needs of my patients and groups.” I learned some extremely valuable lessons from my two analysts. However, as I developed more confidence in myself I was able to let go of the idealized internalization of my analysts and start to become the analyst and therapist who fit my character and my patients.

Collaboration with Other Analysts Treating the Same Patient

Much to my surprise, Oscar’s individual analyst said to me, “You group therapists are strange ducks. . . . you don’t understand that such talk between us will interfere with the treatment. Only if there is a suicidal or homicidal emergency should we contact each other.” Unfortunately, I agreed to treat Oscar under this restriction. The group, a good composition for Oscar, enabled him to play out a central dynamic underlying his chronic friction with men and his inability to sustain a meaningful relationship with a woman. He frequently attacked me and two of the other three men in the group, while placating and sweet-talking the three women in the group. Then one of those felicitous accidents happened. One session, all three women were absent, leaving Oscar alone with me and the three other male group members. Oscar’s behavior changed dramatically in this session. He not only did not attack us but became friendly to me and the other men. All of us, including Oscar, noticed this marked change. The following week when two of the women returned, Oscar reverted to his typical attack on men and his seduction of the women. When this remarkable behavioral change was brought to his attention, he strongly denied it. Group members suggested that Oscar talk to his individual analyst about the discrepancy between the group’s and his perception of his behavior when the women were and were not present in the group, but he refused, insisting that there was nothing different to talk about.

Oscar had enacted a salient dynamic—a dynamic that was hidden from his awareness because it was too threatening to be known. Yet this enactment was ripe with wonderful therapeutic possibilities. With Oscar unwilling to discuss this with his individual analyst, I told him that I would alert his analyst that something crucial was happening with Oscar in the group making it vital for us to talk. Oscar said, “Go ahead. My analyst will never believe this group bullshit anyway!” However, since Oscar was neither suicidal nor homicidal, his analyst refused to talk with me. Not surprisingly Oscar dropped out of the group within a short time. I believe that had his individual analyst been willing to talk with me, we would have had a good opportunity to cooperatively work with Oscar in depth on this crucial dynamic.

Sheila, a psychiatric resident in individual analysis, wanted group treatment because she was starting to recognize that she was rejecting decent eligible men as lovers and potential mates. Within a couple of months the group and I realized that Sheila was looking down upon the group members, especially the men, from an “I-am-superior-to-you” position. Believing this was salient to her reason for group treatment and being concerned that she might flee from this group of “inferiors,” I told Sheila that with her permission, I was going to talk to her individual analyst. After her analyst did not return several of my calls, I informed Sheila, and she responded that her analyst must have had a good reason, but she refused to elaborate. Shortly thereafter Sheila dropped out of the group.

What lessons did I learn from the two frustrating experiences cited above? Over the last decades I have made it my practice not to accept any referral for group or individual therapy when there is another therapist treating the same patient, unless there is agreement from the other therapist that we can collaborate if and when needed. In my experience our collaborative contacts are usually few and far between, but occasionally crucial. It is the trust between the two professionals that is vital. I have found almost all patients agreeable to therapist collaboration, and in fact are often pleased with this arrangement. Many patients experience this as genuine interest in them. In the rare case when the patient is reluctant for me to speak with their other therapist, I try to understand what this means for the patient. Typically our work on understanding the patient’s reluctance has led to a solution that benefits the therapy and the patient. In one situation with a suspicious patient who protested, I told him I would be willing to talk with his therapist on the phone while the patent was present—thus allowing him to hear every word and tone that I expressed. Hearing this willingness on my part, the patient said that he did not need to be present, but he wanted me to tell him what I said and what was said to me, which I was quite willing to do. In another unusual situation where the other therapist said communication between us would damage therapy, the patient insisted that we two therapists cooperate. She said that she would never go to a second physician if he would not collaborate with her present doctor.

Becoming Wiser

What does this mean to me? “I believe that mistakes and solutions are unique to each practitioner and interact uniquely with each particular patient.”

Over the years I have come to know myself better both as a human being and as a therapist, and what works better for my patients with our intersubjective uniqueness. With experience, analysts and therapists are ideally true to our own uniqueness and our particular interersubjective fit with individuals, couples or groups that we are trying to help. This to me is a vital component of clinical wisdom. I know of a few analysts of varying theoretical perspectives who adhere so closely to their cherished theoretical and technical ideas that they miss what I would consider crucial aspects of their relationships with their patients. These analysts may need such adherence to theory and practice for them to feel coherent, secure and competent. Another type of wisdom would be for those therapists and analysts to understand how this view affects their practice and work.

Dogen and Michelangelo

Dogen, considered one of the greatest Buddhist teachers, stated in the thirteenth century, “My life has been a continuous series of mistakes.” After decades of experience, I continue to make mistakes and try to learn from them. As Michelangelo said at the age 87, “I am still learning.” I certainly am too.

Notes

1 A briefer version of this paper was originally presented by Dr. Rabin at the Annual Colloquium of the Group Department of the Postgraduate Center for Mental Health, New York City on December 7, 2006.

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Work Is Life: A Psychologist Looks at Identity and Work in America

“Sure, I love my family, but nothing will ever take the place of my job!”

This was our first meeting and "Patti" was sitting in my psychotherapy office explaining to me that her life was over. She felt her boss had betrayed her; she had left work on disability; she no longer had an identity.

I wasn't surprised. Over the course of the past seven years I have met with dozens of women and men who seek out psychotherapy after feeling betrayed at the workplace. For them, work isn't what they do for money; nor is it an important part of their lives which provides them with a sense of purpose. Work is their life. And when it ends, they are devastated, feeling as though they are aliens or exiles from a society that increasingly values commitment to and identification with work over all else.

The new work order—spearheaded by the high-tech companies of Silicon Valley—is creating total company cultures that offer engagement, a shared sense of purpose, exhilaration, and interpersonal connection that is increasingly absent in people's families and communities outside the workplace. As divorce, geographic mobility, social fragmentation and the decline of neighborhood, community and civic participation grow, more and more of us are turning to the workplace for the satisfaction of needs formerly filled by family, friends and neighbors.

We Are Family

This trend is hard to resist. As workplaces become campuses offering gyms, free food, parties, sports leagues, chess clubs, and massage therapy, it is not surprising that more of us like spending long hours at work. In the absence of countervailing institutions that sustain and protect us, or that provide a vision of how life should be led and for what purpose, corporations offer a sense of belonging and personal identity. Company logos and slogans that surround employees and pervade our culture often are all people can identity with, claim as their own. Supervisors become parental figures to dote on and please; coworkers become one's community, and the corporation feeds our unmet longings with countless exhortations that "We Are A Team!"; "We're Number One!"; "We Are Fam-i-ly!"

The catch in all of this, of course, is that the people who control "the family" can lay us off, change our jobs, fire our supervisors, or make things so unpleasant that "divorce" feels preferable to the ongoing emotional abuse we often feel at our workplaces. And if we invest all of our energies, time and emotional needs in our jobs, there is often little to fall back on when work ends.

"Patti" knows this all too well. As a 39-year-old black mother of two who lives with her boyfriend, a high school math teacher, Patti spent much of her early life on welfare. But in spite of her modest beginnings, she has been able to complete college, buy a home, and work as a bookkeeper in a growing biotechnology firm. This position has been her favorite. The company emphasizes "team spirit," and her boss, a vice president, repeatedly talks about the company being "one big family." “The company's unofficial anthem is “We Are Family” by Sister Sledge, a song that is played at company picnics and parties.”

Patti's boss, Bill, always struck her as an extremely ethical, fair-minded man whom she often turned to for advice about problems at work. Although she did not believe Bill favored her, she did think he respected her and always was extremely laudatory in his evaluations of her work. Because she admired Bill and trusted his judgment so completely, Patti made him the executor of her will. "He sort of reminded me of Marcus Welby. When he was around, you knew things were gonna be okay."

After three years working at this company, a new computer system to handle accounts receivable and accounts payable was introduced. Patti found the new system difficult to work with and believed it was much worse than the previous system. She voiced her concerns to Bill and was surprised that rather than welcoming the feedback, he seemed annoyed. Gradually her boss's calm, benevolent mien changed. He became more critical and sharp. As Bill's impatience with Patti grew, her ability to work with the new computer system floundered. She often stayed after work trying to make up for how long it took her to process accounts on the new system during working hours. She increasingly got headaches and began seeing her doctor for what was later diagnosed as irritable bowel syndrome. When Bill asked her for a report she had not completed, she states that she felt herself "sinking. It was like my identity was being taken away. I could tell he thought I was a fuck-up."

Finally, Bill came into Patti's office one day clutching a handful of her billing statements, his face red with rage. "Are you the person for this job? Are you the person for this job?" she reports his shouting at her. He threw the papers at her and stormed out the door. ““That was it; I knew that was it. It was over.”” Patti has some amnesia for what happened next, but is able to recount that she found herself at a hospital emergency room that evening complaining of numbness and tingling in her arm.

Patti's doctor immediately took her off work and referred her to me for psychological assessment. When I met with her, Patti was clinically depressed, with slow mentation, dulled to the activity around her. "I have no identity. My work was everything and I blew it. It's over." During the next few months, Patti grew distant from both her boyfriend and children. Although she repeatedly acknowledged that her family was worried about her and she felt some guilt in connection to this, she insisted her "other family, my work family is gone." Bill had been her main conduit to that "other family," and his unhappiness with her seemed to sever the tie that bound her to the larger community of the company family. Patti recounted that her anxiety about learning the new computer system had been fueled by her belief that if she were unable to master it, her employment with the company would end. "And that would be it. No more having a reason to get up in the morning." Curiously in this equation Patti's children, boyfriend, or recent purchase of a home did not seem to beckon her out of bed.

“They Made Me What I Am!”

On the surface, my new patient, "Lionel," appears quite different from Patti. A tall, lean man of Irish descent with a wife of 20 years, a step-son and a home in the suburbs, Lionel has worked for one of the oldest Silicon Valley corporations for 27 years. His is a true American success story: rising from mailroom worker to manager in marketing, Lionel has ridden the wave of the high tech revolution. Because he has never worked for any other employer, his emotional dependence on his job transcends any feeling he has had for another person. "They made me what I am. Without their faith in me I'd probably still be working minimum wage. “I love my wife, but I owe my company everything.”"

At his workplace, every employee, including the CEO, occupies a certain level on a scale of 1 to 100. Within each level, an employee is ranked on a 1-to-5 scale according to job performance. Lionel became obsessed with levels and rankings. He was a "59"; his supervisor was a "63," and Lionel hadn't seen any advancement in three years. Therefore he continually ruminated about how to advance his career "to leave the fifties." When a new job within another division became available, Lionel applied. Although he admits he wasn't truly qualified for the job, he pressured the division that was hiring to give him the position. "It was my ticket. I'd automatically be a 63."

Once in his new job, Lionel was overwhelmed. He didn't understand the operating system and was too afraid to ask questions, fearing that those who had hired him would immediately see him as what he thought himself to be, a fraud. He struggled, developed chronic neck and shoulder pain, and found himself increasingly irritable with his family. For the first time in his life he exhibited "road rage" as he sat in his car, commuting two hours each way to the corporation that "made him who he was." Three months into his agony, Lionel was sitting in a team meeting with his new supervisor, a man 15 years his junior with an MBA from a prestigious business school. The supervisor stared at Lionel for what seemed to be an eternity and then, according to Lionel, asked him for a report in a voice dripping with sarcasm. Lionel began to hyperventilate, had to leave the room, and rushed to the company nursing station in a full-blown panic attack.

Lionel is now off work on short-term disability. He feels he cannot return to his workplace because he is humiliated. Lionel believes there is no other job for him despite having an outstanding resume. The rage at his new supervisor whom Lionel feels shamed by is palpable. Lionel states that he can identify with men who go to the workplace and kill supervisors and coworkers out of feelings of betrayal: "I know I'd never do anything like that so you don't have to worry that you have some loon on your hands, but I get it. I never could understand that kind of thing before this happened to me. . . . What? You're just suppose to sit there and take it?"

Despite significant differences in gender and race, Patti and Lionel share the feeling that severance from the world of work is exile from life itself. “They both looked to their workplaces for feelings of emotional security, self-esteem, and belonging.” In return for providing what these employees experienced as self-sustaining environments, Patti's and Lionel's employers benefited enormously from having workers who worshipped their companies, worked long hours, and would do virtually any task in order to elicit their supervisors' approval.

A Radical Notion: Work is Not Life

Emotional recovery for Patti, Lionel and others like them is not easy. While Americans are devoting increasing amounts of time and energy to their work, no social institutions, frameworks of meaning, or even words exist for a "divorce" from a highly valued job. The empathy that is commonly available and considered socially acceptable when a romantic relationship fails is considered inappropriate if not absurd when applied to a work relationship. “The “divorced” employee often has little more than the advice columns in newspaper business sections to turn to, and these routinely tout the virtues of “flexibility,” “marketability,” and treating oneself “as a business.”” The overriding sentiment is simply "get on with it; send out those resumes; only the weak or psychologically impaired could remain emotionally attached to a job."

To counter this disregard I began running a group therapy program seven years ago for clients who feel they have been betrayed at work. The groups function to support and normalize people's experiences, underscore how jobs alone cannot provide identity, and demonstrate how boundaries and limits must be set so that employers do not become pseudo-parents to be pleased.

Ultimately the task for any participant in group is to find connection, esteem, identity and a feeling of aliveness outside of work even while satisfying some of these needs on the job. "Putting all of one's eggs in one basket"—investing in one sphere of life to the exclusion of all others—diminishes what a human being can be and portends emotional devastation if that one sphere fails. Admittedly this task is an arduous one given the sorry state of family and community life for many Americans. But to cede our emotional lives to corporations whose ultimate goal is always profit and power is an act with unparalled political and psychological consequences.

The betrayed workers I have listened to for the past seven years have tried to do what so many of us in this country seem to be attempting to achieve on a daily basis, that is, satisfy unmet emotional needs through our jobs. Perhaps these women and men tried a little too hard, had a surfeit of needs, too few internal resources to begin with, untempered naivete, too great a belief in the American dream of success and salvation through work. But they are on a continuum with most of us who choose longer hours, take fewer vacations, and wake up and go to sleep at night thinking about our jobs. If under the rubric of "group therapy" these exiles from the labor force can learn that there are other ways of connecting with people who are not coworkers or supervisors, I believe I will have accomplished something. “I will have helped them see that work is not life—surprisingly an increasingly radical notion at the beginning of the new millennium.”